George floyd

[FireZ]

Thoughts?

also why wasnt funeral open casket?

 

[Bryan]

Didn't deserve what he got, and the protests are great and all, but the looting etc is way too far. And likely not open casket due to damage to the neck if I had to guess.

 

[Ardy]

Didn't deserve what he got, and the protests are great and all, but the looting etc is way too far. And likely not open casket due to damage to the neck if I had to guess.

I'd guess the closed casket thing may have had to do with the autopsy. Alternatively it could even have been family preference. I doubt the knee mark honestly is even noticeable.

In regards to the racism protests and riots I honestly believe they're accomplishing little to nothing. People that are racist or have racist idealizations are not going to be affected or changed by the situation. Arguably, it may even make things worse for people who were on the fence.

I don't have any real strong opinions on the situation, but I lean towards more of this being a blame game and people not willing to accept responsibility for their actions. For whatever reason people have associated black people with poverty and other socioeconomic situations rather than seeing them for what they are.

Painting police, fire, ems, government with the same brush is arguably the same thing these people are 'protesting'. Prejudice.

 

[Rainbow]

he was a porn star (BAD LINK IM TAKING OUT HERE)

His personal life literally has 0 to do with anything?

He deserved nothing of what he got. The arresting officers deserve to be arrested and charged like they are. They overstepped their boundaries by a country mile. In the beginning, I didn't understand the rioting and protesting that much. But a lot of friends have shown me so much that shows the police brutality going on here in America. I 100% understand how it is and why it's going on now. George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tamir Rice, and so many more don't deserve what they got. His death is sad but I'm glad of all the change it's bringing.

 

[Sypherz]

In regards to the racism protests and riots I honestly believe they're accomplishing little to nothing. People that are racist or have racist idealizations are not going to be affected or changed by the situation. Arguably, it may even make things worse for people who were on the fence.

I don't have any real strong opinions on the situation, but I lean towards more of this being a blame game and people not willing to accept responsibility for their actions. For whatever reason people have associated black people with poverty and other socioeconomic situations rather than seeing them for what they are.

Painting police, fire, ems, government with the same brush is arguably the same thing these people are 'protesting'. Prejudice.

The pragmatic response is dangerous in this situation. I used to thing along the same lines when I was younger and I get where you're coming from, but what you're saying here is fundamentally flawed. I don't get into arguments with people about this stuff for a reason, but a few points:

A lot has been already accomplished by the protestors which can be quickly Googled, and pressure continues.

Trying to make people less racist is not the goal here, rather than taking a pretty disproportional amount of power from racists.

What does this have to do with being a blame game? Someone was literally murdered for no reason, and that was just the tipping point of 60+ years (since the last protests) of black people being disproportionately killed by police (~300% compared to white).

Peaceful and smaller-scale protest has been attempted and has had little effect on policy.

Fire, emt, and similar govt. officials are not being targeted by these protests. The "not all cops are the same" argument doesn't work anymore because there's a serious amount of abuse going on. This might be manageable for DMV employees maybe, but police have a serious amount of power and even 20% being abusive is a serious flaw in our policing system; and I fear that the number is much much much higher than that. Yes it sucks for the good ones but hopefully the good ones will also be able to acknowledge the reason that this is happening.

 

[MAGZ]

Didn't deserve what he got, and the protests are great and all, but the looting etc is way too far. And likely not open casket due to damage to the neck if I had to guess.

Agree 100% with Bryan. Protests are one thing and riots are another.. I feel like a lot of people don’t understand that.

I couldn’t tell you however why his was closed casket. I believe he died from asphyxia so a broken neck or disfigured body part shouldn’t be the reason.

 

[Ardy]

A lot has been already accomplished by the protestors which can be quickly Googled, and pressure continues.

You have a point, I do recognize that some changes are being made. Do I agree with some of the changes? No. Do I acknowledge they have been made in recognition of these protests? Yes.

Trying to make people less racist is not the goal here, rather than taking a pretty disproportional amount of power from racists.

It's not going to happen without disbanding entire police forces which I guarantee will make things 100x worse. Working alongside police is something I do on a regular basis and I can guarantee the people that are the overwhelming majority are in fact good people who mean well and do great things for the communities they serve. The overwhelming issue with social media and the current state of SJW is that we make huge ordeals out of minuscule statistics. In this case the justice system (assuming they're proved guilty) has done exactly what it's supposed to do. I recognize this isn't the case all of the time, but in this case it was.

What does this have to do with being a blame game? Someone was literally murdered for no reason, and that was just the tipping point of 60+ years (since the last protests) of black people being disproportionately killed by police (~300% compared to white).

I mentioned the blame game not specifically at the George Floyd case, but more the overall mindset of people of all ethnicity who just don't want to accept that there are consequences for poor actions. I mean George Floyd wasn't a textbook person of character, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt where had gone some years without arrest and he should not have died.

Jeez, if I see a white guy is shot by police because he was high and doing something stupid I'm like what a stupid fuck. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Throwing statistics around about "disproportionately killed by police" is also easily skewed when you consider that statistics show that African Americans are incarcerated 5 times the rate of which whites and other ethnic groups are which would suggest that they are found guilty more often than their counterparts. Let alone how many people are stopped so their police interactions would be significantly higher than their counterparts.

I really question how much of this is race related, and how much of it actually is just people who are born into socio demographic situations that are left to fend for themselves and unfortunately it seems as though it's a "grow up in the hood, stay in the hood" kind of ordeal.

I honestly have sympathy for some of these people because I think they're trapped in situations that are very difficult to escape if you don't have some sort of outside influence or positive motivation in your life.

I mean, I go on my xbox occasionally and I hear the kids talking and literally shake my head.

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Even just use the n-word as an example - when I grew up and was in school the only two things you called people were:

retarded
faggot

Both words are basically abolished in my area and I have to catch myself and show restraint in situations that I previously wouldn't.

Meanwhile the n-word is still floating around on media, music, youtube, online video games, on a regular basis while it being 'so serious'.

sorry for rambling. been drinking lol

Fire, emt, and similar govt. officials are not being targeted by these protests. The "not all cops are the same" argument doesn't work anymore because there's a serious amount of abuse going on. This might be manageable for DMV employees maybe, but police have a serious amount of power and even 20% being abusive is a serious flaw in our policing system; and I fear that the number is much much much higher than that. Yes it sucks for the good ones but hopefully the good ones will also be able to acknowledge the reason that this is happening.

I brought up the fire, ems, and government because they're current being attacked by rioters/protesters as we type these replies.

 

[Sypherz]

@Ardy I appreciate the response and I read it but like I prefaced one my comment I’m not tryna have a discussion or argument or anything, because I’d have to research and source a bunch of shit I don’t have the energy for. I will say that although the stat I think your suggestion that this disproportionate boils down to income rather than race is very wrong, at least in the US, and I imagine some basic research could clear that up.

 

[Ardy]

@Ardy I appreciate the response and I read it but like I prefaced one my comment I’m not tryna have a discussion or argument or anything, because I’d have to research and source a bunch of shit I don’t have the energy for. I will say that although the stat I think your suggestion that this disproportionate boils down to income rather than race is very wrong, at least in the US, and I imagine some basic research could clear that up.

I'm not necessarily really basing on income by itself because that's another whole can of worms, but more as a whole sociology-economic situation that many have found themselves trapped in and unable to address. I'm not arguing that their situation isn't fucked up, but to argue that the situation that many African American communities find themselves in is caused solely by racism is outlandish. There are unfortunate events that happen in the United States, but are by in large statistically minute.

I appreciate your opinion though, Sypherz.

I saw an interesting meme today that I liked which is removing race from the argument and just talking about police brutality as a whole.

"Instead of: 'innocent black man killed by white cop' try 'innocent man killed by cop'"

Plenty of white unarmed men and women are killed yearly too (I believe the stat is actually worse than that of the African American counterparts but don't quote me on it, I'd have to find it) and many of them may have been caused by police brutality. I hate this 'us vs them' thing when realistically, we all matter. I don't want anyone killed at the hands of a bad cop, bad doctor, bad construction worker.

 

[Drakage]

Think the way he died was tragic and the officer(s) in question should have been charged with murder as that's what it was.

I don't agree with the looting and rioting at all, yes 1 man lost his life but now 1000s of innocent people are having businesses and property destroyed by those doing it, don't get what they're trying to prove by doing so.

I'm not racist and its not just about black lives all lives are as equally as important regardless of where you're from or your views.

I'm from the uk it's not so bad here everyone is treat the same.

 

[Johnson]

Obviously, at the end, his death just was not worth it. He was accused of counterfeit without any evidence to even support an arrest.
I do like how this is bringing much more attention and awareness towards racism.

 

[HedGold]

Absolutely nobody deserves to be strangled face down at the side of the road.

Take away your feelings towards the man and perhaps focus on his 6 year old daughter. Whatever the crime, whatever the history, that innocent little girl will have to no doubt relive for the rest of her life the footage of her father being murdered.

I remember growing up and walking to school with my neighbour and some older kids from another school shouted across the street "look at those nigger lips". My friend turned to me and shrugged his shoulders, we were 10 years old.

By 11 i'd endured a fair amount of comments about how i looked, people making monkey sounds at me in public places - I was so versed in the meaning of racism and what it felt like to be publically embarrassed that I no longer had emotional feelings towards a white persons comments. Instead, I focused on my family and my friends who had endured the same.

Now i'm old. My wife who is white and my children who are mixed race have a right not to be publically humiliated for no reason by thugs who don't see what that does to a person inside. That's why Floyd George has changed the WORLD. I for one will be standing in every damn protest I can, peacefully, so my children can remember me as someone who tried to make the world fair for them.

 

[HedGold]

Think the way he died was tragic and the officer(s) in question should have been charged with murder as that's what it was.

I don't agree with the looting and rioting at all, yes 1 man lost his life but now 1000s of innocent people are having businesses and property destroyed by those doing it, don't get what they're trying to prove by doing so.

I'm not racist and its not just about black lives all lives are as equally as important regardless of where you're from or your views.

I'm from the uk it's not so bad here everyone is treat the same.

By simple definition All Lives Matter cannot exist without Black Lives Mattering first.

This is sadly a mindset people seem to have, you need to realise that white men and black men all have struggles, but black men are also opressed by the colour of their skin. Remove that, then we are equal men.

 

[Drakage]

Guess it depends where you are from, if you're looking at this from an American standpoint then definitely, but theres plenty of places you can go and be racially abused for being white.

It's hard to call really if I saw a coloured cop kill a white man in that way I dont think it would be classed as race related, regardless any man to die in the way he did is completely wrong.

 

[Ardy]

By simple definition All Lives Matter cannot exist without Black Lives Mattering first.

This is sadly a mindset people seem to have, you need to realise that white men and black men all have struggles, but black men are also opressed by the colour of their skin. Remove that, then we are equal men.

I'm sorry you went through what you did as a child, nobody should have to deal with that.

I think there's a point where we have to stop living in the past and start looking forward. I have friend who has a child that is black and he didn't even realize he was different than the rest of his family (rest of family is white) until he was 10. It goes to show that we have come such a long way, and continually bringing up past events rather than celebrating our current successes holds us back.

I look at people for how they present, not with prejudice. I hope that at some point there will be a time that we are all complete equals on all fronts. I hope racism and reverse racism are a thing of the past.

 

[HedGold]

I'm sorry you went through what you did as a child, nobody should have to deal with that.

I think there's a point where we have to stop living in the past and start looking forward. I have friend who has a child that is black and he didn't even realize he was different than the rest of his family (rest of family is white) until he was 10. It goes to show that we have come such a long way, and continually bringing up past events rather than celebrating our current successes holds us back.

I look at people for how they present, not with prejudice. I hope that at some point there will be a time that we are all complete equals on all fronts. I hope racism and reverse racism are a thing of the past.

It still happens to this day. That particular child is lucky, the majority are not. It's not living in the past when it is still going on.

 

[HedGold]

It's unfair for me to say all white people are racist. They're not. But black people get opressed daily for the colour of their skin.

 

[Johnson]

It's unfair for me to say all white people are racist. They're not. But black people get opressed daily for the colour of their skin.

Ive seen so many white people going to the protests in the US- probably changing so many colored peoples perspective that not ALL whites are racist.

 

[Big Bully]

Ive seen so many white people going to the protests in the US- probably changing so many colored peoples perspective that not ALL whites are racist.

Correct, it was nice to see white people alongside us. I made lots of new friends over the couple times I've been to the protests.

 

[Ardy]

It still happens to this day. That particular child is lucky, the majority are not. It's not living in the past when it is still going on.

It's unfair for me to say all white people are racist. They're not. But black people get opressed daily for the colour of their skin.

Forgive me because I live in a different country (Canada) and I recognize that our country seems to be further ahead than the states below us but can you give me some examples of the oppression people are facing today?

As an example - growing up there were numerous times throughout my schooling that we heard about how much oppression can affect our community but it was something I seldom saw. (I can't remember a time where I saw oppression, or even be racist without getting jumped.)

I remember at the age of 18 looking into the idea of becoming a police, lone behold I saw on the back of a police car that they were hiring for federal police. I quickly looked into it and found that they were only hiring anyone that isn't white. As an 18 year old at the time who had 0 prejudice against people of other ethnicities, there I was being punished or being deprived because of my skin color.

I recognize the goal in their hiring, but it's counterproductive when really the end goal is to see people for people, and not for characteristics of their bodies.

I strongly believe that the communities that are hurting are those that are a result of a previous system that led them into the situation that they're in. Is it racism that continues the cycle that they find themselves in today? No. Is it an effect of years of previous racism? Maybe. But at the end of the day, ending "racism" as people call it isn't going to save the communities that are literally imploding with blacks killing blacks, white killing whites, blacks killing whites, whites killing blacks, gang affiliations, drug usage, etc. There is a bigger problem here, and ending racism isn't going to solve it.

I would argue that the majority of people are not racist, and letting the minority of people that believe in such a prehistoric and pathetic idealism that white people are superior rule the narrative for today is not helping the situation.

Why isn't there such a problem with Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, or East Indians? There is a bigger situation going on here than racism. People who follow racist logic would likely hate the above mentioned races as much as the African American community but we don't see that in our conversations because they aren't in the same situation that some or many of these predominantly black communities face.

What is the big difference between these groups? Is it the socio-demographic situation that so many African American families find themselves in that causes all of the violence, drugs, illegal activity, etc. It's a terrible cycle these people are trapped in, but calling it racism is not addressing the elephant in the room, and unfortunately is an out to accept bad behavior and delay future success as a community.

Ending racism sounds nice, but it will literally take generations to weed out the remaining racists within our society, so whats the solution for today?