Dingo212 - Banned Again 2nd Time

[Unregistered - Dingo212]

Gosh!

I am banned without any warning nor given access to Dispute Forums. I am accessing them via a proxy site.

The reason for ban: My IP matches with other banned accounts.

Honestly, saying from heart, I can't dispute or begin to dispute this without knowing how many accounts matches my IP and what crimes those accounts committed.

Anyways, all I can do is this:

- Since joining Sythe I've moved 3 houses. 2 within the same area and and the ISP was Bell Canada.

Proof of my ID available to Admin for review.

- 3rd House is brought by me on May 2010 (I am 26, earning 3,500+ and is co-signed by my father) as I've told to plznate. The 3rd house is located 20 minutes away from the city of Toronto, Canada. The new house is located in Ajax, Ontario. The ISP is Rogers. We switched as Rogers had a contract with the house-builders to give 1 year free internet, home phone and cable.

I can give an admin access to my bank account to see the mortgage and since when it is being paid.

- In regards to RS, I am also a member of RSC (since 2004) and RSBots.net. If any of you know insiders there, you can check my IP there.

I can confirm my ip is starting with 99...but I don't know which other or how many accounts associate with my IP to even dispute. I do not have knowledge of how ISPs assign IPs either.

- Considering my status, it is quite sad. 5 years of efforts put into this forums, one day I am banned. I do not know why even dispute forums is off limits. Anyone reviewing it, please put yourself in this situation. I am not asking you to unban immediately as investigation has to be done on your part but the effort you put into become a staff and you are banned like this without reasons? Even the rules say, if you are banned for scamming, then dispute the scam. What do I dispute here? I do not know the accounts that are banned.

This whole thing is based on IP. It is true I've moved houses. Between my full come back to Sythe and 2009, I've logged into Sythe several times to see how things are going. Honestly, I don't know how else to proof that I am not associated with those accounts.

I am planning to call Rogers and ask if they assign same IP (but I am sure they don't) or assign previous IPs to their customers.

Any one has any idea (I am really confused and helpless here) I've been called scammer before and was banned too but at those times, someone was there to ask my side of the story too. Please help me what else can I do to prove myself?

As for the whole ban, my answer is the same as I've given to plznate: No, I am not owner of those banned Sythe accounts nor know them. The whole thing of 5 year member of Sythe creating multiple Sythe accounts via one IP then loggin in on the same IP is very very stupid. If I am logging in via different IPs every day, then yes there maybe a case on the side of whomever decided to ban me but I am on one IP since May 2010 and I am willing to prove it.

Like I said to him, I came back to RS for one reason. RWT. I have a certain sure method to earn money via Staking. I am willing to give this method to someone investigating.

 

[FireZ]

New Jersey. Think about that location to start.

 

[Plznate]

As for the whole ban, my answer is the same as I've given to plznate: No, I am not owner of those banned Sythe accounts nor know them. The whole thing of 5 year member of Sythe creating multiple Sythe accounts via one IP then loggin in on the same IP is very very stupid. If I am logging in via different IPs every day, then yes there maybe a case on the side of whomever decided to ban me but I am on one IP since May 2010 and I am willing to prove it.

Like I said to him, I came back to RS for one reason. RWT. I have a certain sure method to earn money via Staking. I am willing to give this method to someone investigating.

Sorry mate, but the info you gave me actually confirmed the only part that I was unsure of. You are linked to at least 4 other banned accounts that I was able to find, all of whom the IP evidence and other contextual information is more than sufficient. This evidence was looked over for quite some time and everything was taken into consideration, it was not a hasty decision.

 

[FireZ]

MSN for further review.

 

[Unregistered - Dingo212]

Plznate already investigated this. When he asked me few questions, I did not know I was going to get banned. Whatever answers I gave to him are true and were innocent.

He asked me if I've been to NJ: I said Yes, my distance cousins live there. Lately I've visited them on 2006 Summer & 2008 . Both times, I've brought my labtop with me to there. 2006, I was active in Sythe and possibly used my labtop to visit Sythe. In 2008 March break I am not active. I brought bots on 2009 Aug - September and started botting then quit as it was boring. I was User Ed at that time too.

Seems like I am banned based on my answers to Plznate but not entirely. If I am banned on those answers, I also said I've been to LA...am I being associated with all the locations I've visited?

This is not right bros.
I am banned for phising? Why would I need phising when I have a legit method of making money in RS? I can show you via MSN.

How much did those accounts scammed?

Why would I even log-in to same IP as a scammer if I scammed on a previous account? The whole thing is very shady. I understand that I am banned based on IPs but the other accounts...were they all used one IP or random IPs (in which case they could've used proxies) It really hurts when I am not someone who would scam someone but being accused of scamming. How many times and dates I logged in from those IPs that banned? These could help me make a case. Thanks!

 

[OldFinn]

He's entitled to be made aware of the account that matched his IP.

The account was runebuyer and was banned for phishing in 2007.

 

[Plznate]

More than that actually.

2 more I found were prusobas (banned for phishing) and nitharsank (banned for scamming).

 

[OldFinn]

Those accounts match runebuyer but they don't match Dingo.

This case is a lot more complex than may be initially observed, so I'm leaving this open for Dingo to comment.

 

[Plznate]

Fair enough. For any other staff looking for reference for everything found:

http://ww2.sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7680602&postcount=154

Dingo contact me on MSN if you wish and ill relay anything you want to mention.

 

[FireZ]

I'll be having him add my msn as well to try and get to the bottom of this.

EDIT - Added him on both public and private.

 

[OldFinn]

This is a very convoluted situation and I am going to make you fully aware of it so you can seek to defend yourself against it.

Grounds for your ban:

An IP attached to your account matches with an account from which phishing links were posted in 2007. Plznate initially thought that the IP resolved to New Jersey, but it actually resolves to Kansas. This is why you were banned after he asked if you had been on vacation and you told him you'd been to New Jersey. Despite the IP actually resolving to Kansas, this does not clear you fully, although I don't think you're in the wrong here. The account 'runebuyer', however, remains attached by IP to your account, and there needs to be some explanation for why a Kansas IP is attached to your account.

The reason that I think you are innocent:

The account that posted links to a phshing site did so on the 14th and 17th, respectively. These posts were made on a Kansas IP.

You made posts on the 15th and the 17th from a Canadian IP.

Unless you were flying up and down North America every couple of days in order to post phishing links from different IP addresses, I am confident that it was not you posting those links to the phisher.

However, your account remains attached by IP to the Kansas IP and I'd like to know why.

 

[Plznate]

What would seem most logical then, at least to me, is that his account was either accessed, or shared, with the owner of the runebuyer account, who logged into it from their Kansas place of residency while Dingo was in Toronto.

However, if you take a look at runebuyer's profile information (http://sythe.org/member.php?u=68006)

It says he is from Toronto as well...

 

[FireZ]

Dingo and runebuyer match in kansas
runebuyer and nitro match in kansas
nitro and dingo has similar ips in toronto canada off of rogers internet (which dingo has rogers as well)

runebuyers profile says - location toronto
dingo is from toronto
nitro mathes ip from toronto

All 3 registered with gmail as well.

 

[Plznate]

Nitharsank also is 100% at one point or time in canada, in addition to matching runebuyer's IP exactly in Kansas.

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=2174671&postcount=1782

Basically to sum it up, Runebuyer is directly linked to Dingo on a kansas IP.

Runebuyer is directly linked to Nitharsank (banned for scamming) and prusobis (banned for phishing) on a VERY similiar kansas IP.

Nitharsank, as well as ~3 other banned accounts are linked to Toronto canada, very close to where Dingo resides, both on the same ISP (rogers).

Runebuyer does not have any Canadian IPs, however his profile says he is from there.

All these accounts registered with gmail.

 

[Unregistered - Dingo212]

Hi all,

So after conversation with Firez and Nate, here is where I stand.

As I had the conversation, there was a new allegation of another scammer who had similar IP as this 'runebuyer' aka Kansas guy and was from Toronto. However, I will leave him out in my post due to him being connected to runebuyer (through IP at one instance) and being from a different ISP (Rogers) than Mine (Bell) Please remember, this whole "chain" of scammers and alike are being connected with "one" time occurrence of similar IPs and the fact they are from Toronto (which happens to me where I am from) or will be only and connected to me if runebuyer is proven to be connected to me. Even in that case, these new scammers have faint connections to runebuyer.

Allegation: All the Staff involved in this investigation agree that I cannot be in Kansas & Toronto on the same day since this 'runebuyer' and I posted on the same days. However, the allegation as I understand is that runebuyer and my IPs match exactly at one instance.

As I've told to Nate & Firez, I still stand on my claim that my MSN & Account was never hacked in my Sythe life.

- This means, considering the IPs match (once), the allegation is that I either shared account with 'runebuyer' or he hacked me (which isn't true due to above statement)

So the blame on me is pretty much 'Dingo212 shared account with a pin scammer' (Banned for scamming & Ban evasion)

Here is my statements:

- I reject the allegations I shared account with anyone in my Sythe life and still stand to say that I never shared or got my account hacked.
- After all the effort I put in Sythe, why would I jeopardize my account for mere Pin scamming and phising accounts? Besides I never sold Pins in Sythe. An 24 year old (that time) Official MM, Donator and a User Ed (that time) creating multiple accounts to scam people of mere pins?

I understand that the IPs still match and I don't know how. Whereas I humbly ask the staff to look at my history as this (in my opinion) case has to be looked outside the rules (an ethical issue as what is against me is also thin - in a sense that my IP matches once with some random scammer from US)

- I wrote so many guides about how not to get scammed
- Wrote comprehensive guides on how to find the right guides.
- Constantly report people who break Sythe Rules.
- Kept strict rules to myself...including encouraging others to take screenshots, and asking them to PM me, etc to make others feel at ease.
- Have no infraction record nor scamming records.
- Have +2 rating in RSC (I know this doesn't matter - its Sythe but at the same time Sythe a community I've loved for 5 years, so I have to bring in everything I can)
- The question to ask again is, why would I create an account/share my account knowingly with a scammer (who matches my IP once)?
- He (runebuyer) didn't even make posts from my account or scam people using my account?! (I am not sure if I had made posts on the same day from Toronto as well...)
- I have million reasons not to get myself banned than sharing account with some random person to scam pins.

Like I said above, I stand in a ground where I don't even know what to do. All I could do is ask whoever judging to take all into considerations as I myself know half the details as what is going on.

Currently I dont have access to Dispute forums as well (I am using proxies)

I can be contacted by anyone at [email protected]

Thanks
Dingo212

 

[Plznate]

The issue is that although you only directly match to one banned account (runebuyer), your matching IP is VERY similiar to the other banned scammer accounts. Additionally, the other accounts that have been banned show up in the same kansas IP as you did, as well as showing up on Toronto IPs very close to you (and ONLY in kansas/Toronto). This also does not help your case.

Given that the matching IP is not a proxy, and you have never had your Sythe account, I dont really see how this could simply be overlooked. The huge amount of "coincidences" showing up is just too big IMO.

I personally don't know you, nor have I had the opportunity to see your contributions to Sythe. I am just going off of the information that FireZ and I have uncovered that links you to all these accounts.

*NOTE*: if you wish to say anything else or add a reply, feel free to message it to me over MSN and I will add it in here for you.

 

[Plznate]

From Dingo:

"Thanks Nate.

I understand my IP matches runebuyer once. My above post is my argument for that.

The other accounts that match Kansas IP, I do not know them.

Please note that you yourself mentioned that “Nitharsank IP is Rogers where as you are largely Bell” (I am Rogers since May 2010 - as I’ve told Nate before the ban - I brought a house in Ajax and with it came 1 year of free cable, internet and phone – as this is the custom) I can let an Admin log in to my bank account to see since when my mortgage is active. Or get into Rogers Account tab to see activation date.

Is it possible to see how many people used this Kansas IP? Originally I was told 4, with this Nith guy its 5 and funny part is they all used Kansas city once and yet its not proxy - This itself is confusing. I mean if this Nith guy is from Toronto and majority of his logins are from Toronto, why would his or other 3 peoples' IP match Kansas for once? (of course he turned out to be a real scammer with evidence and was banned but that being aside)

Even then…the question is why?! Why would I share account with a Scammer? That the scammer neither scammed big nor make posts from my account nor did business of my kind (selling gp?) nor had similar spelling style as me?

- Mods (Nate & Firez) have mentioned that Kansas City one is not a proxy. Which means it’s a real person living there.
- Finn suggested that I have posted 2 consecutive days and the runebuyer (Kansas City guy) posted within those 2 days too. Finn said I can be held innocent due to this that…the only way this type of posting is possible is me traveling to Kansas to scam pins(?) then coming back here to Toronto, then going back there to post again(?) then coming back to Toronto and posting?
- The fact people have Toronto in their profile – I can’t defend against this. If a scammer is from Toronto, the he is. That doesn’t mean he should be connected to me (let alone his IP don’t match me nor ISP)?
- Registering in gmail is used against me? I registered on Sythe with Hotmail. I changed to gmail in the middle since it’s faster in terms of emailing. Even now, if someone emails me to my Hotmail, it will come to my gmail. I again changed my OMM mail to Hotmail because by that time, my Hotmail was duplicated enough times and those impersonators are already banned. How these ‘by chance’ incidents are being stacked against me? Let alone the original charge against me itself is a single IP match.

I am available at [email protected]"

 

[FireZ]

Ignore gmail from now on.

I'm not convicting you as guilty quite yet. Dingo and runebuyer match on an exact home ip match in kansas. runebuyer and nitro match on an exact home ip match in kansas. nitro and dingo have extremely similar ip's on rogers cable internet. All 3 have heavy ties to toronto and kansas.

 

[Unregistered - Dingo212]

Ok so Firez,

I've put in my argument about Runebuyer above.

From what I come to know, Nitro is banned for self vouching?

Remember, I never agreed that I am Rogers when all this went on (way before 2010) I am Rogers since May 2010. You yourself noted that I am largely Bell when this happened.

Please note I never engaged in any activities these scammers did.

- Never sold pins
- I have more than legit way of making money via staking as Ive explained it to you via MSN
- Never self vouched.

Now the nitro guy himself is connected to runebuyer. I am not going there as he was Rogers with different IP and I was not (IPS do not match but rather similar...in a country of 30 million (and possibly 100s of sythe members) why am I being compared to every single scammer?) Not to mention I am barely connected to one guy who is then connected to this other guy using mere minimum links.

All of these guys never did bigger scams or collaborated on such. Among themselves rather than their IP numbers matching at one instance? What did I do to piss so many people in Sythe that required this much of an investigation and pinning me on such a thin line?

And I never got hacked.

If anyone investigating actively or watching please contact me on MSN [email protected]. I do have thoughts I wish to share that I do not wish to share here.

 

[Plznate]

Im on my mming MSN [email protected]. Add me there and Ill get someone to merge this into your other thread.

EDIT: thanks marrow.