Genocide in Libya

[Doom leader1]

Right now in Libya, innocent people are being murdered for protesting their beliefs against their dictator, Muammar Al-Gaddafi. They want democracy, and they thought they could achieve that by protesting. Gaddafi apparently has zero tolerance, and has ordered the open firing on innocent civilians, this includes women and children. The US is doing nothing to help, nor is the media doing anything for awareness, they would rather talk about Justin Biebers new haircut.
What are you opinions about what Muammar Al-Gaddafi is doing?
Do you think the US is going to interfere?
When do you think this will stop?

 

[Dragom]

Its hard to say I mean if the US were to send in troops where would they come from? Would they move their war? I think it will stop when someone assassinates Al-Gaddafi to be honest thats really the only way they will get what they want, because if he is not going to back down and use force against civilians for protesting thats what needs to happen. I'm never a person that would say someone needs to be removed but in this case it is true.

 

[SuF]

The US needs to stop getting into others business. There are terrible things happening, but the US can not be the world police. It just can not happen.

 

[Doom leader1]

The US does need to stop getting into other peoples business, yes, but isn't it morally wrong to let hundreds and hundreds of innocent people die because of something that the US started? Yes, the US DID start this, they helped for Egypt to (not really) achieve democracy, thus starting a chain reaction.

 

[Lucio 3]

The US does need to stop getting into other peoples business, yes, but isn't it morally wrong to let hundreds and hundreds of innocent people die because of something that the US started? Yes, the US DID start this, they helped for Egypt to (not really) achieve democracy, thus starting a chain reaction.

Thats a good point, but the US doesn't HAVE to help. I mean they didn't go to Libya and tell them to revolt, all they did was help Egypt, and i bet they weren't thinking "man if we help Egypt then Libya will revolt too!" so it is not their fault.

The people who should get involved is the UN, and yes i know that the US is a BIG part of the UN.

 

[SuF]

The US does need to stop getting into other peoples business, yes, but isn't it morally wrong to let hundreds and hundreds of innocent people die because of something that the US started? Yes, the US DID start this, they helped for Egypt to (not really) achieve democracy, thus starting a chain reaction.

The US may have contributed to the situation but by no means can be held responsible for starting the revolution. The people are not revolting because of anything the US did. They are revolting because of terrible conditions in the country. The US has no moral or legal obligation to stop the genocide.

 

[pkamumba]

the us should not get into another war, the people of the middle east need to pull there head out of the sand

 

[Lucio 3]

the us should not get into another war, the people of the middle east need to pull there head out of the sand

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=937359

Read that and then start posting in these forums please. If your going to state something, explain why you stated it. You know, like they make you do in the 3rd grade with the questions that are followed with ",why?". So why do you think the US shouldn't get into another war? do you expect the people of the middle east to "pull there(supposed to be their ) head out of the sand" by themselves? Everybody needs help, and especially a country with a Dictator, who is as stubborn as a rock.

 

[malakadang]

Doesn't US have common law regarding this sort of issue on a much smaller scale?

If you drive by a hurt cyclist, you are not obligated to help him. If however you stop to help in, you are obligated to fulfill that task, simply put, staying and assisting him, calling an ambulance, not driving off. The reason for this is that other passer byers would not be under the false impression that help is already on the way.


If we apply this to this scenario. (Not 100% sure if US has taken a stance however)

The US basically gets in everyones business, it proclaims that it'll help stop the genocide in Sudan... IMO Its basically saying to the world, we will stop the genocide happening in other countries.

Maybe this is why other countries don't interfere, thinking that help is on the way.



Either way Totalitarian rule will always end like this.

 

[Doom leader1]

But regardless of any situation any country is in, they still recieve no help, now the US should, no, they better fucking feel obligated to help, because they take up a shit ton of the Earths resources, they're up there on their pedestal, and, now, after invading Iraq for oil, and for no other purpose whatsoever besides oil, should stop the mass murders that are happening, because they made life shitty for the Middle East, possibly bringing these people to be under the impression that democracy is fucking awesome, and can make you conquer anything you want, when, in reality, it turns around and bites you on the ass.

 

[Lucio 3]

But regardless of any situation any country is in, they still recieve no help, now the US should, no, they better fucking feel obligated to help, because they take up a shit ton of the Earths resources, they're up there on their pedestal, and, now, after invading Iraq for oil, and for no other purpose whatsoever besides oil, should stop the mass murders that are happening, because they made life shitty for the Middle East, possibly bringing these people to be under the impression that democracy is fucking awesome, and can make you conquer anything you want, when, in reality, it turns around and bites you on the ass.

Dude, life isn't fair. We use up a lot of the resources because we have the money to buy it. That's life, just like with animals the stronger succed. Yeah we use a lot of the resources in the world, but we are also the countr that has donated the most to stop genocide. This however doesn't mean we HAVE to help any country that's in genocide, but if we do chose to help them out as soon as we start it we have to finish instead of giving libya false hope.

 

[SuF]

Doesn't US have common law regarding this sort of issue on a much smaller scale?

If you drive by a hurt cyclist, you are not obligated to help him. If however you stop to help in, you are obligated to fulfill that task, simply put, staying and assisting him, calling an ambulance, not driving off. The reason for this is that other passer byers would not be under the false impression that help is already on the way.


If we apply this to this scenario. (Not 100% sure if US has taken a stance however)

The US basically gets in everyones business, it proclaims that it'll help stop the genocide in Sudan... IMO Its basically saying to the world, we will stop the genocide happening in other countries.

Maybe this is why other countries don't interfere, thinking that help is on the way.



Either way Totalitarian rule will always end like this.

You are never obliged to help anyone. If you try to help the hurt cyclist and he dies after you have touched him you can be sued and held responsible for it, in some states. It is the UN's job to take action against nations, not the US's.

 

[malakadang]

You are never obliged to help anyone. If you try to help the hurt cyclist and he dies after you have touched him you can be sued and held responsible for it, in some states. It is the UN's job to take action against nations, not the US's.

I'm arguing that Maybe the UN thinks that the US is taking action, and is standing back on this issue. However in actual fact the US is doing nothing.

It's the cleaners job to clean up rubbish, not yours. So why do you still clean it up?

 

[monk65]

The US needs to stop getting into others business. There are terrible things happening, but the US can not be the world police. It just can not happen.

YES.

I think all of this, believe it or not, is a good thing. It better overpower the fucking douchebag that is running this poor country.

 

[already over]

Gaddafi's regime should step down so that it can be a transitional arrangement. A regime that fires brightly on its own people, and bunker into a narrow power struggle to defend local interests, can not represent their own people.

But there is an urgent humanitarian problem on both the refugee side and supply side within Libya, and we must have just as much focus on it.

 

[Colbinile]

I was deployed to Iraq, and spent 6 years in the Army. We need to stop claiming to be the worlds police force, we have enough problems of our own here in our country. The UN isnt comprimised of just the US.

 

[Killstreakunlim]

I don't think the US should interfer simply because whatever they get into generally ends up lasting for way too long. I think this should be left to pan out on its own and the Libyan people find their own way to democracy, much more self gratifying.

 

[dsj]

It's about damn time that Obama finally openly condemned Gaddafi for his actions and offered assistance. Maybe this nutcase will finally be overthrown now.

 

[Colbinile]

He will most likely fight til hes dead, or he will kill himself before being removed. thats how dictators work.