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Hillary clinton - Communist

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"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you,"
Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're
probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take
things away from you on behalf of the common good."
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I opened with that statement to prove that she is a communist. I have nothing against a female president but i would not vote for Hillary Clinton. I fear that even if she has horrid ideas and plans that she will win frankly because she is a female. Even if bush did a crappy job just think of what awaits. The us is the future china. Face it first its going to be universal healthcare. Then restricted internet access. Then we will come out with games called like "cakemaker" because its all that is allowed.

Just think of the possibilities.

If you disagree then argue your claim here.
 
Trying to end the second worst ( possibly the worst ) financial crisis in modern history does not make you a communist, just think where you would be if the crisis had continued.
 
xxthebeastxx said:
Having vaguely Communist ideas doesn't make someone Communist. Also, who's to say she'll ever be President?
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Someone agrees. But i doubt she'll ever be president.
 
Well I think no woman should be president. Not because they're a woman. They're just as smart as men are. But because women run off of emotions.
 
PublicityFtF said:
Who said being a Communist is wrong/bad?
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You can't be shitting me?

Hmm, because every Communistic society in existence has either fallen or has citizens wishing for it to do so. Look at Cuba and China, I mean, I know you can't be so dumb as to actually mean a statement like that.

You were obviously joking, you're forgiven.
 
Finn said:
There's no need to be so vitriolic. I'm not defending the ideology (I think it is unfeasible), but is it really appropriate for you to claim Communism has truly been given a chance in practice?
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Yes, communism has been given almost too many chances. Look at the state of Russia, China, North Korea... all of them are pretty messed up. I mean, East Germans hated it so much they tore down the damn Berlin Wall. People from eastern bloc countries who have immigrated to America (because Communism was so bad) are mindfucked as to why America is slowly turning to it. Sounds scary and unfeasible but you got to look at the people Obama is surrounding himself with, all very radical, very real communist/socialist thinkers. But that's another story.

Consider it harsh, brutal, whatever Finn, but if you have to beat sense into somebody than so be it. May sound good on paper (not really) but it just can't be carried out at all and people are indeed stupid if they can't see it.
 
DeepSnow said:
Yes, communism has been given almost too many chances. Look at the state of Russia, China, North Korea... all of them are pretty messed up. I mean, East Germans hated it so much they tore down the damn Berlin Wall. People from eastern bloc countries who have immigrated to America (because Communism was so bad) are mindfucked as to why America is slowly turning to it. Sounds scary and unfeasible but you got to look at the people Obama is surrounding himself with, all very radical, very real communist/socialist thinkers. But that's another story.

Consider it harsh, brutal, whatever Finn, but if you have to beat sense into somebody than so be it. May sound good on paper (not really) but it just can't be carried out at all and people are indeed stupid if they can't see it.
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The downfalls of Communism lie in the hands of the leader, correct? The structure of Communism causes not downfall, but countries surrounding, wishing not to help but to hurt, help invoke the wraith of farther, less-neighboring countries by requesting the disassociation and removal of the Communist country from privileges, e.g., not trading because the country favors a different manor of managing an economy. Sadly, the fact of the matter boils down to Communism never having an opportunity to shine or prove itself.

Edit: I am not, nor have ever been, a Communist, but I feel there is a value arguing for either side. Saying this, however, does not mean I will argue without the full intent to win. Also, I feel I will be addressed by Sythe. (Call it intuition.)
 
PublicityFtF said:
The downfalls of Communism lie in the hands of the leader, correct? The structure of Communism causes not downfall, but countries surrounding, wishing not to help but to hurt, help invoke the wraith of farther, less-neighboring countries by requesting the disassociation and removal of the Communist country from privileges, e.g., not trading because the country favors a different manor of managing an economy. Sadly, the fact of the matter boils down to Communism never having an opportunity to shine or prove itself.

Edit: I am not, nor have ever been, a Communist, but I feel there is a value arguing for either side. Saying this, however, does not mean I will argue without the full intent to win. Also, I feel I will be addressed by Sythe. (Call it intuition.)
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The downfall of communism is the fact that joint ownership of everything by everybody is impossible.
 
DeepSnow said:
I mean, East Germans hated it so much they tore down the damn Berlin Wall. People from eastern bloc countries who have immigrated to America (because Communism was so bad) are mindfucked as to why America is slowly turning to it. Sounds scary and unfeasible but you got to look at the people Obama is surrounding himself with, all very radical, very real communist/socialist thinkers. But that's another story.
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What in the world would give you that notion. Why would they be "mindfucked"? If they've experienced communism before, then they are more aware of the current state of the united states and what its apparently turning into, no? I think most of the people from the eastern bloc are voting against anything that has any communist touch to it. And trust me i have personal experience, since my whole family is from the eastern bloc and most of them have had an experience with communism.


Personally I think most immigrants usually have more knowledge about politics and governments, since they country they came from has a longer history then the United States and they have more experience.


I believe its the Americans that have lived here there whole lives and who's ancestors have lived here, have no experience with a corrupt governments, are a bit spoiled and have always lived a perfect life were everything always end up good are the ones who are "mindfucked" and take in all the propaganda in the media are the ones who are screwing up this country.
 
DeepSnow said:
You can't be shitting me?

Hmm, because every Communistic society in existence has either fallen or has citizens wishing for it to do so. Look at Cuba and China, I mean, I know you can't be so dumb as to actually mean a statement like that.

You were obviously joking, you're forgiven.
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China, the world's largest and most productive economy.
 
Angelmax said:
You cannot be serious. Women have exactly the same capacity for governance, you're only embarrassing yourself with this absurd outdated rubbish.
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I believe this section is for debating. Don't call my opinion "rubbish" Unless you have something to back it up. I don't wish to debate with you on ANY thread. Because all you ever do is ask question after question, and never make your stand on a situation.
 
Britain provides its population with universal healthcare, therefore we must be communist because David Cameron obviously has a secret agenda?
 
dieseL x said:
Britain provides its population with universal healthcare, therefore we must be communist because David Cameron obviously has a secret agenda?
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I would so universal/free health care is socialist.
 
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