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*sigh* I dont even know where to start because i dont want to miscatagorize my request.
**This post was written in the span of 3 hours and was written with breaks in between because of all the information neccisary needed to prove my case** (Sorry for how long it is, but I've made it as short as I could have)
Well my real username : Kills
Is no longer in my position and basically would like a password re-mailed to me.
Thats basically what I ask for, but now your thinking why would he do that when he can just go on the forgot password link and get it automatically generated to him by E-mail. Well this is where I think it is necissary to deviate in order to explain as to the reason for why I am writing this.
But before I do so, I will simply explain why the forgot password thing wont work. Well because when I enter in my E-mail it simply says it's not found in the database, reason for that probably being, is that my E-mail address was changed from my personal information, and on a side note while not important now but will be when I further explain my situation, my MSN and AIM contact info was changed, as well as my signature and avatar. Everything else is as should be. *beyond this point is sensitive information*
About a week ago I took a sudden interest in actually wanting to maybe purchase a very high level Runescape account, aware of all the risks and such. I also had a pretty decent stat wise account and as well as a couple of mills and a yellow party hat on it, now I did not expect to find a one i might be interested but for the heck of it i just looked around. Then I found a username going by the name of Taton selling a very lovely account that I took a good interest in. The link to that thread is here http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=402538(and if you read all the posts I guess it will help you understand the situation more, especially the 2nd and 3rd pages). In any case, as with anyone I deal with I look at their history and what people say about them and such. On that post I found 2 people outright claiming Taton is a scammer as well as engaged in previous criminalistic activity through RS account sales and so fourth.
So I do a bit more digging through the posts he made and find he wanted to sell Mills to R2Pleasent, but never was it vouched by R2Pleasant that the offer has been done or successful, the only real vouch was that he donated 7M to R2, in which i have no doubt in, but as for selling the mills he had in store. I doubt that. So I found that kind of fishy in the first place but somewhat making sense, a vouch from someone like R2 is definately considered upon, but while being a mere donating, it does'nt guarantee validity in any other sector of the black market really. And what better way to silence those who have evidence against you than by getting a vouch from someone like R2? There is currently in that thread a ton of evidence against this person enough for a IP ban, but I saw that it was'nt happening even though I saw the exact same account for sale on craigslist as i randomly like to search on about. And surely enough I found the same account for sale after he agreed already to sell to the other people before me on the thread and after they reported him, even after that reporting about him, the date of the craigslist posting was there, but currently gone.
I was basically convinced in my own mind that this guy was scamming money for accounts he would later recover, even if he did go first which he never did, he knew that it was still possible to recover even after the sale has been made, and that is what he did with one of the guys on the thread from what I see. Also he's tried selling other accounts in his first posts on sythe, but as to the fate of those accounts, I have no concern, nor any justification to argue upon, nor would I want to bother myself as I believe the evidence I am currently presenting will be enough.
In any case, I took it upon myself to see why he is still around and to get rid of him, by almost any means. So I offered up my account to trade for his(sadly i will reveal my true account name and status for the users in charge of the dispute forum's decisions later in the post, as we know this puts me at a serious risk with Jagex if they ever were bothered enough to look around and find my account as it is in real trouble from the amount of black marks I currently have on it because of profanity that I took part in long ago as a younger person, but I hope who ever here reads this, has the courtisy or dignity to do me the justice and delete or hide contents of this post after a judgement has been made). Now, at that time, I had speculation of how he operates, and that is through selling accounts and scamming with them for as long as he is either caught or the account lost to him. I also speculated that the prospect of my account would be worth much more to him in terms of exploiting it's value for real money, than it was to me.
So at first I contacted him through MSN ([email protected]) and talked about how I wanted it. Him being impatient and on edge from all the "spam" from his point of view on his thread lead him to "close the thread" because of the "unbelievable amount of 10-12 year olds around here". So naturally he first wanted to varify that the account I was offering was even real. Me being in the warriors guild and trying to get back a rune defender I lost at death when losing also around 50M in cash and items while going for a gree gree enchantment in the caves (link for the post I made about it in the general forum for the purpose of having to talk about something:http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=402591) and wearing rune armor in there, made him laugh and didnt think it was as I claimed and I then showed him the stuff and he was satisfied.
We then held conversations over the phone in a span of 3 days i believe, and on the first through getting to know him and such, he was convinced I wasnt one of those annoying 12 year olds wasting his time. Now as to a few notes about my account, its really nothing special, it has pretty OK stats and the major attraction would be the party hat and like 15M in items and such. I could see that he could use this as an account he might want to sell in the future and that trading this account for his, was highly unlikely as my account in my thought was not equivilant in value as his. But you know he went on talking about how he does'nt really care about money, and thats why he wants my account because he thinks its worth more than his. In the end I can see that my suspicions were becoming more of the reality I thought they were.
So we decided to play the trust game, I wasnt particularly worried, but it was necsisary I had to act like it in order to make him feel he was gaining my trust. In any case, we got on one another's accounts(just password exchanging) and had fun no doubt on my part. So then he tells me hey, I like the account and all but could you just leave your password the same over the weekend so I can like think about if I really want the account(in my head I was just wondering, how big of a fool does he take me for, so I decide to go ahead and say yeah sure ill leave me and you leave yours, as I knew he fully trusted me by now) little did I know but only suspect that he was actually already making a craigslist posting or some other forum about selling my account already without actually owning it. And this link when I found it today confirmed my suspicions about why he wanted the weekend to think about it. It was obvious he wanted to pull a scam on some other person whether or not he had the account fully, as long as the money was first sent to him, he would'nt care about if he had my account in the end in case I decided to maybe distrust him later on, either way he would still have his 1st account and still made a buck off messing with mine. Oh and heres the link for that posting to prove my point. (Mods or Admins please edit this part or delete this part of my post, because it fully reveals my account and the sensitive info that can lead to it's permanant ban) http://detroit.craigslist.org/sys/673636543.html as you can see the contact info he provides is the same as the one here on the forums or similar nonetheless. (on a side note i have taken a picture so i can use as evidence after the post listing has expired on that site)
But back to the time when we were messing with one another's accounts...
So after about 2 days of messing around and all, I thought about what I would do to bring this guy down, yes I did have suspicions but they were not plausable enough to warrant a ban from here. Now I could have just pissed him off for the trouble he's put through others by dropping all his items on his account and telling others the password to that account(this account's username is Gr Balla by the way, sorry for being to late to bring that up). But as the optimist in me sometimes like to come out of nowhere at random places, I thought about a future time, where he would see that the account he has is a very nice one and should give up his fraudulent ways and play the game for the reason he liked it in the first place, or sell the account to someone the right way, but who knows if that will ever happen. In any case, I still wanted to bring him down and ban him from here at least if nothing else. I was hoping he would slip up sometime with something, but it was all going OK, without any hard evidence until last night.
Again we talk over the phone as we always have, and he says if he can use my sythe account. I wanted inquire as to the reason for such a proposal, he claims it's because he wants to sell PINS, and when i attempt to ask him, but dude, why my account, he loses his temper as with previous times he had, anytime I tried to question him, and goes on bringing up how trustful he is by letting me go on his account. I saw that this was the chance i needed to finally prove once and for all that this guy is 100% fraudulent and his plans were not as flawless as he liked to believe. But to do this i needed to hold his trust for a little longer, and for that to happen I had to apologize for questioning him and giving access to my sythe account. Now before I did this, I asked him, if this is because of those other people spamming your thread calling you a scammer, ill gladly mini vouch that your trustworthy enough to let me go on your account and you on mine, but that just angered him, he yelled back saying I TOLD YOU I JUST WANT TO SELL PINS STOP PISSING ME OFF ALREADY.
So he goes on my sythe account, while i observe my post count from the website 3 posts were made, and one was edited. Those three posts were all by him, and the proof is the one the user presented with a picture of my MSN conversation with him of me telling him to tell everyone on sythe that it is not me on that account anymore. He changes my sig, and he changes my avatar, he also goes on changing my MSN and AIM contact, and puts "[email protected]... It is also evident if you read my real posts, and the posts he made with my account, the tone I use is never like that, and the edited message gives more testimony to that. You can see that the tone he used with my account, is the same kind of one, that he's had while using his own real one.
So I talk with him again, and tell him, you didnt say you were going to do this (as if I really cared at all, but in fact was happy I had him now, and it was all over for him, even at the temporary (I'm hoping) expense of losing my account, because when i tried to login or recover my password, it was obvious that he changed the registration E-mail I had set-up), he then goes on talking, oh come on this isnt a drama stop your whining I just want to shut these people up so they can lay off my case. Then he goes to vouch himself using my account. Claiming I bought it with cash, when it that in fact was so stupid of him, because we never dealt with cash at all, but I guess even the best con artists make mistakes and slip ups in dire situations. He could now see that I had no trust in him at all, and he didnt care, because he still had access to my RS account as well (little did he know I changed the password while he was realizing that I dont trust him anymore (not that I really did ever in the first place, at least not with fully selling me the account for mine) so my RS account was and still is hopefully going to stay safe).
And now I am here...confused and sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but this is an exceptional case from what I can guess. Also, to make it easier for you mods or admins to trace the last IP logged from my Kills sythe account, his real IP address is: 71-89-140-10.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com
While i believe he is over a WiFi connection based on the pic of his OS in the craigslist post i mentioned above, I have no doubt he has definatley logged through this IP on his and my account, so if he has, that I guess is another piece of evidence I offer to you. His MSN as you all might have also known by now is [email protected]
You can also find his yahoo and AIM on the link of the craigslist post I mentioned earlier.
I can also provide MSN conversations. But that is what will get this post locked as mentioned in the scammer forum sticky so I wont use it.
If any mod or admin would like to see some of them I can gladly provide them to you, and also if there ever was a need to contact me personally, my MSN is [email protected], and AIM is The1stHere.
I thank you and would like to remind you that this post was made for the sake of getting back the sythe account rightfully mine. Also and more importantly, that this guy's (Trent Thomas AKA Taton here) IP and accounts are banned as you can see he is very well rounded and experienced in dealing out scams and quite good dangerous for everyone eles because of it. Also editting the craigslist posting link out of this message would make me feel more safer if it was deleted, that is after you (the person who will judge) has deemed no more use for it. Lastly I hope that an E-mail be sent to the original E-mail used to register the account "Kills" which is [email protected] containing the new password for me so I can get back on the forums without having my reputation damaged, after all, this was my the main point of this post, but my main goal was to get Taton out of here, but I counldnt do that without posting here, and I couldnt post here to prove that he is a scammer as because this isnt a scammer reporting forum and so that is why I had to include this info, for the sake of recovering my account, and hopefully if not here, then in the scammer report forum, for the sake of getting Taton banned and never back here.
Thank you for reading and again apologize for taking so much time up with a single post.
**small sidenote** the image code we got to enter in order to post...it asks to type it in the opposite order, well i typed it in the proper way, left to right, and it came out as approved.
**This post was written in the span of 3 hours and was written with breaks in between because of all the information neccisary needed to prove my case** (Sorry for how long it is, but I've made it as short as I could have)
Well my real username : Kills
Is no longer in my position and basically would like a password re-mailed to me.
Thats basically what I ask for, but now your thinking why would he do that when he can just go on the forgot password link and get it automatically generated to him by E-mail. Well this is where I think it is necissary to deviate in order to explain as to the reason for why I am writing this.
But before I do so, I will simply explain why the forgot password thing wont work. Well because when I enter in my E-mail it simply says it's not found in the database, reason for that probably being, is that my E-mail address was changed from my personal information, and on a side note while not important now but will be when I further explain my situation, my MSN and AIM contact info was changed, as well as my signature and avatar. Everything else is as should be. *beyond this point is sensitive information*
About a week ago I took a sudden interest in actually wanting to maybe purchase a very high level Runescape account, aware of all the risks and such. I also had a pretty decent stat wise account and as well as a couple of mills and a yellow party hat on it, now I did not expect to find a one i might be interested but for the heck of it i just looked around. Then I found a username going by the name of Taton selling a very lovely account that I took a good interest in. The link to that thread is here http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=402538(and if you read all the posts I guess it will help you understand the situation more, especially the 2nd and 3rd pages). In any case, as with anyone I deal with I look at their history and what people say about them and such. On that post I found 2 people outright claiming Taton is a scammer as well as engaged in previous criminalistic activity through RS account sales and so fourth.
So I do a bit more digging through the posts he made and find he wanted to sell Mills to R2Pleasent, but never was it vouched by R2Pleasant that the offer has been done or successful, the only real vouch was that he donated 7M to R2, in which i have no doubt in, but as for selling the mills he had in store. I doubt that. So I found that kind of fishy in the first place but somewhat making sense, a vouch from someone like R2 is definately considered upon, but while being a mere donating, it does'nt guarantee validity in any other sector of the black market really. And what better way to silence those who have evidence against you than by getting a vouch from someone like R2? There is currently in that thread a ton of evidence against this person enough for a IP ban, but I saw that it was'nt happening even though I saw the exact same account for sale on craigslist as i randomly like to search on about. And surely enough I found the same account for sale after he agreed already to sell to the other people before me on the thread and after they reported him, even after that reporting about him, the date of the craigslist posting was there, but currently gone.
I was basically convinced in my own mind that this guy was scamming money for accounts he would later recover, even if he did go first which he never did, he knew that it was still possible to recover even after the sale has been made, and that is what he did with one of the guys on the thread from what I see. Also he's tried selling other accounts in his first posts on sythe, but as to the fate of those accounts, I have no concern, nor any justification to argue upon, nor would I want to bother myself as I believe the evidence I am currently presenting will be enough.
In any case, I took it upon myself to see why he is still around and to get rid of him, by almost any means. So I offered up my account to trade for his(sadly i will reveal my true account name and status for the users in charge of the dispute forum's decisions later in the post, as we know this puts me at a serious risk with Jagex if they ever were bothered enough to look around and find my account as it is in real trouble from the amount of black marks I currently have on it because of profanity that I took part in long ago as a younger person, but I hope who ever here reads this, has the courtisy or dignity to do me the justice and delete or hide contents of this post after a judgement has been made). Now, at that time, I had speculation of how he operates, and that is through selling accounts and scamming with them for as long as he is either caught or the account lost to him. I also speculated that the prospect of my account would be worth much more to him in terms of exploiting it's value for real money, than it was to me.
So at first I contacted him through MSN ([email protected]) and talked about how I wanted it. Him being impatient and on edge from all the "spam" from his point of view on his thread lead him to "close the thread" because of the "unbelievable amount of 10-12 year olds around here". So naturally he first wanted to varify that the account I was offering was even real. Me being in the warriors guild and trying to get back a rune defender I lost at death when losing also around 50M in cash and items while going for a gree gree enchantment in the caves (link for the post I made about it in the general forum for the purpose of having to talk about something:http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=402591) and wearing rune armor in there, made him laugh and didnt think it was as I claimed and I then showed him the stuff and he was satisfied.
We then held conversations over the phone in a span of 3 days i believe, and on the first through getting to know him and such, he was convinced I wasnt one of those annoying 12 year olds wasting his time. Now as to a few notes about my account, its really nothing special, it has pretty OK stats and the major attraction would be the party hat and like 15M in items and such. I could see that he could use this as an account he might want to sell in the future and that trading this account for his, was highly unlikely as my account in my thought was not equivilant in value as his. But you know he went on talking about how he does'nt really care about money, and thats why he wants my account because he thinks its worth more than his. In the end I can see that my suspicions were becoming more of the reality I thought they were.
So we decided to play the trust game, I wasnt particularly worried, but it was necsisary I had to act like it in order to make him feel he was gaining my trust. In any case, we got on one another's accounts(just password exchanging) and had fun no doubt on my part. So then he tells me hey, I like the account and all but could you just leave your password the same over the weekend so I can like think about if I really want the account(in my head I was just wondering, how big of a fool does he take me for, so I decide to go ahead and say yeah sure ill leave me and you leave yours, as I knew he fully trusted me by now) little did I know but only suspect that he was actually already making a craigslist posting or some other forum about selling my account already without actually owning it. And this link when I found it today confirmed my suspicions about why he wanted the weekend to think about it. It was obvious he wanted to pull a scam on some other person whether or not he had the account fully, as long as the money was first sent to him, he would'nt care about if he had my account in the end in case I decided to maybe distrust him later on, either way he would still have his 1st account and still made a buck off messing with mine. Oh and heres the link for that posting to prove my point. (Mods or Admins please edit this part or delete this part of my post, because it fully reveals my account and the sensitive info that can lead to it's permanant ban) http://detroit.craigslist.org/sys/673636543.html as you can see the contact info he provides is the same as the one here on the forums or similar nonetheless. (on a side note i have taken a picture so i can use as evidence after the post listing has expired on that site)
But back to the time when we were messing with one another's accounts...
So after about 2 days of messing around and all, I thought about what I would do to bring this guy down, yes I did have suspicions but they were not plausable enough to warrant a ban from here. Now I could have just pissed him off for the trouble he's put through others by dropping all his items on his account and telling others the password to that account(this account's username is Gr Balla by the way, sorry for being to late to bring that up). But as the optimist in me sometimes like to come out of nowhere at random places, I thought about a future time, where he would see that the account he has is a very nice one and should give up his fraudulent ways and play the game for the reason he liked it in the first place, or sell the account to someone the right way, but who knows if that will ever happen. In any case, I still wanted to bring him down and ban him from here at least if nothing else. I was hoping he would slip up sometime with something, but it was all going OK, without any hard evidence until last night.
Again we talk over the phone as we always have, and he says if he can use my sythe account. I wanted inquire as to the reason for such a proposal, he claims it's because he wants to sell PINS, and when i attempt to ask him, but dude, why my account, he loses his temper as with previous times he had, anytime I tried to question him, and goes on bringing up how trustful he is by letting me go on his account. I saw that this was the chance i needed to finally prove once and for all that this guy is 100% fraudulent and his plans were not as flawless as he liked to believe. But to do this i needed to hold his trust for a little longer, and for that to happen I had to apologize for questioning him and giving access to my sythe account. Now before I did this, I asked him, if this is because of those other people spamming your thread calling you a scammer, ill gladly mini vouch that your trustworthy enough to let me go on your account and you on mine, but that just angered him, he yelled back saying I TOLD YOU I JUST WANT TO SELL PINS STOP PISSING ME OFF ALREADY.
So he goes on my sythe account, while i observe my post count from the website 3 posts were made, and one was edited. Those three posts were all by him, and the proof is the one the user presented with a picture of my MSN conversation with him of me telling him to tell everyone on sythe that it is not me on that account anymore. He changes my sig, and he changes my avatar, he also goes on changing my MSN and AIM contact, and puts "[email protected]... It is also evident if you read my real posts, and the posts he made with my account, the tone I use is never like that, and the edited message gives more testimony to that. You can see that the tone he used with my account, is the same kind of one, that he's had while using his own real one.
So I talk with him again, and tell him, you didnt say you were going to do this (as if I really cared at all, but in fact was happy I had him now, and it was all over for him, even at the temporary (I'm hoping) expense of losing my account, because when i tried to login or recover my password, it was obvious that he changed the registration E-mail I had set-up), he then goes on talking, oh come on this isnt a drama stop your whining I just want to shut these people up so they can lay off my case. Then he goes to vouch himself using my account. Claiming I bought it with cash, when it that in fact was so stupid of him, because we never dealt with cash at all, but I guess even the best con artists make mistakes and slip ups in dire situations. He could now see that I had no trust in him at all, and he didnt care, because he still had access to my RS account as well (little did he know I changed the password while he was realizing that I dont trust him anymore (not that I really did ever in the first place, at least not with fully selling me the account for mine) so my RS account was and still is hopefully going to stay safe).
And now I am here...confused and sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but this is an exceptional case from what I can guess. Also, to make it easier for you mods or admins to trace the last IP logged from my Kills sythe account, his real IP address is: 71-89-140-10.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com
While i believe he is over a WiFi connection based on the pic of his OS in the craigslist post i mentioned above, I have no doubt he has definatley logged through this IP on his and my account, so if he has, that I guess is another piece of evidence I offer to you. His MSN as you all might have also known by now is [email protected]
You can also find his yahoo and AIM on the link of the craigslist post I mentioned earlier.
I can also provide MSN conversations. But that is what will get this post locked as mentioned in the scammer forum sticky so I wont use it.
If any mod or admin would like to see some of them I can gladly provide them to you, and also if there ever was a need to contact me personally, my MSN is [email protected], and AIM is The1stHere.
I thank you and would like to remind you that this post was made for the sake of getting back the sythe account rightfully mine. Also and more importantly, that this guy's (Trent Thomas AKA Taton here) IP and accounts are banned as you can see he is very well rounded and experienced in dealing out scams and quite good dangerous for everyone eles because of it. Also editting the craigslist posting link out of this message would make me feel more safer if it was deleted, that is after you (the person who will judge) has deemed no more use for it. Lastly I hope that an E-mail be sent to the original E-mail used to register the account "Kills" which is [email protected] containing the new password for me so I can get back on the forums without having my reputation damaged, after all, this was my the main point of this post, but my main goal was to get Taton out of here, but I counldnt do that without posting here, and I couldnt post here to prove that he is a scammer as because this isnt a scammer reporting forum and so that is why I had to include this info, for the sake of recovering my account, and hopefully if not here, then in the scammer report forum, for the sake of getting Taton banned and never back here.
Thank you for reading and again apologize for taking so much time up with a single post.
**small sidenote** the image code we got to enter in order to post...it asks to type it in the opposite order, well i typed it in the proper way, left to right, and it came out as approved.
