FireZ- Unhappy

[Plznate]

If there isn't proof, there shouldn't be a ban warranted. If your opinion is based on a feeling, you should be demoted immediately, or at least warned.

The person in question is an active, contributing member of a site that condones actions which are wrong, legally and morally. The person has posted on said site asking for tools and information on how to partake in these activities, and has made posts about phishing, recovering accounts, etc. The proof is more then sufficient, did you even read through the entire dispute and the proof shown?

Its not based on feeling in any way, perhaps take a bit more time to read through before attacking someone for helping to keep the site clean of malicious members?

 

[hey guys]

If there isn't proof, there shouldn't be a ban warranted. If your opinion is based on a feeling, you should be demoted immediately, or at least warned.



Keeping the site safe isn't the concern. The concern is some staff being over powered and being biased towards their own opinion.

How are they overpowered? Lets see,
Okay lets see.
#1 Sythe, he gets to be overpowered cause its his fucking site.
#2 Administrator, has the ability to reverse any of the lower mod's decisions, and is personally approved by the big boss Sythe.
#3 Globals, which is FireZ.

As you can see, they are quite powerful arent they? If FireZ had made any blunders that an Admin does not like they could reverse it, and on top of that if it continues to be a problem, they could demote him.

But they dont, so now what? If the admins who are pretty powerful themselves approve of FireZ's efforts to protect the site. Does that make them overpowered?

I'll guarantee you this, Sythe isnt a democracy. there is no such term as overpowered or underpowered. Sythe(the user) gives them the ability to do such things himself. And so far so good. Grow up seriously.

 

[Kiabin]

The person in question is an active, contributing member of a site that condones actions which are wrong, legally and morally. The person has posted on said site asking for tools and information on how to partake in these activities, and has made posts about phishing, recovering accounts, etc. The proof is more then sufficient, did you even read through the entire dispute and the proof shown?

Its not based on feeling in any way, perhaps take a bit more time to read through before attacking someone for helping to keep the site clean of malicious members?

I'm not talking about this in particular. But, I am referring to the post Matt had. Firez said he's good at guessing who's potentially harming anything and they will be banned.

How are they overpowered? Lets see,
Okay lets see.
#1 Sythe, he gets to be overpowered cause its his fucking site.
#2 Administrator, has the ability to reverse any of the lower mod's decisions, and is personally approved by the big boss Sythe.
#3 Globals, which is FireZ.

As you can see, they are quite powerful arent they? If FireZ had made any blunders that an Admin does not like they could reverse it, and on top of that if it continues to be a problem, they could demote him.

But they dont, so now what? If the admins who are pretty powerful themselves approve of FireZ's efforts to protect the site. Does that make them overpowered?

I'll guarantee you this, Sythe isnt a democracy. there is no such term as overpowered or underpowered. Sythe(the user) gives them the ability to do such things himself. And so far so good. Grow up seriously.

What, you want a mod position? Don't worry, they'll give you a job. You're kissing ass enough already. Yeah yeah yeah. Infract infract infract. Maybe I should get my flamethrower. You started in October.

 

[hey guys]

I'm not talking about this in particular. But, I am referring to the post Matt had. Firez said he's good at guessing who's potentially harming anything and they will be banned.



What, you want a mod position? Don't worry, they'll give you a job. You're kissing ass enough already. Yeah yeah yeah. Infract infract infract. Maybe I should get my flamethrower. You started in October.

Infractions mean nothing, they are little warnings to tell you to stop being stupid.

And you seem to be the arrogant one bringing up MY join date. I'm a member of this Site and proud to be and i have as much right to be here and debate with you as anyone else.

 

[Kiabin]

Infractions mean nothing, they are little warnings to tell you to stop being stupid.

No shit. Stop acting like you know it all. You don't.

 

[hey guys]

No shit. Stop acting like you know it all. You don't.

I know i do not know it all, but im getting the hang of it. I'm still fairly new to this site, however i do make logical assessments of people. Both of us wont be changing our positions and that is that.
Im going to sleep and do not feel i should continue arguing with someone who just doesn't understand that guessing is part of a good game strategy to removing a threat ASAP to protect the site.

Do you know how an antivirus works? they bring up a bunch of potentialviruses, of which some may not actually be viruses? But Guess what, you should lock them up away anyways then check online about it. Does this seem oddly familiar? locking away threats beforehand? And antiviruses DO guess which is why theres a restore button.

Bitdefender, Avast, AVG, Norton 360 all guess, so don't try to say im using a crap antivirus.

Im off to sleep.

 

[cosrob97]

FJ is a website catered towards people who hack/scam/phish runescape accounts. As such, the proof posted can be reasonably considered as valid proof given the circumstances, enough so to warrant a ban.

Would you ban a phisher that failed and was never able to phish somebody?

 

[hey guys]

Would you ban a phisher that failed and was never able to phish somebody?

Would you charged a man who attempted to steal but was never able to steal from anybody.

I certainly would.

 

[NoFreedom]

As i said in another post "We're all missing the point here. The user was banned to PROTECT the community, FireZ and all the other mods that investigated this case made the RIGHT decision, regardless of whether it was hypocritical or not."
@Cosrob97 would you Imprison a thief that never got the chance to leave the store?

 

[Emperor Nero]

I'm gonna post here and am going to try and make my point clear.

FireZ is a fantastic mod, but yes, there are times where him and maybe some other mods, get their point across, but do it very ... I don't want to say mean, but they do it without thinking of how the other person might take it.

Now, they know they can take peoples feedback and change, or not, because it's really their own character/personality whatever you wanna call it.

Now I do think most are amazing, but sometimes they do treat other members like crap (and I'm not attacking staff in anyway, I just think you could do it a bit more nicely), but that's just the type of person I am, I like to think of how the other person might take it.

All in all.. He can either take the feedback he gets from people or disregard it. Personally, I think he should try to think before he posts more (and again, this isn't to try and offend you, because I know you are working hard and I even ask you for help alot of times), and just try to take some feedback and build up on it from there.

I hope that made sense

I see your point Gohan, and it is a good point. Though what is the use of a Feedback section if the staff/site is given feedback (even from previous mods, Kai) and it is not taken into strong consideration. What is there to be said about the effectiveness of staff if they are too stubborn to change from their ways, being that their ways are wrong? If feedback is not taken into account then this is an ineffective member? What does this show about the community when the staff is ineffective? It shows an ineffective community.

Point is: Though the feedback may not be good, they shouldn't take it personal and learn a lesson. Adapt and change...

 

I see your point Gohan, and it is a good point. Though what is the use of a Feedback section if the staff/site is given feedback (even from previous mods, Kai) and it is not taken into strong consideration. What is there to be said about the effectiveness of staff if they are too stubborn to change from their ways, being that their ways are wrong? If feedback is not taken into account then this is an ineffective member? What does this show about the community when the staff is ineffective? It shows an ineffective community.

Point is: Though the feedback may not be good, they shouldn't take it personal and learn a lesson. Adapt and change...

See my post here:
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7657913&postcount=13

 

[Emperor Nero]

See my post here:
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7657913&postcount=13

Good post, my friend.

 

[FireZ]

I can't tell if this thread is a bitchfest about me or a bitchfest about banning for offsite offenses. Seem to be mixed.


Bans aren't based upon a guessing game, you guys need to think for 1 minute.

but just think how bad it would feel to be wrongfully banned?

I know the feeling......and the feeling of being wrongfully TWC'd.

I think he is technically doing what a mod is suppossed to do, but Banning someone just because they have interested in hacking, etc, shouldn't be a instant ban.

Well it is an instaban here. Thats the rules and thats how they are currently being enforced.

He shouldn't close disputes because he thinks other staff will agree, he should wait for others

Obvious bans are obvious. Also I always let dispute forum threads stay in there for 24 hrs for anyone else to have a look over them. NEVER had 1 pm about any of them.

I don't even move 50% of the disputes I do and if someone else archives them then that means they approved with my decision as well.

Never have I seen a staff member cause so many bans which are unjustified

I misbanned a lot when I first started but have only misbanned 2 in the past month. Also you probably think that every ban that gets overturned was automatically a wrongful ban at the time of the banning, well they weren't.

Firez said he's good at guessing who's potentially harming anything and they will be banned.

Wrong context from you yet again. I do guess who is potentially harmful, they get an investigation and if a rule was broken they are banned.

I don't play "Spin the bottle" and just ban whoever it lands on.

Would you ban a phisher that failed and was never able to phish somebody?

Users aren't banned off success, they are banned off intention. Its called being proactive.





Lastly guys I am taking feedback from you but most of it is just filled with hatred for whatever reason. I cannot change overnight either. I have toned down in the dispute forum as of late.

If you guys could HELP for once rather then just attack attack attack, I would be 10x more willing to listen to you and adapt "faster". Like Gohan said this is going to take 2 sides and effort must come from all around.

Also I don't think some people enjoy the "intense" style but I mod at work a lot so I come across as much more serious and intense then I really am. I am honestly pretty chill all the time.


Regarding harshness: I wasn't born on sympathy lane or cupcake drive. I don't give people forgiveness where it isn't deserved. Most of these people who end up banned at 1 point or another didn't give any forgiveness to whoever they were offending. Yet that seems to be alright. Its not with me though.

I also make a lot of decisions and inevitably there are going to be some that you guys won't agree with. If I do anything wrong then someone else will mention it to me and I will take a 2nd look and make sure the right decision gets made.


Lastly I'd request you guys stop turning every single thread into a fight about me, whether its the OP or the responders. It just looks like 2 sides lining up their support and going at it continuously and its getting tiring.

Also a lot of the people who disagree with my banning philosophy don't/wouldn't ban anyone for anything they do.

Anyone with a REAL concern can always send me a PM, I don't bite.



This thread is now locked as it is a suggestion, feedback and an attack on a staff member all in one.

Use the sticky and lets work this out.