Dicing CC's on par with botters/locusts

[restless]

Botters were a nuisance to me as they were just everywhere like locusts consuming anything and everything in there paths, multiplying and continuing the cycle ..

It obviously made the game less enjoyable for myself and others. That's fixed. What's next.

Now every god dam bank, street corner, up a yew tree is filled with auto talking fags from big CC's or wannabe big CC's trying to hustle 12 year old kids out of their GP. Nothing is ever in moderation with these types of things.. Again like locusts consume everything until it is gone and then move on..

The mentality of these players is ridiculous - scam scam scam - make GP GP GP quickly, lure ppl in with mass advertising etc.. GTFO rs and get a friggen job if your main goal is to scam young kids. why bother?

The casino in my city is out the way.. Because the laws make it so it is not readily accessible - you have to proactively get there - i.e go out of your way to risk your money. i think they should have the same thing in runescape. so if people are dumb enough to lose they actually have to make an effort 2 get there..

 

[Dave B]

I made 3b dicing in like 2 weeks hosting a small clan, imagine the big ones...gambling hosts are smart, when money is so easily optainable and without negative repercussion why "legit" it when "legit" is anything you do ingame to make it. Dicing is gone but any gambling in runescape is almost always positive to the host besides staking.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Nobody's forcing anybody to go dice, skullball, etc. Their doing it on their own. Nothing wrong with advertising the shit. Simply put those people on your ignore list. Takes maybe 20 seconds to do that? Really don't know why your acting like it's the end of the world.. There's numerous solutions. You wouldn't complain if somebody was making their gp another way. Their technically making GP from dice hosting. That has nothing to do with an in real life job.. What they do with their gp is irrelevant.

They aren't scamming anybody either. Dragon Dyce doesn't scam anybody. It's not some dice clan's fault that other dice clans scam. Can't blame one person for another's actions. Like I said once already.. It's the victim's fault for doing it in the first place. Should take more precautions.

 

[pure chi]

...Now every god dam bank, street corner, up a yew tree is filled with auto talking fags...

I laughed so hard at your yew tree comment lol

 

[ifh]

Punk, what if a casino opened up next door and started cleaning your (hypothetical) 13 year old sister/daughter's lunch money?

After all that's perfectly fine, she's doing it on her own remember.

 

Sorry Punker, we live in a society where that logic does not fly. By that logic, drug dealers should not be arrested, because they don't "force" anyone to use drugs. Gambling is addictive, there have been numerous studies done out there to prove this. Dicing is gambling in its purest form, and the odds that people give on Runescape are horrible. 40% win-rate on a 60x2 dice. Runescape is a young game, half the members don't even realize 60x2 is a major losing bet.

I think we all knew this day would eventually come. Runescape is not a casino, it is a role-playing game. Dicing has no relevance to the game itself. It was quite useful for hiding RWT, but at the end of the day this is no surprise by any means.

 

[Lucster]

Sorry Punker, we live in a society where that logic does not fly. By that logic, drug dealers should not be arrested, because they don't "force" anyone to use drugs. Gambling is addictive, there have been numerous studies done out there to prove this. Dicing is gambling in its purest form, and the odds that people give on Runescape are horrible. 40% win-rate on a 60x2 dice. Runescape is a young game, half the members don't even realize 60x2 is a major losing bet.

I think we all knew this day would eventually come. Runescape is not a casino, it is a role-playing game. Dicing has no relevance to the game itself. It was quite useful for hiding RWT, but at the end of the day this is no surprise by any means.

I agree 100% gambling is extremely addicting due to the fact that it's fun you win and then when you loose you dont really realize it until you're broke although i dont gamble on rs unless its staking because dicing for me isn't exactly 'fun' on the other hand Poker is which is the reason why im addicted. I'm sure alot of people find dicing 'fun' but yes 40/60 odds are ridiculous no one would go to the casino if they hit those odds " as clear as their being stated on rs ".

 

[CanuckG]

This game is officially over so yeah you may like the update but this game has less than a year to go now that everyone is leaving

 

[r3dm0nk3y]

Think of it this way , hosts are basically getting money REAL LIFE CASH handed to them . They host dicing games , no risks to them and they gain 10% of each pot . They go to sites like Sythe , sell off their gold to people who got cleaned dicing to them . . . Simple free cash , a revolving cycle that has been put to an end .

 

[PPP]

Good thing dicing is gone then huh

 

[Jaimie]

Think of it this way , hosts are basically getting money REAL LIFE CASH handed to them . They host dicing games , no risks to them and they gain 10% of each pot . They go to sites like Sythe , sell off their gold to people who got cleaned dicing to them . . . Simple free cash , a revolving cycle that has been put to an end .

What about hosts in say WAD, where no commission is taken and hosts risk their own money ?

In response to the people saying gambling is addictive.., people don't realise the odds are stacked against them..etc

When I was 11/12 or whenever I started RS, I was able to work out basic probability such as the odds of winning in a 60x2 cc..

 

[glamazonia]

Sorry Punker, we live in a society where that logic does not fly. By that logic, drug dealers should not be arrested, because they don't "force" anyone to use drugs. Gambling is addictive, there have been numerous studies done out there to prove this. Dicing is gambling in its purest form, and the odds that people give on Runescape are horrible. 40% win-rate on a 60x2 dice. Runescape is a young game, half the members don't even realize 60x2 is a major losing bet.

I think we all knew this day would eventually come. Runescape is not a casino, it is a role-playing game. Dicing has no relevance to the game itself. It was quite useful for hiding RWT, but at the end of the day this is no surprise by any means.

Exactly, if you lose once, a lot of the time the thought 'but next time I could win big, or the next time, or the next time, etc.' could pop up. It's why I only tried it on a mule I have and only took a set amount out that I wanted to use at maximum at the time. Kept getting tempted to go back, lol.

 

[PPP]

Exactly, if you lose once, a lot of the time the thought 'but next time I could win big, or the next time, or the next time, etc.' could pop up. It's why I only tried it on a mule I have and only took a set amount out that I wanted to use at maximum at the time. Kept getting tempted to go back, lol.

Its extremely addicting. Gambling/Drugs/Sex.
All things that keep you craving more, sex on a case by case basis.

 

[Pockets]

What about hosts in say WAD, where no commission is taken and hosts risk their own money?

There is still a massive host advantage. I don't see what your point here is.

This game is officially over so yeah you may like the update but this game has less than a year to go now that everyone is leaving

I really think that the recent updates have changed this and made it likely for Runescape to grow in the future.

 

[Rusty Anchor]

Skullballing's bad IMO :/

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Sorry Punker, we live in a society where that logic does not fly. By that logic, drug dealers should not be arrested, because they don't "force" anyone to use drugs. Gambling is addictive, there have been numerous studies done out there to prove this. Dicing is gambling in its purest form, and the odds that people give on Runescape are horrible. 40% win-rate on a 60x2 dice. Runescape is a young game, half the members don't even realize 60x2 is a major losing bet.

I do agree with you R2, but when you bring drug dealers into the scenario, it's an entirely different dynamic.. Rs, (to my knowledge), never said anything about dicing being against the rules until a few days ago. Where as, drugs are illegal to the consumer and to the seller. I've never diced in runescape, so I'm not too sure about the margins. I do know their not at all fair though. I'm pretty sure when a host even bets against somebody, that they get to keep the percentage. That truly is pathetic.

It's not the hosts fault that somebody can't control their selves though. You'd be mental to not take advantage of that. I know dicing has nothing to do with the game, but I hardly see how it's different from staking. At least the aspect of gambling. Wouldn't blame anybody if you got cleaned staking..

Punk, what if a casino opened up next door and started cleaning your (hypothetical) 13 year old sister/daughter's lunch money?

After all that's perfectly fine, she's doing it on her own remember.

Then he/she would have to learn a life lesson. If greed leads to you losing your money, then I hardly see how it's unfit. You can't honestly blame the casino for it, can you? Wouldn't blame wal-mart for selling you a pack of smokes that led you to get addicted. It was your choice for buying them in the first place. You can't use the defense of being ill minded either. Everybody should know of the risk of gambling.. It's blatantly obvious after all.

 

Here is why dicing is different from staking. Staking involves leveling your character, strategy, skill, and is extremely relevant to Runescape's culture itself. You are fighting against another character and pitting your stats / items against somebody else. In dicing, there is no strategy, no skill, no relevance to your stats / ingame content (besides the mis-use of the clan dice feature). Dicing has no place in the Runescape culture. It is a random game of chance, which the odds are predetermined, and one person has a huge fixed advantage.

If Jagex wanted a casino in Runescape, they could easily create one, where there would be no scams / fairer odds. However, this is obviously not the case right now. Maybe one day in the future it will be, but they certainly do not want a makeshift casino being run by players under any circumstances.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Here is why dicing is different from staking. Staking involves leveling your character, strategy, skill, and is extremely relevant to Runescape's culture itself. You are fighting against another character and pitting your stats / items against somebody else. In dicing, there is no strategy, no skill, no relevance to your stats / ingame content (besides the mis-use of the clan dice feature). Dicing has no place in the Runescape culture. It is a random game of chance, which the odds are predetermined, and one person has a huge fixed advantage.

If Jagex wanted a casino in Runescape, they could easily create one, where there would be no scams / fairer odds. However, this is obviously not the case right now. Maybe one day in the future it will be, but they certainly do not want a makeshift casino being run by players under any circumstances.

In staking you don't have to have skill or strategy and it still isn't relevant. If by the logic that gambling is addictive then staking is on par with dicing as far as gambling goes. I can take a level 3 and stake another level 3 and we have exactly the same stats and the same chances to win unless they glitch. At least in dicing they couldn't glitch or cheat. They just have to blatantly scam. In this case dicing is much fairer than staking if you used a legit clan. It isn't my fault people got scammed because they used unreputable dice hosts; just as it is the same way it isn't my fault if someone get scammed in a trade because they didn't use a reputable sales person.

 

[Jaimie]

There is still a massive host advantage. I don't see what your point here is.

And do people not realise this massive host advantage going into the bet ? The next part of my post explained this..

In staking you don't have to have skill or strategy and it still isn't relevant. If by the logic that gambling is addictive then staking is on par with dicing as far as gambling goes. I can take a level 3 and stake another level 3 and we have exactly the same stats and the same chances to win unless they glitch. At least in dicing they couldn't glitch or cheat. They just have to blatantly scam. In this case dicing is much fairer than staking if you used a legit clan. It isn't my fault people got scammed because they used unreputable dice hosts; just as it is the same way it isn't my fault if someone get scammed in a trade because they didn't use a reputable sales person.

This is the most sensible post in this thread in my opinion, pretty much sums it up exactly.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Here is why dicing is different from staking. Staking involves leveling your character, strategy, skill, and is extremely relevant to Runescape's culture itself. You are fighting against another character and pitting your stats / items against somebody else. In dicing, there is no strategy, no skill, no relevance to your stats / ingame content (besides the mis-use of the clan dice feature). Dicing has no place in the Runescape culture. It is a random game of chance, which the odds are predetermined, and one person has a huge fixed advantage.

If Jagex wanted a casino in Runescape, they could easily create one, where there would be no scams / fairer odds. However, this is obviously not the case right now. Maybe one day in the future it will be, but they certainly do not want a makeshift casino being run by players under any circumstances.

I really have nothing to disagree with on that post..