[Denied]Require users pardoning for doxing to pay damages

[Viking]

You and your team have been in constant drama and issues, look at artdealer and such as well, and as much as I don't see eye to eye with that guy I was surprised he hasn't got back yet

I don't hold grudges like you though, I've been nothing but honest and apologetic as I have reformed myself as a whole over the almost 2 years I was out for, so you can continue to make this thread a fake reality because we both know what you're up to, and you won't be getting anymore attention off of me as that's what you crave like you did trying to bully @Izad and actually causing him to lose money/business off your actions (sounds almost familiar right)

None the less, no support because this is a true shit show, simply because you want to act like a child instead of pming me and resolving your apparent ever lasting issue where I have been living rent free

I agree, you are too emotionally involved so I think you should not reply anymore. This suggestion is purely about rule reform and not about punishing people who already successfully pardoned, so get over yourself.

 

[President]

Boys, context is important but y'all can talk specific situations out on discord. I'd like to assume that this specific suggestion wasn't made to spite you @Dbuffed so let's take it purely as what it is - an objective suggestion

Think all has been said on the specifics of buffy's pardon, can say the rest on discord

 

I agree, you are too emotionally involved so I think you should not reply anymore. This suggestion is purely about rule reform and not about punishing people who already successfully pardoned, so get over yourself.

I'm not emotionally involved, I'm simply pointing the obvious elephant in the room out, you are using the wrong section to air your dirty laundry because you didn't get your way and had us remained banned

It isn't about those who have been pardoned, because otherwise both yourself and all your friends and your malicious activities would of been thrown in the mix. You have outlined "the new pardoned dox parties" which I think it is more than easy enough to guess who you're on about

Rest easy though viking, don't want you over thinking like you seem to be with that rent free feeling you have in your mind

 

Boys, context is important but y'all can talk specific situations out on discord. I'd like to assume that this specific suggestion wasn't made to spite you @Dbuffed so let's take it purely as what it is - an objective suggestion

Think all has been said on the specifics of buffy's pardon, can say the rest on discord

I'm done mate, I don't need to waste my time with a manchild who decides to attack people for no reason (like he did with me about my ex worker, and also izad)

Have a good day xd

 

No support, because as you already pointed out:

If someone contacted your sister and threatened them what amount could ever make up for that?

Imagine the shitstorm that'd come from setting a 'price' on repaying for doxing, just so others can disagree with the pricing made because they consider the damage done more significant.

I do agree that the ruling of a 1 month ban + DNT is quite a joke and what's more a joke is the difference made inbetween staff member's information and regular member's information, though who am I to complain.

I would say however that said ruling on banned/DNT'ed user's information who have a debt should be a bit more lenient.

 

[tendyies]

See I believe the world to be a you get what you give and in this situation it’d be near impossible to determine the value of a “dox” moving homes/ new # etc this stuff can be roughly valued. I do believe that some form of repayment whether that to be a community repayment etc and have a set value determined for example a dox = 2k or sent some form of rule/precedent.

 

I had a long response typed out, but it isn't even necessary.

Candidly, I think TRUE doxing [not just the release of an IRL name or picture, etc.] is awful and should be handled as a severe offence. However, you can't broad-stroke a value to doxing "damages." These occurrences are so few and far between that they must be handled on a case by case basis. If the staff team feels that a doxing incident was bad enough to deserve a permanent ban, then that's what the individual would get.

This suggestion makes no logical sense, I'm sorry. No support.

 

agree. should only be on serious dox and there should be an outline of what makes up a 'serious dox.' doxing someones name =/= doxing someones location, name, family, background, etc.

determining the monetary value is tough though.

 

no support. I think the current punishment is fine.

 

[icake]

However, you can't broad-stroke a value to doxing "damages."

You definitely can.

Leaking someone's address is the most serious offense that you can commit here as it has the greatest risks of possible criminality (swatting). Therefore, you either pay the amount that it cost for the victim to move, or you stay banned.

As for the rest of the articles that align with doxing such as phone number, picture, and name, those can be decided by a predetermined monetary agreement that staff as a collective agrees on. For example, in my opinion, I feel that 500$ is a significant amount to deter someone from engaging in activities that can cause inconvenience to someone's way of life. If staff were to vote and decide 500$ was appropriate, then an offender pays 500$ or they stay banned.

I would say that before that point, I feel that the rule would need to be changed. I think we can all agree that simply a name shouldn't count as doxing.

 

You definitely can.

Leaking someone's address is the most serious offense that you can commit here as it has the greatest risks of possible criminality (swatting). Therefore, you either pay the amount that it cost for the victim to move, or you stay banned.

As for the rest of the articles that align with doxing such as phone number, picture, and name, those can be decided by a predetermined monetary agreement that staff as a collective agrees on. For example, in my opinion, I feel that 500$ is a significant amount to deter someone from engaging in activities that can cause inconvenience to someone's way of life. If staff were to vote and decide 500$ was appropriate, then an offender pays 500$ or they stay banned.

I would say that before that point, I feel that the rule would need to be changed. I think we can all agree that simply a name shouldn't count as doxing.

I'm sorry, but you sound absolutely ridiculous. Pay for someone to move?
Can one of the big gold websites please dox me and pay my $525K mortgage off? What are you even saying? That makes no sense.

Look at the sheer volume of reports that have come through Sythe since it's inception. If I had to guess, dox'ing accounts for less than .000001% of those reports. Even less are REAL dox reports [more than what is ultimately harmless IRL release of name, picture, etc.] They should be handled on a case-by-case basis, and nothing more. Even if you wanted to attribute a monetary value to dox'ing, you couldn't generalize it.

 

[Viking]

I'm sorry, but you sound absolutely ridiculous. Pay for someone to move?
Can one of the big gold websites please dox me and pay my $525K mortgage off? What are you even saying? That makes no sense.

Look at the sheer volume of reports that have come through Sythe since it's inception. If I had to guess, dox'ing accounts for less than .000001% of those reports. Even less are REAL dox reports [more than what is ultimately harmless IRL release of name, picture, etc.] They should be handled on a case-by-case basis, and nothing more. Even if you wanted to attribute a monetary value to dox'ing, you couldn't generalize it.

In the last month 2 people have successfully pardoned for doxing and 1 person has been repeatedly denied. Sure the quantity is much smaller than scam pardons, does that mean it should be completely ignored?

 

[icake]

I'm sorry, but you sound absolutely ridiculous. Pay for someone to move?
Can one of the big gold websites please dox me and pay my $525K mortgage off? What are you even saying? That makes no sense.

Look at the sheer volume of reports that have come through Sythe since it's inception. If I had to guess, dox'ing accounts for less than .000001% of those reports. Even less are REAL dox reports [more than what is ultimately harmless IRL release of name, picture, etc.] They should be handled on a case-by-case basis, and nothing more. Even if you wanted to attribute a monetary value to dox'ing, you couldn't generalize it.

It makes plenty of sense if you read it.

If YOU cannot pay the cost of damages that YOU created, YOU cannot return to the community, period.

The number of people that have been victimized from doxing here is redundant. One is one too many, and the purpose here is to create preventive measures so that it doesn't happen. Further, it's a very simple concept - if you post someone's address online, you have the intention of causing the worst possible scenario to that person.

Do you really want someone who posts another persons address to be in this community? Would you be ok if someone published your home address on Sythe?

If the monetary amount is a concern for you, then forget it and simply don't allow anyone that posts addresses to pardon. Easy.

 

In the last month 2 people have successfully pardoned for doxing and 1 person has been repeatedly denied. Sure the quantity is much smaller than scam pardons, does that mean it should be completely ignored?

Does that mean what should be completely ignored? Where did I mention that dox pardons should/shouldn't be ignored? Not sure what you're talking about.

Staff made a collective decision that those two users you are referring to have served ample punishment and/or are no longer a threat to the community and were allowed to return. The third is being denied, continually, which really validates my point more than anything that you can't and don't need to tie a monetary value to non-monetary related punishments.

It makes plenty of sense if you read it.

If YOU cannot pay the cost of damages that YOU created, YOU cannot return to the community, period.

The number of people that have been victimized from doxing here is redundant. One is one too many, and the purpose here is to create preventive measures so that it doesn't happen. Further, it's a very simple concept - if you post someone's address online, you have the intention of causing the worst possible scenario to that person.

Do you really want someone who posts another persons address to be in this community? Would you be ok if someone published your home address on Sythe?

If the monetary amount is a concern for you, then forget it and simply don't allow anyone that posts addresses to pardon. Easy.

First of all - relax. I hate dox'ing as much as the next guy and do agree that it's about the worst thing that can be done online.

Where did I ever mention that I want someone who posts another person's address to be in this community? Where did I post that I thought it'd be okay for someone to publish my home address?

In fact, if you read it, "what I said makes plenty of sense" - as I said earlier:

If the staff team feels that a doxing incident was bad enough to deserve a permanent ban, then that's what the individual would get.

I'm all for someone who dox's another user - talking legitimate dox - receiving a permanent ban. Let's change the rules on that. We're on the same page there. However, you're absolutely delusional if you think "paying for relocation," which quite literally could be hundreds of thousands of dollars, is a fair punishment.

 

@owned ill say what I said before, this is a piss poor example of what rules should be

I agree with you fully, you can't just "pay for someone's new house" as that would never happen not by a mile

As for the "2 people in question" we all know who this thread was based off, after the countless discord comments but who am I to talk (this thread should be in spam)

 

[Viking]

Yes let's get off the ridiculousness in this thread, paying for someone to relocate makes absolutely no sense.

The bottom line here is that I don't feel that time away from the forums during a dnt/ban due to doxing is a sufficient enough punishment and the victim should receive some sort of compensation. Quantifying it by saying "they should be paid the relocation fees" is going a little too deep and this debate should stay surface level.

Of course the mods can decide that time away from the forums is punishment enough and that is their prerogative.

 

Yes let's get off the ridiculousness in this thread, paying for someone to relocate makes absolutely no sense.

The bottom line here is that I don't feel that time away from the forums during a dnt/ban due to doxing is a sufficient enough punishment and the victim should receive some sort of compensation. Quantifying it by saying "they should be paid the relocation fees" is going a little too deep and this debate should stay surface level.

Of course the mods can decide that time away from the forums is punishment enough and that is their prerogative.

If its an actual full leak, like you purposely breach information with the purpose of being malicious I can agree with some points you make,

However with you bringing up the dumb crap me and another did just to throw stones just waters it down, use it as a base to what you want to get to but simply picking it apart is just meh

 

[Viking]

However with you bringing up the dumb crap me and another did just to throw stones just waters it down, use it as a base to what you want to get to but simply picking it apart is just meh

That's because most rules/procedures are based on previous situations. Just like how they come up with new service rulings and dealings with ironman accounts based on past reports & pardons.

Makes more sense to talk about something that already happened rather than trying to set rules up for theoretical scenarios.

 

That's because most rules/procedures are based on previous situations. Just like how they come up with new service rulings and dealings with ironman accounts based on past reports & pardons.

Makes more sense to talk about something that already happened rather than trying to set rules up for theoretical scenarios.

if that's the case, then i'm sure me and you can talk about this sort of stuff instead of us getting all angry with each other lmao

the ironman stuff was the right call, although I couldn't comment on it (obviously being banned and all) i really appreciated that being looked into, even as someone who isn't one, if it's full leak though yeah i can get behind that just so we're on the right subject

Something simple as let's say the contacting of someone to get your funds back, or a simple name leak by accident is not a "major" crime, but none the less a dumb ass thing to do even if you call it light doxing, but going to the extent of malicious intent and actually doing it so this/those people get harm bought to them in such ways like swatting (i think you mentioned it?, or someone did) and say like to the point you're now scared for your life because of potential bad problems that is always going to be something that needs to be taken further

 

[President]

You definitely can.

Leaking someone's address is the most serious offense that you can commit here as it has the greatest risks of possible criminality (swatting). Therefore, you either pay the amount that it cost for the victim to move, or you stay banned.

As for the rest of the articles that align with doxing such as phone number, picture, and name, those can be decided by a predetermined monetary agreement that staff as a collective agrees on. For example, in my opinion, I feel that 500$ is a significant amount to deter someone from engaging in activities that can cause inconvenience to someone's way of life. If staff were to vote and decide 500$ was appropriate, then an offender pays 500$ or they stay banned.

I would say that before that point, I feel that the rule would need to be changed. I think we can all agree that simply a name shouldn't count as doxing.

Can you please join my national privacy authorities? You might aswell fix our broken housing-market

It makes plenty of sense if you read it.

If YOU cannot pay the cost of damages that YOU created, YOU cannot return to the community, period.

The number of people that have been victimized from doxing here is redundant. One is one too many, and the purpose here is to create preventive measures so that it doesn't happen. Further, it's a very simple concept - if you post someone's address online, you have the intention of causing the worst possible scenario to that person.

Do you really want someone who posts another persons address to be in this community? Would you be ok if someone published your home address on Sythe?

If the monetary amount is a concern for you, then forget it and simply don't allow anyone that posts addresses to pardon. Easy.

Okay so if I leave a brick somewhere and someone picks it up and smashes someone's skull in, I should face jail right?

In liability law there's this phenomenon called "causa proxima". Highly recommend to read up on it! Establishing "conditio sine qua non" is never enough in itself.