Dumby1 banned.

[Unregistered Dumby1]

Hello.

I got banned and it says that I got unbanned 22.09.2012
Now lets start, im banned for nothing.

Thread what made me banned: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1468445

I never scammed anybody.
Now let me make quick pictures.

Pictures from our convo.

On that picture u can see that he saw that the code he gave me was invalid.
*Väljaläinud kõne: Just Hope 01:10 (Outgoing call)
It was an skype screen share thing and I showed him that it was invalid.
It was a start.
*Kõne on lõppenud. Kestus: 00:21 (Call has ended. Duration: 00:21)
(U can use google translate for this, its Estonian)

And why would sum 1 give me 3 different codes if I only ordered one?
Also in that picture u can see that he just gave me 3 different pin codes when I only asked for one. What can it be?
My opinion: He just had another business with sum 1 else(he was kinda busy while we had some business), this sum 1 else used the code and he just posted this to his thread and said that I scammed him?

On that pic u can see that I dont hv to worry about this invalid.

I cant provide the video I was talking about on that picture becouse it was too long and didnt saved correctly or I dont even know what happened, program just closed itself.

Now let me ask u, who is sayin that he didnt had another customer at this when he has business with me? Becouse as u can see he saw that the code was invalid and I didnt even had a chance to try last one what is showed in his pic:

(This is the picture of an pin code which I didnt even use, its the one which he just gave me without asking it even when I had to redeem pins from picture:
*308244 or 308344

Im looking for answers why am I banned?
From those pictures u can see that theres nothing to do with pin he made a picture off:

All we tried was 308244(invalid) and 308344(was too late already, he saw it from screen share view)

And last question, as u can see from pictures then who would delete some body who hv "scammed or how ever u call it which didnt happen" and after he made thread and got me banned without showing alot of pictures?

Its very simple to make sum body a scammer this way.
Im rly looking for some good answers becouse Im banned again for absolute nothing!

E://
Thread what was made by that guy who says that im a scammer.
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1468445

My dispute thread where I didnt get any answers from moderators, only JustHope PM 's to Wulf:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1468593

First I was banned till 22.09.2012
Now it says im a scammer and wont get unbanned never again.

I never scammed that guy, I really didnt receive the membership from him and I never used that second code what he showed in his pictures.

ANYWAY I stop that. I wanna get unbanned, I have over 900 vouches, now my question is, why would I scam sumbody with 10m?
Where is the justice? Why am I perm banned now even when none hv gave me any chance to pay for that?

I didnt receive that membership at second, thats why I started arguing about it and made an dispute thread.
Victim or how should I call him, an actor deleted me so I cant pay him for his loss(10M Runescape GP)

And why I said I was banned again? Theres a thread:
http://ww3.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1461367
Ill pay him his money what he lost, unban me, give me an TWC if its nessesary, I just want to get unbanned.

And wulf, I told to Kevin to PM u with my contacts, somehow I sometimes cant get invites so please could u PM him back ur contacts or something so I can add u back? I wanna give this money to ur hands and u r paying to him, I can pay for MM fees if u wont trade otherwise.

My skype: seene.mees
My msn: [email protected]

And another question would be good to be answered too:
Why was my ban at first 22.09.2012 which was okay untill that second pm what JustHope PM 'ed u and my ban went from 22.09.2012 to Perm ban?

Best regards,
~Dumby1

 

I posted his PMs because I wanted you to reply to them.

I cant provide the video I was talking about on that picture becouse it was too long and didnt saved correctly or I dont even know what happened, program just closed itself.

Well, that's unfortunate, and really coincidental.

Also, on your invalid pins statement, this is his reponse:

he say : he tryed this code : 308244 ( wich is invalid ), then it was too late for the right code (308344) here because after 3 minutes its expire ??? Nope code never expire (with proof) since you can just restart the payment, re-enter the phone number, look if he know how to do like he told me be4

look at how is imposible to do an error ( there is no 3 minutes times don't lie ) i know what i am talking about.

step1 http://imageshack.us/a/img31/36/step1proceedbysms.png

step 2 http://imageshack.us/a/img254/234/step2mr.png

step 3 http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3118/step3y.png

step 4 http://imageshack.us/a/img826/7871/step4g.png

step 5 http://imageshack.us/a/img15/3415/step5a.png

step 6 http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1873/step6l.png

finally step 7 http://imageshack.us/a/img651/1908/step7jo.png

then enter the 3nd code that i gived you ( the code that you scammed me )

Anyway, I am also considering how trusted you are. So, I'm going to ask for more moderator opinions on this case. If you'd like to talk to me, come join the IRC.

Here is his other thread for reference, I'll be locking it: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1468593.

 

[18:57] <SytheGuest_2444> Hello sir.
[18:57] <SytheGuest_2444> R u there? Its me Dumby1
[18:58] <SytheGuest_2444> Im sorry for making another thread, I just dont know how to reply again becouse if I try it says that I hv to log in and when I do it says I dont hv a permission for this becouse im banned.
[19:00] <SytheGuest_2444> And the video what I was talking about, yes it was recording becouse Im allways recording my screen when im applying pins, its becouse when its invalid then I can prove that it rly was invalid, I start recording when Im about to start buying upgrades.
[19:02] <SytheGuest_2444> But unfortunately video was too long, my pc couldnt handle it or no idea what happened and when it was about to save it loaded for a while and just disappeared so it prob was an error what coused my slow pc, thats what I think why it didnt save.
[19:03] <SytheGuest_2444> And my english is not good at all so its rly hard to explain what rly happened. I bought from JustHope membership, first went well, then I was about to buy another one and it said its invalid, it was that invalid code what he gave me at first, he didnt wrote the code propertly.
[19:05] <SytheGuest_2444> He wanted to see it via Skype screen share view, I showed him and it said its invalid, when he told me to try that second one which should be correct it said to me that I used too many invalid codes and it pissed me off becouse he is sayin that it works but it actually did not and he saw it via screen share view.
[19:06] <SytheGuest_2444> Anyway, I got over 900 vouches, done so many upgrades with buying/selling em, got alot of red vouches in my vouches thread, they r 5+ upgrades.
[19:07] <SytheGuest_2444> And I didnt scam that guy, I just rly didnt get my membership and ofc I was about im not gonna pay for sth what I didnt receive, I was sure about that when I show that video then he will understand that it rly was like that.
[19:07] <SytheGuest_2444> Anyway, I would never scam anyone, he just deleted me after and thats it, hvnt had any chance to tell him that I can pay for his loss.
[19:08] <SytheGuest_2444> I wanna pay him for that and I wanna give this money to u so he cant say anything about that I hvnt paid him at all or what ever even when I did.
[19:11] <SytheGuest_2444> I swear that I am the victim ryt now becouse I didnt get my membership, no idea was it an jagex mistake or what ever, its fine. 10m isnt much so I dont mind for paying that and all becouse I am clean.
[19:12] <SytheGuest_2444> I ask for unban, I dont mind about TWC if it is rly nessesary, I just feel that I am banned for sth what I hvnt done(scamming).
[19:14] <SytheGuest_2444> Please sir, read it all. None hv made any scamming thread against me becouse I just never scammed.

Sorry I didn't see your messages. But, Dumby is saying he will refund that member, and accept a TwC. I see signs of good character.

Also, I received this over PM:

I would becareful dumby1 is only trusted because he sold fraudulent pins. He had a pin line that was leaked probably by discovery.ch.

Anyways far as I know dumby1 and npnk who is banned are in real life friends (or so I read on one of there threads at one time). Npnk logged into one of my accounts probably thinking it was my money mule. I had rsprod match his ip and I found a forum where a guy was banned for scamming which matched npnks IP because it was posted in the thread.

^anyways I know npnk is the scammer... but if they're real life buds... most likely they band together.. and when there fraudulent pins disappear they will probably go back to scamming. Also, when npnk was getting banned dumby1 self requested banned him self for months.. probably to take attention away from himself.. but he still traded daily as people continued to vouch on his thread.

I use to get upgrades from both of them.. 20-50 at a time.. and I truly believe both of them are pieces of shit.

Anyways just my two cents.

I'm open to any other staff opinions.

 

Alright, looking at everything over again, I don't think there's conclusive evidence that Dumby1 himself redeemed the code. He showed that he was having problems redeeming the second upgrade, while JustHope continued, and in the end JustHope was charged. This could be a mistake on JustHope's end, their could even be another third party involved, etc. the fact is that there isn't enough evidence to say that Dumby1 redeemed the code. Just before this trade, he did another trade with JustHope that went perfectly fine. Dumby1 has even offered to pay back the 10m, and receive a TwC if it's necessary, so I don't think he's the type of person to do this. I don't see why he would want to scam 10m anyway, because a person of his standard could make more legit, and if he wanted to scam, wouldn't do so for some measly amount. I don't understand why JustHope deleted Dumby1 off Skype in the end, anyway, because I wouldn't want to delete the person who scammed me. You can even take into consideration that Dumby1 is a big competitor to JustHope, so there a lot of things to consider about this case. In the end, I don't think there's enough proof that he redeemed the code. But, the timings of the scam do seem a little fishy, and I don't like how his video "didn't work." My final decision is to unban Dumby1 with a disputable TwC.

Note: Also, I'd like to Dumby1 to pay 5m to JustHope. You can contact me in the IRC and give me the money if you'd like, then I can give it to JustHope. Taking into consideration on everything stated above, I don't think you need to pay JustHope full price.

 

Unarchiving this real quick. I have received the 5m from Dumby1, and will pay JustHope as soon as possible. I'll update this thread again when he's been paid.

 

I have given the 5m to JustHope:

http://i.imgur.com/9KOWV.png
http://i.imgur.com/sn2rP.png
http://i.imgur.com/X4xmQ.png
http://i.imgur.com/qPngs.png

This dispute is officially dealt with.