[DO NOT ARCHIVE] Anthony1994 & Sebulase

[Derby]

re: http://www.sythe.org/13362246-post18.html

If I have to pay the account back, you're basically establishing precedent whereby if anyone sells an account, and if anything goes wrong down the track, the original seller must refund the latest purchaser. This is pretty dumb because trusted people may sell an account and provide the recovery info, only to have a scammer buy it, recover it, and have the trusted person at fault.

re: http://www.sythe.org/13362283-post19.html

The guy who sold it to you could have easily recovered it. I even have evidence of his intentions when he impersonated you looking for more account info.

If I had the account, I'd give it to you, but truth is I don't have it. You've also screwed up any chance of getting it back by email recovery with the stupid way you approached that.

Don't try to blame this on me, what don't you understand.

1. You brought the account to sythe.

2. You claim to be the original owner.

3. Seb attempted a recovery and failed, you even confirmed the recovery information he gave to me matched the recovery information you gave to him therefore how could Seb of recovered it if both mine and his "recovery information" was correct.

4. You advertised the account sale, therefore you are responsible if not fully at least partially.

The point I am making is, regardless of mine or Seb's attempt in recovering the account, it has been recovered and I have proven that. The person that recovered it is on the account, messaging all my friend's attempting to scam them which I find absolute bollocks. You have to understand how this look's from my part and I want you to explain this;

If "Seb" recovered the account, the account YOU sold him then why are you unable to recover it and he is? When you was a previous owner, a previous owner before him, the previous owner who claimed to be the original owner...

 

RE: http://www.sythe.org/13362558-post21.html

1. I sold the account to Sebulase, that's correct.

2. I made it very clear that I wasn't the original owner to Sebulase. What sebulase told you about the account is out of my control. I've told you this many times.

3. The recovery information was correct. I suspect something went wrong when you got me, yourself, and Sebulase, to submit recoveries + emails to Jagex on the same day. I told you from the start that it was stupid.

4. I acknowledge that I'm partially responsible which is why I've tried very hard to work with you. You're making it seemingly difficult when you don't take my advice and insist you know the best method of retrieval when you don't.

The reason I can't get the account back is because we all have the same recovery info, as that's how account sales are suppose to go. Jagex isn't replying to me at all after sending the stupid email you insisted I send.

If I'm required to refund, than I think a new Sythe rule should be that account sellers shouldn't have to provide any recovery info. Otherwise, the buyer could get the account locked (very easy to do), recover it, claim that the seller has recovered it, and than the seller is screwed?

I don't understand your last sentence.

 

[Derby]

RE: http://www.sythe.org/13362558-post21.html

1. I sold the account to Sebulase, that's correct.

2. I made it very clear that I wasn't the original owner to Sebulase. What sebulase told you about the account is out of my control. I've told you this many times.

3. The recovery information was correct. I suspect something went wrong when you got me, yourself, and Sebulase, to submit recoveries + emails to Jagex on the same day. I told you from the start that it was stupid.

4. I acknowledge that I'm partially responsible which is why I've tried very hard to work with you. You're making it seemingly difficult when you don't take my advice and insist you know the best method of retrieval when you don't.

The reason I can't get the account back is because we all have the same recovery info, as that's how account sales are suppose to go. Jagex isn't replying to me at all after sending the stupid email you insisted I send.

If I'm required to refund, than I think a new Sythe rule should be that account sellers shouldn't have to provide any recovery info. Otherwise, the buyer could get the account locked (very easy to do), recover it, claim that the seller has recovered it, and than the seller is screwed?

I don't understand your last sentence.

What I am trying to get into your head is HOW in the fuck, has seb managed to recover the account and not you? You owned the account before him, you gave him the recovery questions and you sold it it him, so the logic that your trying to bullshit me with won't work...

If your not able to recover it, then I know for a fact Seb is not able to recover it, meaning you sold me an unsecured account, it was your sales thread and the whole deal went ahead based upon your feedback.

This could be a huge setup like the other mod gave an example of;

- Advertise under your account.
- You refer me to another seller half way down the deal.
- You take no blame as you "technically" didn't sell me it.

I have lost 120m from what was on the account, so I am personally giving you 2 days from now (27/03/2014) to refund me 40m or I will take my action in ensuring get what you deserve.

 

Nobody but the original owner can recover an account, that's my experience in all my years playing Runescape. No matter the recovery info you have. So I'm failing to see how it's online in-game when nobody in this situation is the original owner.

Usually, whoever sold it will contact the OO and get it recovered or refund. By the same token.. that would mean Sebuluse owes Derby but Ant then owes Sebuluse.

 

[Derby]

Nobody but the original owner can recover an account, that's my experience in all my years playing Runescape. No matter the recovery info you have. So I'm failing to see how it's online in-game when nobody in this situation is the original owner.

Usually, whoever sold it will contact the OO and get it recovered or refund. By the same token.. that would mean Sebuluse owes Derby but Ant then owes Sebuluse.

Ant claimed he was the original owner, later down the line he states;

He bought it from a friend a long time ago, he still speaks to him but he plays LoL now, so either way Ant is the person who bought this account to Sythe, Ant has always stuck to his guns saying Seb recovered it when infact no, Seb did not recover it, because he would not be able to.

Ant bought a dud account to this website and sold it, I purchased it in full confidence, Ant is responsible.

 

RE:http://www.sythe.org/13366076-post25.html

Derby, you've posted that picture like 6 times. I'm not sure if you're stupid but just because Sebulase said I was the original owner, doesn't mean that's what I told him.

Considering that none of us are the original owners, we all have the recovery info, and one person is on the account, any one of us could have got access. It makes more sense that Sebulase has access as he was the first to recover the account which is evident in photos of him impersonating Derby. Who knows, Derby could still have possession of it.

Also, Derby, why would I have to pay you 40M? The account was never worth 40M 07 GP, lol. That is like 140$? I only sold the account in the first place for $70 I think it was. If I'm liable at all, I'd have to refund Sebulase, and he'd have to refund you.

 

Or you just skip out the middleman & owe Derby because Sebuluse is banned.

 

RE: http://www.sythe.org/13369275-post27.html

I still find it strange that no on questions whether Derby is in fact the one who recovered the account.

Also my internet was hit offline twice in the last three nights and I'm having my suspicions as to who it was. I'm rather curious why no Sythe mod/admin acknowledged this screenshot of Derby admitting to DDOSing. http://i.imgur.com/rWVnCmM.png

Screenshot found in this post made two weeks ago: http://www.sythe.org/13328196-post5.html

Last time I checked, ddosing fell under the category of black hat activities and warrants a permanent ban.

 

[Derby]

RE: http://www.sythe.org/13369275-post27.html

I still find it strange that no on questions whether Derby is in fact the one who recovered the account.

Also my internet was hit offline twice in the last three nights and I'm having my suspicions as to who it was. I'm rather curious why no Sythe mod/admin acknowledged this screenshot of Derby admitting to DDOSing. http://i.imgur.com/rWVnCmM.png

Screenshot found in this post made two weeks ago: http://www.sythe.org/13328196-post5.html

Last time I checked, ddosing fell under the category of black hat activities and warrants a permanent ban.

Think what you want, the fact of the matter is I made a new account the day this was recovered, like I would still be fighting for a refund if I had control over the account. I would be willing to accept a partial refund of the amount you paid seb, if I remember correctly it was $70.

I will accept this refund in 07GP, let me know when you want to make the payment so we can solve this.

 

Let's not avoid the matter at hand and just get this over with; only the original owner can recover the account.

We'll deal with the screenshot after this is sorted out.

 

Laughable that you're trying to get Derby banned Anthony. No one but the original owner could have recovered it and since you sold it to Seb you should be able to return it to Derby. Since you cannot in my opinion you need to refund Derby.

 

RE: http://www.sythe.org/13373245-post31.html

How is it laughable, Entrr? He broke a rule and therefore he should be liable.

Derby, I will refund you in 07 but that means I have to go out of my way to make an 07 account, buy membership and than acquire 07, so it'll be $3.1/m. Alternatively, I'll offer you $70 paypal, which is what I actually received from Sebulase. Your choice.

 

He will be liable but it always sets off alarms when the user who is being accused attempts to brush it under the rug by digging up dirt on the user. He will be dealt with. We're not lenient you know that but we must remained focused on this issue at this time. Thanks for cooperating

 

[Derby]

23m refund received, although this will never be forgotten at least he was man enough to take a little responsibility.

I can now say this case is closed, just deal with caution.

 

Thanks for keeping us up to date. Sorry Anthony that the cookie crumbled this way.