Disagree with this ruling

People are being hacked just by name, location and some skype contacts. Whether they have private emails or not.

 

What does sythe.org do to make these rules or "trading practices" what ever you wanna call them, known to new users. They have to go and search the site for some sticky. I've personally never seen one of the stickies you mention . I'm sure they exist but who's reading them? If you're all of a sudden not going to hold people responsible for their accounts you need to make this information public knowledge. Not have it tucked away in a sticky that no one ever bothers looking at. This may seem like common sense to us but to someone who has never been involved in any kind of "black market" trading site most likely has no idea. Although I personally get pm's for every trade I do, I can see why you wouldn't get a pm if it was someone trusted that you've done successful trades with before and it turns out this one time they ended up hacked and your're fucked because you didn't request a pm.

 

Because people are dumb enough to keep making public skypes when they know that the hacking is still ongoing. Keep in mind if you make a new PUBLIC skype, the hacker now has your new creation date.

The bottom like here is, its nobody elses fault only your own that you're a target. You (generally speaking) choose to become big on the site knowing that in turn, people would be out to get you to try and make a few bucks. Its a risk everybody takes, but now it seems its something that nobody wants to pay the consequences for.

Its sickening that people are going to be scammed by people they thought they could trust (or their hackers) and not get a dime in return.

 

Again it's obvious that Skype has some serious security flaws, and that was obvious when the first 4 people were hacked and Richard announced about the mass hackings. There wasn't a 'Okay, guys there are some thing wrong with Skype you shouldn't use it and advise all trading partners to use another method' it was 'Okay, change your email to something private'

It isn't the victims faults and due to bad decision making, but we are now punishing those people who got scammed. JackGoff and I are close friends and I talk to Jack a lot. If I were going to trade him I wouldn't PM him because I trust that, unless there are obvious signs, he is still JackGoff. Also as Marrow mentioned a couple pages back, when trading with Chinese gold traders or even some of the large traders here who have websites you don't normally ask for a PM. It's hard to believe that the staff are trying to go back and say 'Oh, you've traded this guy 20 times and you trusted him but since he got hacked and you didn't get a PM you're just SOL.' They're safe trading practices in place, but after numerous trades with someone you generally aren't going to ask them for a PM. Also as many mentioned this is going to set up a dangerous system where you can fake a hacking and not be responsible. People have ALWAYS been responsible for their accounts, why you are changing it now is beyond me...

I don't see, even though numerous staffers have spoke out against this, changing any time soon.

 

Then change the rule to where it is a 50-50 liability. It falls on the buyer for not requesting a pm and then it falls on the seller for choosing to use skype still.

 

With hackings going on, nobody should assume anything.

 

I find nearly this whole statement outrageous.

How in the name of god is someone getting rewarded by getting what they are owed?

I am shocked that such a statement came from someone of authority on this site.

 

Lol dont be so shocked! They think that seeing they post 100 times a day and have been on the fourms for so long that everyone knows and understands how scamers are on this site and think that it is common Knowledge to request a pm.When for new members that just join the site or have even been apart of sythe for awhile and just dont post much like my self dont know that you should request a pm for all trades. This is that one sided view bull shit.

So 70% of the time when someone new joins they are run off either by being scammed or harassed. So to get there money back from being scammed they start to think what that guy did to me seems pretty easy maybe i should start doing it to since i was scammed out of all my money. So Now we are breeding Scammers lol. I

Just to be clear I DO AGREE WITH GETTING A PM BEFORE TRADE but as someone stated before the stickys and bull shit yall put the rules in never gets seen or read by most people. So i think they should have to see this rule when they are joining the site.

 

That is what you pulled out of the entire argument. -.-

It's a hypothetical. People that communicate with people constantly aren't going to PM them if there is no obvious reason they should or if they're someone they trade with all of the time. Unless, again, something obvious is wrong.

This ruling is ridiculous, as previously stated.

 

This will be my last post in this thread on this topic but to be clear on point from my stand point i can totaly agree with you mate. Like a stated before in my post they dont think about the little man just about the people that have been around and know how sythe works.

 

So if i get hacked without wanting it (Yes you could blame the guy who got hacked but you could also blame the Buyer/for example\ for not asking for a pm )
Fact is,if someones skype is hacked and they say to the sythe staff that their skype is hacked and yet people get scammed bcz they do not ask for a pm it's not their fault.
And the last thing they should do is repay them because it's not their fault a hack can happen to everyone.
If someone gets hacked and the hacker scams people with the skype the guy who's got hacked should be not required to pay back OR they can offer it if they want so,but not as a rule.
Really dissapointed in this 1

On topic : Think whatever you want of me,i'm sharing my opinion.

 

Regardless of whether the rule stays, it might be a good idea to make a global announcement along the lines of "assume all Skypes may be hacked and always get a PM", rather than just announcing users who are hacked. People are more likely to see that than the post in the news / RaS forums.

 

That was by no means an authoritative statement, nor an end all decision. That is merely my opinion as an ex-market user and a person, and I'm entitled to such. I'm still open to arguments and suggestions, just making MY OPINION known, just as the rest of you are.

 

New users are extremely easy to SE. If who they think is a large trusted market member tells them they don't need a PM and give a few bull shit excuses they will very likely listen.

The issue of scamming isn't really any large number of new scams, its trusted members being able to scam large amounts and get away with it if the person doesn't insist on a PM. All they have to do is fake being hacked and then they get away scot free without us being able to tell (generally).

 

A 50-50 liability would do exactly the same thing, except it would be much more fair. People would still be just as hesitant to lose half of whatever they're selling.

I know where you're coming from; it would be best to educate the community than to shield them from the hazards, whereas these scams would continue to happen. However, it seems to me that a 50-50 liability (which is more FAIR), would both help educate the new users as well as serve some form of fairness so that they are not out all their money when somebody gets hacked.

I just personally don't think its fair that a user doesn't get any compensation when he gets scammed by SOMEBODY ELSES hacker. If you ask me they are both responsible (the victim of the hacking and the victim of the scamming).

Just please think it over with respect to the fact that a 50-50 liability would serve both purposes, fairness and education.

 

I see this as changing the rules in the middle of the game. Now you don't have to be responsible for getting hacked and losing control of your account, when for all the time I have been here you were always responsible for both your accounts and IP. What systems are in place to prevent people from buying a $30 VPN, running through a proxy, and faking a hacking? You could profit way more than you spend in the long run by doing this. This is opening up a pandora's box of variables that haven't been account for as of now.

Taking pride costs too much time for the large sellers to give a damn about their customers. When was the last time you saw R2P in the forum actively trying to help new members learn to trade? Or Busta? Or Tjin? I have to give it up for Grave though because sometimes he is a troll, but I do feel he can, at times, have what is good for the community as a whole and not just his bottom line in mind. This wait and see attitude isn't a proactive one...

 

I don't even think a partial compensation is deserved, assuming everyone isn't completely oblivious to the rule. Members just have to get a PM every single transaction, it really isn't that hard. This rule protects both parties. Personally I am not confident with any IM service. Initially I thought hotmail was secure but nope, got exploited. So I moved to Skype, nope still exploits. So yeah this is good to help protect sellers to a certain point.

I guess the real problem is members being ignorant towards the rule so as Sythe said everyone should help promote this rule. I will start advertising in my signature to only trade me with PM confirmation.

 

Can we can an insight into this?

 

Bump.

I really don't agree with and never will agree with there being a 0% reimbursement to victims of scams by hackers.

Keep in mind, the ones who own the hacked Skype are the ones who choose to use that for their services during a hacking spree. They could have easily switched IM services either permanently or temporarily. Their customers will follow them to whatever IM service they use, as they have no choice, so in light of this I place even more blame on the sellers.