Different standards

[Wulfspade1]

I've never seen you make a post that isn't 110% supporting anyone with power above you, therefore I barely value your opinion, no offence, I think you're a kiss-ass.

Thanks for completely disregarding everything I wrote with that excuse. If I was still a sectional, this would still be my answer; if I was still a global, this would still be my answer. I don't care if you think I'm an "ass-kisser," I'd rather see you reply to my points.

 

[T V]

Don't get me wrong, and I've told this to staff before. But I want OMM rank for a simple SIMPLE reason, people trust you bigger trades.

Yes, my ideal is too help, doesn't MM of the year, #2 most replied MM thread and Top 5 viewed show it? Doesn't the fact that I am free show it?

OMM is not the rank, is the added trust that I would like to have so I can MM more. I've been denied before even for 50M trades just for not having that "rank"

You've been pretty patient, calm, and collected. I agree that if anyone else deserves OMM it's you. I'm not really directing any of my comments at you, as I don't think I've ever seen you complain about this sort of thing. If there's anything in this thread that I agree with it's that you're a more than qualified MiddleMan. However, that's just my opinion (and clearly that of a large portion of the community), and if the staff haven't made you an official middleman, there's got to be more to it than just "he hasn't proven himself", because clearly you have.

 

[iBuyStoof]

My point is that OMM is not so much a measure of trust, but it is more like a "milestone" on the trust range that you have to work to achieve. You could charge as much as him, but having OMM almost substitutes itself for however many vouches are usually needed to achieve OMM.

You're an idiot if you really think OMM isn't about trust, do you know how many members come to this site and go "only using a omm" and refuse to use someone like TBT who is substantially more trusted than 3/4 of the OMM's?

 

[iBuyStoof]

You've been pretty patient, calm, and collected. I agree that if anyone else deserves OMM it's you. I'm not really directing any of my comments at you, as I don't think I've ever seen you complain about this sort of thing. If there's anything in this thread that I agree with it's that you're a more than qualified MiddleMan. However, that's just my opinion (and clearly that of a large portion of the community), and if the staff haven't made you an official middleman, there's got to be more to it than just "he hasn't proven himself", because clearly you have.

I have money on the fact that since Malakadang got promoted, he gets OMM before TBT, and if he doesn't its because I made this thread.

 

[Imagine]

You're an idiot if you really think OMM isn't about trust, do you know how many members come to this site and go "only using a omm" and refuse to use someone like TBT who is substantially more trusted than 3/4 of the OMM's?

I do think it's about trust, but I think it's a milestone for people who qualify. (I.E have completed their applications, have a good attitude, and are helpful).

However, trust is only a part of it. Some people mistakenly believe that 100% of the OMM application is based on trust, when it's not.

 

[Emperor Nero]

While I believe that there is some ass-kissery going on in this thread I also believe it has degenerated into a flame war and pointing out people; which is where it should not have gone. A lot of people agree that TBT is trusted and should get OMM, I mean I would trust him over some of the OMMs but arguing this is an uphill battle that you are going to lose and running the thread into ground isn't going to help the point any. So I believe that this should be argued some other way or in a more mature way at another time.

 

[iBuyStoof]

Thanks for completely disregarding everything I wrote with that excuse. If I was still a sectional, this would still be my answer; if I was still a global, this would still be my answer. I don't care if you think I'm an "ass-kisser," I'd rather see you reply to my points.

I heard them all already, and my opinion stands, "staff" and "omm" hold a status that is more exclusive(meaning less achievable) for members lacking the other.

In saying this, I mean a staff member has 10x more of a chance to get OMM regardless what any global says(Karl).

On superman's omm application I saw zero people say "idk if you are ready" and at the same time, many of the people don't know him and have never traded with him, they simply support because hes staff.

 

[iBuyStoof]

I do think it's about trust, but I think it's a milestone for people who qualify. (I.E have completed their applications, have a good attitude, and are helpful).

However, trust is only a part of it. Some people mistakenly believe that 100% of the OMM application is based on trust, when it's not.

how many 550+ trades did superman have in his trade before he got staff? how many did he have after he got staff?

 

[The Black Tux]

(I.E have completed their applications, have a good attitude, and are helpful).

MM of 2011. Most-Helpful user of 2011. Always helping...

I'm just pointing out more and more facts.

 

[Imagine]

Obviously some people are naive and base trust solely on Staff, but again, Superman had reached a certain point in his trusted-ness, and that point occurred when he was staff.
In my honest opinion, he would have still been accepted had he not been staff, because of his community orientation and all.

 

[iBuyStoof]

While I believe that there is some ass-kissery going on in this thread I also believe it has degenerated into a flame war and pointing out people; which is where it should not have gone. A lot of people agree that TBT is trusted and should get OMM, I mean I would trust him over some of the OMMs but arguing this is an uphill battle that you are going to lose and running the thread into ground isn't going to help the point any. So I believe that this should be argued some other way or in a more mature way at another time.

Agreed, I meant to spend more time on the OP I accidentally hit submit -.- made a war rather than an organized debate..

 

[Imagine]

MM of 2011. Most-Helpful user of 2011. Always helping...

I'm just pointing out more and more facts.

I'm not arguing that you don't deserve OMM, as a matter of fact, I'm one of the people who probably wants you to get OMM the most.
I'm just saying that helpfulness and everything plays a part in it, but there is obviously something that staff don't "like" about your OMM app, which is what got it denied. This something may be a shady past (Like DK'ing), or anything else.

The fact that someone gets promoted to staff means that the upper staff are ready to pardon you for your "shady past", which means it will play a very little role in your application process.

 

[Wulfspade1]

I heard them all already, and my opinion stands, "staff" and "omm" hold a status that is more exclusive(meaning less achievable) for members lacking the other.

In saying this, I mean a staff member has 10x more of a chance to get OMM regardless what any global says(Karl).

On superman's omm application I saw zero people say "idk if you are ready" and at the same time, many of the people don't know him and have never traded with him, they simply support because hes staff.

Your entire justification relies on the fact that members trust OMMs and staff more. We all started at one point, and make our way up the ranks... the original post stated that staff gets different standings on issues such as these.

Many members have achieved OMM without or before getting moderator: Snow Patrol, Kabal, Video, RsProd, Greg, TheViper000, and Tmoe.

Explain them?

 

[iBuyStoof]

I'm not arguing that you don't deserve OMM, as a matter of fact, I'm one of the people who probably wants you to get OMM the most.
I'm just saying that helpfulness and everything plays a part in it, but there is obviously something that staff don't "like" about your OMM app, which is what got it denied. This something may be a shady past (Like DK'ing), or anything else.

The fact that someone gets promoted to staff means that the upper staff are ready to pardon you for your "shady past", which means it will play a very little role in your application process.

Must I redirect you to his rsgp donating thread? That he could chargeback all the money for?

And his shady past? Must I redirect you to N4N0's pardon that was even worse than TBT's? standards standards standards.

 

[T V]

how many 550+ trades did superman have in his trade before he got staff? how many did he have after he got staff?

Middlemen don't force people to use their services; users go to them, and if they choose a certain MM over another simply because they're staff, that shouldn't really surprise you (most new users are redoubtably going to seek out the services of a moderator obviously because it gives them an extra sense of security). Like Imagine was saying earlier, attitude and involvement in the community contribute substantially to staff promotion, and if that happens to garner more business for them, that's just the way things are.



@TBT, I'm just curious. What reason where you give for why your first application was denied?

 

[iBuyStoof]

Your entire justification relies on the fact that members trust OMMs and staff more. We all started at one point, and make our way up the ranks... the original post stated that staff gets different standings on issues such as these.

Many members have achieved OMM without or before getting moderator: Snow Patrol, Kabal, Video, RsProd, Greg, TheViper000, and Tmoe.

Explain them?

I didn't say OMM is impossible without staff. Its just 100% more possible with staff, jeez, if you didn't mess up you could prolly get omm in a week tops.

 

[Imagine]

Must I redirect you to his rsgp donating thread? That he could chargeback all the money for?

And his shady past? Must I redirect you to N4N0's pardon that was even worse than TBT's? standards standards standards.

the "shady past" was just an example, there are a billion other possible reasons...

Just to list a few, again, not accusing anybody of being guilty of these:

Just a bad MM to begin with (lots of complaints, likely to mess up MM's like Louis)
Too much of a troll
Unfriendly
Want's OMM too much?
Doesn't know any staff, and staff usually like to know people before they accept their application?
Seems to be too focused on money and less on community
Has been accused of scamming
There are a billion more, these are just examples...

 

[iBuyStoof]

Middlemen don't force people to use their services; users go to them, and if they choose a certain MM over another simply because they're staff, that shouldn't really surprise you (most new users are redoubtably going to seek out the services of a moderator obviously because it gives them an extra sense of security). Like Imagine was saying earlier, attitude and involvement in the community contribute substantially to staff promotion, and if that happens to garner more business for them, that's just the way things are.

Still isn't fair, when a new member sees someone is a staff member, they trust them over 5000 vouches...

 

[tMoon]

Stoof, let me give you some advice. Being ignorant will not get you anywhere, whether it be on this forum, or in real life. "I don't value your opinion, you're a kiss ass." Even if he is, how is his argument invalid?

As well, "Superman is like 15 and has nothing better to do." What the hell does age have to do with anything? Do you know I was 14 when I got OMM? We've had staff members who have been 12.

Still isn't fair, when a new member sees someone is a staff member, they trust them over 5000 vouches...

You must be a psychic.

 

[Wulfspade1]

I didn't say OMM is impossible without staff. Its just 100% more possible with staff, jeez, if you didn't mess up you could prolly get omm in a week tops.

I never said that either? Well, obviously? Staff members fill pretty much every requirement for OMM; assuming they've completed a strong, they are community oriented, helpful, etc.