Enforced Uniform

[JohnK]

Are enforced school uniforms a good idea?

State why.

 

[owen.w]

GOOD

simple: its better to fit along in the crowd and also these days a lot of girls tend to wear really innapropriate outfits to school which is ridiculous. Secondly when people see this they will have a better image with the school.

Question:

in your sig, what is fm?

 

[adamh]

I went to a forced uniform highschool and let me tell you, it was actually not bad, every morning I'd get up and not have to worry about what to wear.

 

Yes, I think it's a good idea;

1. You don't need to worry about you're going to wear.
2. Cancels out students wearing inappropriate clothing.
3. Students wont feel isolated and/or bullied because they're not wearing the latest fashion, or they're not wearing nice clothes, etc.
4. Prepares them for the future when they need to put on uniforms.
5. Saves parents money.
6. Less time consuming.

Even though there are some cons, I think the the pro's outweigh them.

This article probably explains it better: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/are-school-uniforms-good-or-bad-idea.html

 

[SuF]

Yes, I think it's a good idea;

1. You don't need to worry about you're going to wear.
2. Cancels out students wearing inappropriate clothing.
3. Students wont feel isolated and/or bullied because they're not wearing the latest fashion, or they're not wearing nice clothes, etc.
4. Prepares them for the future when they need to put on uniforms.
5. Saves parents money.
6. Less time consuming.

Even though there are some cons, I think the the pro's outweigh them.

This article probably explains it better: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/are-school-uniforms-good-or-bad-idea.html

Did you forget that enforced school uniforms are a violation of my free speech rights as an American going to a government funded school?

1. I don't give a shit what I wear. I just put on whatever is on top of the pile.
2. It's really not that hard to enforce a dress code if you keep some shitty t-shirts laying around.
3. I wear paint / oil / grease / stained clothing to school all the time. Most of the shirts I wear were free and if someone had a problem with that, then fuck them. Just because I don't bow down to society doesn't mean your better than me.
4. Where do you think they are going to work? Burger King? More and more offices are becoming more and more lax about dress policies. I mean Mark from Facebook didn't wear a tie until Obama told him to.
5. No, it doesn't. The argument that uniforms cost less is flawed as you still need to own just as many "street cloths" as if you didn't have a uniform. Your not going to wear your uniform during the summer or on weekends. So you are just adding more expense to already stretched budgets.
6. I have no idea what you mean by this point.

 

[Gurtaton]

Did you forget that enforced school uniforms are a violation of my free speech rights as an American going to a government funded school?

This isn't about America.

1. I don't give a shit what I wear. I just put on whatever is on top of the pile.

You are one of many.

2. It's really not that hard to enforce a dress code if you keep some shitty t-shirts laying around.

Easier to enforce with a uniform.

3. I wear paint / oil / grease / stained clothing to school all the time. Most of the shirts I wear were free and if someone had a problem with that, then fuck them. Just because I don't bow down to society doesn't mean your better than me.

Again, you are one of many. Just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else is the same way. IMO, if I saw someone wear stained clothes like that, I would be under the impression that he/she's a very disorganized person, and would avoid him/her. That's just the way I see it. I'm sure other people care less about stuff like that.

 

[Herman Li]

I went to a Catholic school so I wore uniforms almost everyday. It sucked but the uniforms weren't bad and yeah, it helped me skip the morning rush for a search for clothes. My school sucked in particular though, because on "dress-down days", we had to pay $5 to dress down -_-..

 

1. I don't give a shit what I wear. I just put on whatever is on top of the pile.
2. It's really not that hard to enforce a dress code if you keep some shitty t-shirts laying around.
3. I wear paint / oil / grease / stained clothing to school all the time. Most of the shirts I wear were free and if someone had a problem with that, then fuck them. Just because I don't bow down to society doesn't mean your better than me.
4. Where do you think they are going to work? Burger King? More and more offices are becoming more and more lax about dress policies. I mean Mark from Facebook didn't wear a tie until Obama told him to.
5. No, it doesn't. The argument that uniforms cost less is flawed as you still need to own just as many "street cloths" as if you didn't have a uniform. Your not going to wear your uniform during the summer or on weekends. So you are just adding more expense to already stretched budgets.
6. I have no idea what you mean by this point.

1. Good to know, but not all students are like you. Some worry a lot about what they should wear and they spend a considerable amount of time on it.
3. Lol, like I said, some students aren't like you, some of them take those remarks very seriously.
4. Hmm? I'm pretty sure some offices would require them to wear proper attire.
5. Well, considering they need the clothes on weekends mostly, I don't think they would need as much as they would 7 days of the week.
6. You wake up knowing what you're going to wear, etc. I should have merged this with point #1.

 

[SuF]

This isn't about America.

Freedom of expression isn't a universal human right?

You are one of many.

Right. Many.

Easier to enforce with a uniform.

Not really. What happens when people come to school out of uniform? They have to have extra uniforms on site to force students to put on. That's much more costly than some over sized T-shirts and gym shorts.

Again, you are one of many. Just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else is the same way. IMO, if I saw someone wear stained clothes like that, I would be under the impression that he/she's a very disorganized person, and would avoid him/her. That's just the way I see it. I'm sure other people care less about stuff like that.

I'm not disorganized, I just don't give a shit what I look like. People pay big money for cloths with paint on them already, so what makes the cloths I put on that I painted myself any different? I'm skip my whole speech and just say its a sad day when people judge others based on what they wear. Get to know them first.

1. Good to know, but not all students are like you. Some worry a lot about what they should wear and they spend a considerable amount of time on it.

And a uniform helps this how? There are going to be people who hate the uniform because they feel like they look shitty in it and will feel awful every day in school and feel like they are being judged. Making everyone the same will just bring out their inequalities and those who are self conscious will fare poorly as they will no longer have a choice in what they wear to make themselves feel better about how they look.

3. Lol, like I said, some students aren't like you, some of them take those remarks very seriously.

Which is another reason uniforms are a stupid idea.

4. Hmm? I'm pretty sure some offices would require them to wear proper attire.

Proper attire is different than a uniform. Much different. It is a socially defined set of expectations about what you can and can not wear. It is just a stricter dress code not a mandated uniform.

5. Well, considering they need the clothes on weekends mostly, I don't think they would need as much as they would 7 days of the week.

I knew you would make that argument. During summer, you need cloths 7 days a week. Thus, you will need to own enough cloths to dress 7 days a week even though for most of the year you will only be wearing them two days a week. That means for most of the year 5 days a week worth of cloths and money for those cloths will be going to waste.

 

[Gurtaton]

Freedom of expression isn't a universal human right?

You specifically mentioned America. Anyway, it's your decision if you wanna go to that school or not (unless your parents force you to or something), and I honestly don't see how a uniform could be bothersome.

Right. Many.

Perhaps you missed my point. Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody else cares either.

Not really. What happens when people come to school out of uniform? They have to have extra uniforms on site to force students to put on. That's much more costly than some over sized T-shirts and gym shorts.

And how often does this happen? Once you establish it, it'll be extremely rare to see a student come wearing something else. Also, this would make him/her stand out WAY more, because everyone else would be wearing uniforms, thus making him feel uncomfortable.

I'm not disorganized, I just don't give a shit what I look like. People pay big money for cloths with paint on them already, so what makes the cloths I put on that I painted myself any different? I'm skip my whole speech and just say its a sad day when people judge others based on what they wear. Get to know them first.

"Looks can be deceiving," doesn't apply to everyone.

And a uniform helps this how? There are going to be people who hate the uniform because they feel like they look shitty in it and will feel awful every day in school and feel like they are being judged. Making everyone the same will just bring out their inequalities and those who are self conscious will fare poorly as they will no longer have a choice in what they wear to make themselves feel better about how they look.

The hell? Absolutely no. Nobody would be saying, "Hey, your clothes suck." As for making fun of other people's faces, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT, except perhaps doing something ABOUT THE BULLIES.

Bring out their inequalities? Please do expand on this.

Which is another reason uniforms are a stupid idea.

Be more clear. How exactly does it make it stupid, when you could be blaming the person for being so self conscious about what other people think? It's ridiculous IMO. You can't blame either of them.

 

[Quester4Free]

I had to wear a uniform from kindergarten to the end of high school, it's not that bad. It's a lot easier to wake up and just say "Okay I'm wearing this, everyone else is too" then to have to spend tons of time deciding what to wear.

 

And a uniform helps this how? There are going to be people who hate the uniform because they feel like they look shitty in it and will feel awful every day in school and feel like they are being judged. Making everyone the same will just bring out their inequalities and those who are self conscious will fare poorly as they will no longer have a choice in what they wear to make themselves feel better about how they look.

Actually knowing everyone is going to wear the same thing as you gives confidence to some people. Are you getting to bullying? I'm just saying, some students will always pick on other students no matter what they're wearing. It's not so much about the clothes, it's more about the kids who pick on others insecurities, that will happen with or without the uniform. (But, other students can't say "Hey, your clothes look retarded." Lol)

Which is another reason uniforms are a stupid idea.

You're blaming the uniforms for that? It's not the students fault he's sensitive to those types of remarks. The fact is some people take those remarks very seriously, and with the uniform enforced I doubt students will pick on other students for not wearing the latest fashion, not wearing nice clothes, etc.

Proper attire is different than a uniform. Much different. It is a socially defined set of expectations about what you can and can not wear. It is just a stricter dress code not a mandated uniform.

Okay, than I'm pretty sure some offices would require them to wear uniforms?

I knew you would make that argument. During summer, you need cloths 7 days a week. Thus, you will need to own enough cloths to dress 7 days a week even though for most of the year you will only be wearing them two days a week. That means for most of the year 5 days a week worth of cloths and money for those cloths will be going to waste.

How long do you think Summer is? It's 2 1/2 months where I am. I doubt people are going to use a differant piece of clothing every single day of summer, I'm sure they'll use multiple combinations, etc.

 

[Noam]

Yes, I think it's a good idea;

1. You don't need to worry about you're going to wear.
2. Cancels out students wearing inappropriate clothing.
3. Students wont feel isolated and/or bullied because they're not wearing the latest fashion, or they're not wearing nice clothes, etc.
4. Prepares them for the future when they need to put on uniforms.
5. Saves parents money.
6. Less time consuming.

Even though there are some cons, I think the the pro's outweigh them.

This article probably explains it better: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/are-school-uniforms-good-or-bad-idea.html

1. If someone thinks about what they will wear, it is their sole responsibility to be able to be on time for school
2. What's wrong with inappropriate clothing? As long as it's slightly more than a bikini, I don't mind at all - assuming it's girls wearing the inappropriate clothes .
3. Those students can choose to change their dress habits. If they can't afford to, then they will just have to bear the shit out. They would probably get bullied for something else if they can't get bullied for clothes.
4. Does wearing uniforms need preparation? It seems like something that you will get used to after forgetting once or twice.
5. No it doesn't, the uniforms often have to be custom designed with logos and shit, and since only a few thousand uniforms need to be sold, the price of manufacturing one of them goes up.
6. I'll consider that merged with 1, like you said.

In all honesty, I did have to go to a uniformed school once, but the uniform was just a T-shirt with the school logo printed on it, so It was alright.

 

[GrammarSyntax]

I will try to give an opinion without the use of superfluous language.

I have always gone to schools where uniform is compulsory, although we do have "Home clothes days" every few months, so I will compare my experiences with these rare home clothes days to my experiences with everyday school life.

I find that with non flamboyant uniform, people who are socially timid tend to seem more confident during school days, whilst during home clothes days they seem reluctant in terms of social interaction. I have noticed females tend to have "competitions" with each other as to whom in their opinion has the "best outfit" so to say. However, this trend seems to die out as you age.

I am currently joining sixth form, where suits of your choice can be worn. For example you will be allowed to wear a pink shirt with a yellow two piece suit and a bow tie if you wish to do so. Wearing a suit in general makes you feel more mature and I think it is a brilliant form of semi-enforced dress code. Many students at my school look up to the sixth formers because they have more freedom in terms of what they wear.

In conclusion, I would highly suggest semi-enforced uniform in the form of more choice to be used in schools. This allows more choice and freedom but at the same time should prevent serious bullying or competitive dressing.

 

1. If someone thinks about what they will wear, it is their sole responsibility to be able to be on time for school
2. What's wrong with inappropriate clothing? As long as it's slightly more than a bikini, I don't mind at all - assuming it's girls wearing the inappropriate clothes .
3. Those students can choose to change their dress habits. If they can't afford to, then they will just have to bear the shit out. They would probably get bullied for something else if they can't get bullied for clothes.
4. Does wearing uniforms need preparation? It seems like something that you will get used to after forgetting once or twice.
5. No it doesn't, the uniforms often have to be custom designed with logos and shit, and since only a few thousand uniforms need to be sold, the price of manufacturing one of them goes up.

1. Who said anything about being late to school? This will decrease their worries.
2. I don't care if you like it, the school doesn't approve of it.
3. Wow, you're suggesting someone change themselves so people can like them for someone they're not? Uh, that's a horrible way.
4. Eh, you'll get used to the routine.
5. Lol? You only need to buy one, once a year. They aren't even that expensive...

 

[GrammarSyntax]

1. Who said anything about being late to school? This will decrease their worries.
2. I don't care if you like it, the school doesn't approve of it.
3. Wow, you're suggesting someone change themselves so people can like them for someone they're not? Uh, that's a horrible way.
4. Eh, you'll get used to the routine.
5. Lol? You only need to buy one, once a year. They aren't even that expensive...

100% Agreed. to the person who thinks they are expensive, what on earth are you thinking?

Buying designer clothes or clothes in general constantly costs far less than any uniform.

 

[Noam]

1. Who said anything about being late to school? This will decrease their worries.
2. I don't care if you like it, the school doesn't approve of it.
3. Wow, you're suggesting someone change themselves so people can like them for someone they're not? Uh, that's a horrible way.
4. Eh, you'll get used to the routine.
5. Lol? You only need to buy one, once a year. They aren't even that expensive...

1. You said "some people spend a considerable amount of time on it". That's obviously a problem.
2. On a more serious note, the school can easily enforce a dress code (EG no stomach showing, pants must be longer than the distance between your waist and fingertips...)
3. Yes I am. It may sound horrible, but I know from experience that faking something has more pros than cons.
4. You are agreeing with me, so I won't say anything.
5. You only need to buy at least 5, once a year. Do you really expect me to wear the exact same clothes every day for an entire year? How often would you buy clothes normally? Only the richest of the rich can afford to buy clothes in all 26 fashion seasons.

 

[-Ryan]

I think that wearing uniforms to school is an awful idea.

1. Students would not be able to express themselves much with uniforms.
2. US Specific: Free country, shouldn't be forced to wear something.
3. Dress Codes are not hard to enforce.
4. It's boring to see everyone wearing the same thing.

 

[GrammarSyntax]

1. You said "some people spend a considerable amount of time on it". That's obviously a problem.
2. On a more serious note, the school can easily enforce a dress code (EG no stomach showing, pants must be longer than the distance between your waist and fingertips...)
3. Yes I am. It may sound horrible, but I know from experience that faking something has more pros than cons.
4. You are agreeing with me, so I won't say anything.
5. You only need to buy at least 5, once a year. Do you really expect me to wear the exact same clothes every day for an entire year? How often would you buy clothes normally? Only the richest of the rich can afford to buy clothes in all 26 fashion seasons.

A dress code has nothing to do with someone's stomach showing. You mean having a shirt which is suitable enough in length to prevent the stomach from being revealed?

Do you wear school uniform 365.5 days a year? No. Your argument is redundant.

Are you being forced to buy these clothes? No. Your argument is invalid.

 

1. You said "some people spend a considerable amount of time on it". That's obviously a problem.
2. On a more serious note, the school can easily enforce a dress code (EG no stomach showing, pants must be longer than the distance between your waist and fingertips...)
3. Yes I am. It may sound horrible, but I know from experience that faking something has more pros than cons.
4. You are agreeing with me, so I won't say anything.
5. You only need to buy at least 5, once a year. Do you really expect me to wear the exact same clothes every day for an entire year? How often would you buy clothes normally? Only the richest of the rich can afford to buy clothes in all 26 fashion seasons.

1. So? That doesn't mean you're late to school? Also, uniforms will cut that down.
2. It's easier to enforce a dress code, like Gurtaton said.
3. Wow, you shouldn't change yourself just to make others like you... it's pathetic. People should like you for who you are, not who you're not...
4. Oh, sure, buy one or two more extra pairs, it's not that expensive anyway. Besides, I'm sure buying MORE sets of regular clothing isn't as expensive as that... (Sarcasm)