Feedback for inactive mods.

[-Bat]

It is not just about the qouta or appearances. He is speaking of Mods who do just enough to get by in every aspect.

 

[Syed]

Punjabi3, you're focusing on quotas. I barely mentioned it. Anyway:

Regarding Giddy, he never reached his quota, and was barely active at all in the community, you're glorifying him for no reason.

Whereas there are mods who hit high on quotas and make almost no public appearance whatsoever in the community and are still criticized for not making public appearances.

There's nobody like that as far as I know.

Then there are mods who have random activity spikes once or twice a week to hit their quotas and still over due the quota assigned but the same as above are criticized for making bare minimal appearances.

These are the mods that need to decide whether they're in it for the colored name or the community, also nobody has spikes once or twice a week, these mods have spikes randomly 4-6 times a month.

Everyone's different and everyone has different opinions of what a moderators position should be.

Not really, most people just want a mod that does his share and posts around as well. video for example is a great mod.

If a member does nothing then they should be demoted not because they solely focus on achieving the quota because they are still doing their "job"

No argument here, although your wording is terrible, so I don't know what you actually mean.

 

[S]

What's the use of having dead-weight staff who simply want to maintain their rank for ego purposes? If they're simple just scraping buy, out of a compulsory requirement to reach the minimum required modlogs, then clearly there is a problem.

 

[Punjabi3]

Punjabi3, you're focusing on quotas. I barely mentioned it. Anyway:

Regarding Giddy, he never reached his quota, and was barely active at all in the community, you're glorifying him for no reason.

lol he hit his quota every month he was criticized for doing his quota either early in or near the end of the month.

There's nobody like that as far as I know.

Most mods actually do double their required quota, well atleast this was the case but to do that it was really hard to make a public face.

These are the mods that need to decide whether they're in it for the colored name or the community, also nobody has spikes once or twice a week, these mods have spikes 4-6 times a month.

So make a thread on these mods with names don't generalize the whole staff under it and expect them to know who you are talking about because I only see this thread being aimed at Corey and nobody else, which might be what majority are seeing it come off as well.

Not really, most people just want a mod that does his share and posts around as well. video for example is a great mod.

Not everyone can be expected to do this on staff, trust me when I say it overdueing your position will lead to burnout and has happened to every mod who has tried to do it. I'm sure video will feel it as well. Zerker in my opinion was the best mod lately when it came to moderating and was hit with exhaustion which will happen if everyone over does their requirements.

No argument here, although your wording is terrible, so I don't know what you actually mean.

Ye I don't know what I was thinking and forgot what I was trying to write there

I think I was trying to say a moderator shouldn't be demoted for reaching the bare minimal because they are promoted for what they are doing, obviously they won't see a promotion anytime if they focus on their bare minimal but shouldn't see a demotion either if they aren't doing anything wrong.

 

[djweasel]

Inactive mods should just resign, just meeting a quota doesn't make you intact, we users don't know what is happening '' behind the scenes '' so why have this nonsense and excuse? Corey hasn't done a single thing when he was made Staff again, let the mods who are inactive ( You know who i'm talking bout ) Just resign and give other more active people a shot, if you have a life and are to busy just resign, but don't make the '' Real life '' an excuse, take for example Weasel - He only has a Phone, is 26 Years old and has a girlfriend, works 50+ Hours a week and does shitton more work than most who DO have Pc's and don't even work, Weasel is a true example of a Moderator who actively helps the community, even if he has a hard time.

That's where I get mad when people who cling to staff for the rank. And this thank you.

 

[S]

I think I was trying to say a moderator shouldn't be demoted for reaching the bare minimal because they are promoted for what they are doing, obviously they won't see a promotion anytime if they focus on their bare minimal but shouldn't see a demotion either if they aren't doing anything wrong.

IMO, Mod's should keep their position based on capability and contribution to the Site, aside the bare minimum compulsory requirements. Mod's should be the front face of Sythe, aiding in its growth and betterment. I see no use at all for an inactive Mod. Taking a few weeks of for exams/IRL commitments is different, but just scraping by for months on end is pointless.

This is just for Mods, not Admins/Globals.

 

[Syed]

So make a thread on these mods with names don't generalize the whole staff under it and expect them to know who you are talking about because I only see this thread being aimed at Corey and nobody else, which might be what majority are seeing it come off as well.

I'm not generalizing anybody, have you read the original post? I'm just asking that the current staff decide for themselves whether they're here for the community or the rank, I said this multiple times. And yes, Corey was mentioned by multiple people because well, quite frankly, he's not the best mod, if you haven't noticed. 7 posts since his promotion 10 days ago, not exactly a good start. I believe that if people want to return they should at least have the decency to be active for the first week they're promoted. There are numerous sectionals who deserve Global that don't get ranked up because inactive globals clog the metaphorical drain.

Anyway, I'm not asking staff to go out of their way to do ground-breaking community shit, like the other people here, I'm just asking them to be more active post-wise, and if they're busy with life, and can't do Sythe as well, then put Sythe on the back-burner, take a break. Don't just moderate to keep your rank, do it for the community.

 

[S]

Don't just moderate to keep your rank, do it for the community.

Exactly what I've said in regards to all my posts within this thread. Doing the bare minimum of compulsory modlog requirements isn't beneficial to anyone.

 

[Punjabi3]

I'm not generalizing anybody, have you read the original post? I'm just asking that the current staff decide for themselves whether they're here for the community or the rank, I said this multiple times. And yes, Corey was mentioned by multiple people because well, quite frankly, he's not the best mod, if you haven't noticed. 7 posts since his promotion 10 days ago, not exactly a good start. I believe that if people want to return they should at least have the decency to be active for the first week they're promoted. There are numerous sectionals who deserve Global that don't get ranked up because inactive globals clog the metaphorical drain.

Anyway, I'm not asking staff to go out of their way to do ground-breaking community shit, like the other people here, I'm just asking them to be more active post-wise, and if they're busy with life, and can't do Sythe as well, then put Sythe on the back-burner, take a break. Don't just moderate to keep your rank, do it for the community.

Exactly what I've said in regards to all my posts within this thread. Doing the bare minimum of compulsory modlog requirements isn't beneficial to anyone.

There is no set amount of globals, sectionals, and admins.

Most people who become mod do so for the rank, ui, and colored username, think about it would you work for a company for free and want to see them succeed if you get nothing out of it?

Also about this thing about bettering the community, a moderator shouldn't be responsible for bettering the community. Unless they share in the rewards and risks of a larger user base they have no reason to attract more members or do anything apart from what they were promoted to do and actually doing the minimum of compulsory modlogs still cleans up a bit of the website.

If somebody feels they are still contributing let them stay as long as they still hit the quota they are still contributing to the forum

 

[SuF]

As I said before moderators that will be inactive for any longer length of time either:

A) Resign
B) Get put on suspended staff
C) Get demoted after it is clear they are unable to fulfill their duties and are not contributing behind the scenes

Sectionals are more readily removed. They can almost always be replaced. Globals are harder since we don't always have someone we think deserves a promotion at that time. Admins are even harder since the pool for them is even smaller and the requirements are tougher.

 

[pur3bloody]

I agree with Syed completely. There are regular members who actually want to better the community which idk wtf punjabi is talking about when he said " a moderator shouldn't be responsible for bettering the community. Unless they share in the rewards". If that's the case, then the said person(s) shouldn't be a mod in the first place.

For example (I won't say any names) there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for self vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff? That's ridiculous. There are members that have been here for several years and have never scammed anyone and have clean slates but they don't get a shot at helping the community? That seems fair.

 

[Heads447]

there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for fake vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff?

wtf who???

 

[pur3bloody]

wtf who???

pmed you.

 

[Punjabi3]

I agree with Syed completely. There are regular members who actually want to better the community which idk wtf punjabi is talking about when he said " a moderator shouldn't be responsible for bettering the community. Unless they share in the rewards". If that's the case, then the said person(s) shouldn't be a mod in the first place.

For example (I won't say any names) there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for fake vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff? That's ridiculous. There are members that have been here for several years and have never scammed anyone and have clean slates but they don't get a shot at helping the community? That seems fair.

pmed you.

Trust is only a small factor in choosing a moderator, just because someone is trusted doesn't mean they can do what they are promoted to do. Also if you are referring to wulf being banned for fake vouching and being promoted he is in my opinion one of the few sectionals who does more for the site than he is required to do and you are still criticizing his promotion.

Why is there a need for a moderator to step down to be replaced? There's never been a moderator limit, when staff sees someone fit to be promoted they are asked if they want the position.

Also when you get promoted the admin who promotes you will tell you as a sectional you're required to hit the mod log quota to remain on staff, so implying there is no reason for you to exceed past mod logs unless you want to, it is nice to see somebody go beyond their requirement but you guys are making it sound like it should be mandatory to do more than grunt work as a sectional. As a global is a different story because they have a lot more to do.

 

[SuF]

I agree with Syed completely. There are regular members who actually want to better the community which idk wtf punjabi is talking about when he said " a moderator shouldn't be responsible for bettering the community. Unless they share in the rewards". If that's the case, then the said person(s) shouldn't be a mod in the first place.

For example (I won't say any names) there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for self vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff? That's ridiculous. There are members that have been here for several years and have never scammed anyone and have clean slates but they don't get a shot at helping the community? That seems fair.

People don't get pardoned unless they deserve a second chance and people are not promoted and do not stay on staff unless they deserve their position. We will never have a perfect system for choosing new staff but we must be extremely caution in promoting new members because there has been moderator scams again and again, especially of new sectionals. We have to be cautious and promote people who we trust.

 

For example (I won't say any names) there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for fake vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff? That's ridiculous. There are members that have been here for several years and have never scammed anyone and have clean slates but they don't get a shot at helping the community? That seems fair.

Firstly, how is this even relevant to what this thread is being discussed on? Anyway, this is referring to me, if anybody didn't know. I have only been banned twice, not thrice. When I was a global moderator, I admitted scamming $8 (this has been refunded) when I first joined Sythe, this was something I wouldn't have been caught for, but I wanted to come clean. The second time I was banned was because of "self vouching." I never did "self vouch," what happened is my IRL friend who was a moderator at the time vouched me for a trade that actually happened, later on, I noticed it might be a problem, so I deleted it. I could have prevented the entire ordeal if I just edited in "this was an IRL vouch," but I guess it didn't count, and I was banned. I'm not trying to be cocky, but I would like to think I'm one of the most active moderators on the team. I've gotten the highest modscore last month, and I currently have a higher modscore than I did last month. I'm online pretty much everyday, and I do my job to the best of my ability.

 

[Austintheman]

I'm curious whats your opinion on having high activity do you think a mod should be more focused on community and achieve minimal quota or the opposite?

Giddy used to be active in the community and was still criticized he may have acted immature but it appealed to the community and was demoted and criticized for keeping bare minimal on the quota but was never recognised for his community involvement.

Whereas there are mods who hit high on quotas and make almost no public appearance whatsoever in the community and are still criticized for not making public appearances.

Then there are mods who have random activity spikes once or twice a week to hit their quotas and still over due the quota assigned but the same as above are criticized for making bare minimal appearances.

Everyone's different and everyone has different opinions of what a moderators position should be.

The only way to have an extremely community focused staff team is to be overstaffed which leads to even more problems, I know when I was staff even with the amount of mods there were there was still hardly any time to be community involved and then when you focused on making more of a public face there was hardly any time to make the quota.

If a member does nothing then they should be demoted not because they solely focus on achieving the quota because they are still doing their "job"

Agreed. Everyone hates Giddy because he barely reached his mod quota at the end of each month, but I don't many people realize that Giddy wasn't on staff for one or two months, he's been on staff for a long period of time. Sure, at the end he started slacking, but nobody gave Giddy the credit he deserved.

Now on topic, I agree with syed 100%.

Why was a mod given his mod back if they were inactive before being repromoted? Seems like Corey knew that another global was going to be promoted and he wouldn't be able to get his modship back, so he requested his mod back so another person wouldn't take it.

Guess this is feedback for the rest of staff:
Why are old mods automatically put into a poll if they had resigned? They shouldn't get a special treatment just because they were on staff. Old mods who are getting repromoted should go through the same procedure as everyone; not just automatically put onto a poll.

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For example (I won't say any names) there is a mod that has been banned 2 or 3 times now, for self vouching and other things, and yet, he comes back and gets put on staff? That's ridiculous. There are members that have been here for several years and have never scammed anyone and have clean slates but they don't get a shot at helping the community? That seems fair.

Dude, did you even read the thread? this has nothing to do what is being discussed lmao

 

[SuF]

Agreed. Everyone hates Giddy because he barely reached his mod quota at the end of each month, but I don't many people realize that Giddy wasn't on staff for one or two months, he's been on staff for a long period of time. Sure, at the end he started slacking, but nobody gave Giddy the credit he deserved.

Now on topic, I agree with syed 100%.

Why was a mod given his mod back if they were inactive before being repromoted? Seems like Corey knew that another global was going to be promoted and he wouldn't be able to get his modship back, so he requested his mod back so another person wouldn't take it.

Guess this is feedback for the rest of staff:
Why are old mods automatically put into a poll if they had resigned? They shouldn't get a special treatment just because they were on staff. Old mods who are getting repromoted should go through the same procedure as everyone; not just automatically put onto a poll.

Old moderators are not reconsidered unless they ask because that is the only way we know they they would like to come back. If they were demoted we will treat them as we do new candidates and ask if they would like a second chance but that just doesn't make sense if they stepped down. Giving them a poll is really the only way for us to get a sense of whether we want them back or not.

 

[pur3bloody]

Firstly, how is this even relevant to what this thread is being discussed on? Anyway, this is referring to me, if anybody didn't know. I have only been banned twice, not thrice. When I was a global moderator, I admitted scamming $8 (this has been refunded) when I first joined Sythe, this was something I wouldn't have been caught for, but I wanted to come clean. The second time I was banned was because of "self vouching." I never did "self vouch," what happened is my IRL friend who was a moderator at the time vouched me for a trade that actually happened, later on, I noticed it might be a problem, so I deleted it. I could have prevented the entire ordeal if I just edited in "this was an IRL vouch," but I guess it didn't count, and I was banned. I'm not trying to be cocky, but I would like to think I'm one of the most active moderators on the team. I've gotten the highest modscore last month, and I currently have a higher modscore than I did last month. I'm online pretty much everyday, and I do my job to the best of my ability.

I agree that you are a good mod yes, it's just the principle of the fact that if it was ANY other member, and they scammed this "$8" you speak of, they would most likely not get unbanned, let alone EVER have a chance of getting to be a mod or anything. Sythe bans people for spamming, but the real threat out there is all the scamming that is going on, and then they let the scammers right back in. Makes completely no sense. Just because someone speaks their mind and tells people off, that means they're untrustworthy and they are a threat to sythe? I think not. The mods need to worry more about the real threats than spamming.

But more on topic now. Yes there are a lot of inactive mods and they should be suspended until they are less busy. The mods I really ever see doing anything (not to single anyone out, just my own speculations.) is Video, Wulf, DJ, and that's pretty much it. I'm sure that the other mods do stuff behind the scenes and so on and so forth. Just my speculation.

 

[SuF]

But more on topic now. Yes there are a lot of inactive mods and they should be suspended until they are less busy. The mods I really ever see doing anything (not to single anyone out, just my own speculations.) is Video, Wulf, DJ, and that's pretty much it. I'm sure that the other mods do stuff behind the scenes and so on and so forth. Just my speculation.

No there isn't. All of our moderators are active. If they become inactive it may take a couple months for us to demote them so that they can have a chance to become active again or to allow some period in their life (like finals or a stressful time at a new job, etc) to pass while they are still contributing while they can. We allow people to try to continue contributing if they are busy to see if it works and if it doesn't then we take action instead of just axing them in the first place because many times they are able to find enough time for the site and we don't want to get rid of dedicated members that are willing to find time.