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Heya,
To begin with, I didn't want to make any sort of dispute regarding this in the first place since at first it wasn't that big of a deal to me, but the absolute lack of accountability from the service providers side forced me to instead waste several hours of my day towards this problem instead of just admitting being at fault.
I'm not sure if this falls under scams, rather just breaking ToS (since selling a botted service under the guise of it being a hand-trained service, or failing to inform the service would be botted is against ToS found here: [Section Rules] Old School RuneScape Skill Training) so in case this is the wrong place for this thread, feel free to move it to the correct forum section; but would like this addressed nevertheless.
Scammer's profile link: Gamax
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: gamax10 + 1190680679936172172
Proof that it's their Discord:
+ https://i.imgur.com/56OfFBt.png
Explanation of the trade:
Basically, a while back I made a thread looking to get some thieving done on my UIM (link to thread: Uim 55-94 thieving) and he was one of the ones that replied, and since he offered a solo Wintertodt service as well which would be ideal to get done prior to the thieving grind I decided to go with his services. He was new to the site but he seemed nice enough so I decided to give him a chance since at the end of the day, it wasn't that much money. The quote for the thieving part that he replied with in the thread was $75, but altogether with the wt service and other minor things such as agility I paid $140 in LTC. I can't provide a screenshot of the exact quote of that since he deleted my initial ticket, proof: https://i.imgur.com/wMYgu02.png. Here is a screenshot of me roughly explaining the quote to a friend that doesn't play Runescape so that is why i say 1-94 thieving, instead of having to explain why 55-94, but nevertheless; https://i.imgur.com/DSpBozW.png. Here is also a link to the transaction: LTC Transaction 33f5b7126d3991f638ccb8f26d33c71736295f4ee1abb2827ce8a6fbf8d87de5 | BlockCypher
Either way; my service went by painlessly and well in the beginning, and I even discussed potential other services in the future since I got along with Gamax at the time and thought he seemed like a nice guy. But the moment my thieving service began, I started getting a bit suspicious as the account getting serviced was keeping up very consistant XP rates, it went from 56 thieving to all the way to 80 doing blackjacking without taking so much as a break (about 10 hours of EHP, Fumo Plush - Tracking - TempleOSRS and anyone that has done blackjacking can see why this would be kind of weird, it's a very intense method especially for long periods at a time. I also noticed the account logging in and out quite frequently which I thought was weird. I suspected that it might be getting botted, but I decided to at least go and take a look for myself in game and I'll provide some videos of what I found below:
Upon finding it, around 9:30 pm:
It still doing the same behaviour about 40 minutes later as I'm informing Gamax of this:
I have more footage of this same behaviour, but it's not necessary as when Gamax confronted his worker his so called worker said that his "13 year old sister" had been instructed to turn on this "AutoHopper" plugin (note the name, it'll be important in a second) but that she was doing all the work by hand, and that someone just conveniently sent her the plugin a long time ago. https://i.imgur.com/5jutTwl.png
https://i.imgur.com/JOIMVQQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/cut3aNf.png
https://i.imgur.com/gAF9Bri.png
https://i.imgur.com/hehqUrf.png
Notice in the last screenshot Gamax sends me a screenshot of this "plugin" someone "gave his workers 13 year old sister a long time ago" https://prnt.sc/Dd9B48y0eTvK
Well don't you find the whole highlighted [P-UZ]-part before the plugin name a bit odd? Well so did I and upon a quick google search I stumbled upon this video:
, basically another "P-UZ" plugin, but as you can see it's not really a Runelite plugin but rather a bot script running as a spoofed Runelite plugin. I decided to take it upon myself to join the Discord linked in the description of the video to confirm the plugin was theirs:
Confirmation the "plugin" belonged to them:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...728ad98835326ff9661ca26221164868cd5ccfe3553c&
Gamax tried to argue she had only installed the AutoHopper plugin so:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6e9f3b317cc56353f81abf550161acb59f03cb0d9bb7&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6de04ca4b980a8ab330f58a5247f21a70fd7d1263ef4&
So from this we can conclude that it comes as a package, and that there is no way she could've just gotten this "AutoHopper" plugin sent to her, also to add onto this, you can't just regularly install these as normal Runelite plugins, but instead it's quite the lengthy process, here is a partial screenshot of their instructions to give you an idea:
https://i.imgur.com/TSn1UWV.png
So to conclude, obviously his workers "13 year old sister" didn't just randomly get this "Runelite plugin" sent to her a long time ago, and even less likely, she didn't install a whole spoofed Runelite loader for a bot script package, not being able to even speak English, a "long time ago" when she presumably would've been even younger than 13. Obviously his worker is using this to bot and blaming it on this "13 year old sister" of his, whether she actually exists or not.
After this whole debacle, Gamax tried to argue that she only used the AutoHopper script (which still would technically be botting) but that she did the thieving by hand; which I shouldn't even have to explain why it would be highly improbable. Obviously this "13 year old sister" didn't get a bot client to only use "AutoHopper" and then sit there for 10 hours straight doing perfect blackjacking by hand on this same bot client whilst only using the auto hop script. I think Gamax mentioned that his worker did it the first few hours and then his sister but I've no clue and honestly at this point shouldn't even matter.
Gamax then further tried arguing that the blackjacking script they provide was in "beta" and wouldn't have sufficed to do all that blackjacking, but despite this I found various testimonies in this server that the blackjacking script was indeed working, I suppose you just had to tweak and play around with it for a bit. Another thing that also kind of devalues his counter-argument is that in their FAQ they mentioned you're able to use other peoples scripts in combination with theirs, though likely I think the worker just used theirs and got it to work, but if not that is another possibility. I'll provide screenshots of all this below:
https://i.imgur.com/cozIGbp.png
https://i.imgur.com/a9RNnTk.png
Video I downloaded FROM their discord of the blackjacking plugin in action, also showcasing the weird hopping behaviour from the autohopper plugin for the first 30 seconds or so:
Basically from what I read around in the server, even though it seems to still be in "beta", it still works as long as you set up your config correctly.
Proof you can use "plugins from other providers" ie, different scripts with along with their scripts; so even if it was "broken" he could as well have been using another script along with it, although I believe he was just using the P-UZ one seen in the video.
https://i.imgur.com/4TBeG3j.png
Basically to summarize, obviously his "13 year old sister" didn't go through all the hassle for this spoofed Runelite bot client just to use "AutoHopper", and I'm losing my remaining braincells going back and forth with Gamax over this and just wished they would take accountability instead, so here I am. He just keeps going in circles arguing that she only used "AutoHopper" but that the thieving was done by hand, and as we all know this is obviously a half-assed lie and even in the nonexistent universe where this could be the case, that would still count as botting.
Also to further add onto this, this is the very first rule in Gamax own ToS: https://i.imgur.com/CNpD6Ud.png
Just in general I feel like this whole thing has been such a waste of time for me, even writing this entire ticket out has taken up maybe an hour of my day at this point and all in all just time I could've spent towards something sensible rather than this brainless debate. Please weigh in on this as I'm at the end of the road of my patience here.
If you have any further questions or need me to provide some other sort of evidence or anything just feel free to ask.
To begin with, I didn't want to make any sort of dispute regarding this in the first place since at first it wasn't that big of a deal to me, but the absolute lack of accountability from the service providers side forced me to instead waste several hours of my day towards this problem instead of just admitting being at fault.
I'm not sure if this falls under scams, rather just breaking ToS (since selling a botted service under the guise of it being a hand-trained service, or failing to inform the service would be botted is against ToS found here: [Section Rules] Old School RuneScape Skill Training) so in case this is the wrong place for this thread, feel free to move it to the correct forum section; but would like this addressed nevertheless.
Scammer's profile link: Gamax
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: gamax10 + 1190680679936172172
Proof that it's their Discord:
Explanation of the trade:
Basically, a while back I made a thread looking to get some thieving done on my UIM (link to thread: Uim 55-94 thieving) and he was one of the ones that replied, and since he offered a solo Wintertodt service as well which would be ideal to get done prior to the thieving grind I decided to go with his services. He was new to the site but he seemed nice enough so I decided to give him a chance since at the end of the day, it wasn't that much money. The quote for the thieving part that he replied with in the thread was $75, but altogether with the wt service and other minor things such as agility I paid $140 in LTC. I can't provide a screenshot of the exact quote of that since he deleted my initial ticket, proof: https://i.imgur.com/wMYgu02.png. Here is a screenshot of me roughly explaining the quote to a friend that doesn't play Runescape so that is why i say 1-94 thieving, instead of having to explain why 55-94, but nevertheless; https://i.imgur.com/DSpBozW.png. Here is also a link to the transaction: LTC Transaction 33f5b7126d3991f638ccb8f26d33c71736295f4ee1abb2827ce8a6fbf8d87de5 | BlockCypher
Either way; my service went by painlessly and well in the beginning, and I even discussed potential other services in the future since I got along with Gamax at the time and thought he seemed like a nice guy. But the moment my thieving service began, I started getting a bit suspicious as the account getting serviced was keeping up very consistant XP rates, it went from 56 thieving to all the way to 80 doing blackjacking without taking so much as a break (about 10 hours of EHP, Fumo Plush - Tracking - TempleOSRS and anyone that has done blackjacking can see why this would be kind of weird, it's a very intense method especially for long periods at a time. I also noticed the account logging in and out quite frequently which I thought was weird. I suspected that it might be getting botted, but I decided to at least go and take a look for myself in game and I'll provide some videos of what I found below:
Upon finding it, around 9:30 pm:
It still doing the same behaviour about 40 minutes later as I'm informing Gamax of this:
I have more footage of this same behaviour, but it's not necessary as when Gamax confronted his worker his so called worker said that his "13 year old sister" had been instructed to turn on this "AutoHopper" plugin (note the name, it'll be important in a second) but that she was doing all the work by hand, and that someone just conveniently sent her the plugin a long time ago. https://i.imgur.com/5jutTwl.png
https://i.imgur.com/JOIMVQQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/cut3aNf.png
https://i.imgur.com/gAF9Bri.png
https://i.imgur.com/hehqUrf.png
Notice in the last screenshot Gamax sends me a screenshot of this "plugin" someone "gave his workers 13 year old sister a long time ago" https://prnt.sc/Dd9B48y0eTvK
Well don't you find the whole highlighted [P-UZ]-part before the plugin name a bit odd? Well so did I and upon a quick google search I stumbled upon this video:
Confirmation the "plugin" belonged to them:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...728ad98835326ff9661ca26221164868cd5ccfe3553c&
Gamax tried to argue she had only installed the AutoHopper plugin so:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6e9f3b317cc56353f81abf550161acb59f03cb0d9bb7&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6de04ca4b980a8ab330f58a5247f21a70fd7d1263ef4&
So from this we can conclude that it comes as a package, and that there is no way she could've just gotten this "AutoHopper" plugin sent to her, also to add onto this, you can't just regularly install these as normal Runelite plugins, but instead it's quite the lengthy process, here is a partial screenshot of their instructions to give you an idea:
https://i.imgur.com/TSn1UWV.png
So to conclude, obviously his workers "13 year old sister" didn't just randomly get this "Runelite plugin" sent to her a long time ago, and even less likely, she didn't install a whole spoofed Runelite loader for a bot script package, not being able to even speak English, a "long time ago" when she presumably would've been even younger than 13. Obviously his worker is using this to bot and blaming it on this "13 year old sister" of his, whether she actually exists or not.
After this whole debacle, Gamax tried to argue that she only used the AutoHopper script (which still would technically be botting) but that she did the thieving by hand; which I shouldn't even have to explain why it would be highly improbable. Obviously this "13 year old sister" didn't get a bot client to only use "AutoHopper" and then sit there for 10 hours straight doing perfect blackjacking by hand on this same bot client whilst only using the auto hop script. I think Gamax mentioned that his worker did it the first few hours and then his sister but I've no clue and honestly at this point shouldn't even matter.
Gamax then further tried arguing that the blackjacking script they provide was in "beta" and wouldn't have sufficed to do all that blackjacking, but despite this I found various testimonies in this server that the blackjacking script was indeed working, I suppose you just had to tweak and play around with it for a bit. Another thing that also kind of devalues his counter-argument is that in their FAQ they mentioned you're able to use other peoples scripts in combination with theirs, though likely I think the worker just used theirs and got it to work, but if not that is another possibility. I'll provide screenshots of all this below:
https://i.imgur.com/cozIGbp.png
https://i.imgur.com/a9RNnTk.png
Video I downloaded FROM their discord of the blackjacking plugin in action, also showcasing the weird hopping behaviour from the autohopper plugin for the first 30 seconds or so:
Basically from what I read around in the server, even though it seems to still be in "beta", it still works as long as you set up your config correctly.
Proof you can use "plugins from other providers" ie, different scripts with along with their scripts; so even if it was "broken" he could as well have been using another script along with it, although I believe he was just using the P-UZ one seen in the video.
https://i.imgur.com/4TBeG3j.png
Basically to summarize, obviously his "13 year old sister" didn't go through all the hassle for this spoofed Runelite bot client just to use "AutoHopper", and I'm losing my remaining braincells going back and forth with Gamax over this and just wished they would take accountability instead, so here I am. He just keeps going in circles arguing that she only used "AutoHopper" but that the thieving was done by hand, and as we all know this is obviously a half-assed lie and even in the nonexistent universe where this could be the case, that would still count as botting.
Also to further add onto this, this is the very first rule in Gamax own ToS: https://i.imgur.com/CNpD6Ud.png
Just in general I feel like this whole thing has been such a waste of time for me, even writing this entire ticket out has taken up maybe an hour of my day at this point and all in all just time I could've spent towards something sensible rather than this brainless debate. Please weigh in on this as I'm at the end of the road of my patience here.
If you have any further questions or need me to provide some other sort of evidence or anything just feel free to ask.
