[denied] Make buying accounts cheap to resale higher against the rules.

Are 99 scams worth the 1% that works? you can say its an open market but right now its just a scam market in this sense.

Would you prefer 99 scams to 1 ok trade in this situation or would you prefer 99 people get scammed so 1 person can do a fair trade.

Yellow Hat

 

Easy make new sellers verify they are the OO of the accounts they have purchased, if someone says yeah im the OO make them prove it and how do you prove it? have a global mod confirm they can recover the account without email access to the account in mention.

Most people selling 10+ accounts and joined 1 month ago are either scamming or are vading.

Its not complicated at all, whats complicated is being "politically correct".

Yellow Hat

 

Account sales have always had gray areas, and they always will. I feel like it would be too much of a hassle to actually verify that every account isn't being resold. If you have a solution that actually makes it possible to tell if an account is OO or resale then please share. I think that it should be against the rules to resell regardless as you aren't the OO.

 

Stop being sensitive and take care of the community.

Everyone wants to get but hurt over something instead of protecting users who are new to the site.

Yellow Hat

 

Its a hastle for who? What about the people who worked hard for their money and got scammed because the site they found on google didnt do enough to protect them.

People come here with trust and no knowledge of what sythe really is.

We should do more as a community to protect our members.

Ifs its "too much work" then find someone willing to do the work because the want to help others.

Yellow Hat

 

You can recover an account without being the OO on it....

Therein lies the issue. You are expecting Sythe to be this Utopian safe haven for newcomers that is going to provide a perfectly innocent black market experience. This will never happen, unfortunately.

Instead of advocating for a police-state Sythe, let's work on implementing strategies to educate newcomers before they even make it to the marketplace. This way, they're free to spend their money as they please and do so in an educated way.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

 

So so so so rare for something without creation location, IP and at least 3 passwords that span from start to finish to recover.

Your logic is saying "well because 1/100 people can recover then it doesn't make sense.

do you think its right for someone to buy an account thats worth $300 for $30 and sell to someone else for $150 because the OO and the seller will scamquit?

The only person thats getting hurt here is the end user, the person buying it last is getting fucked and it doesnt just affect those 3 parties it affects the entire market.

Think in a broader picture, people are getting scammed constantly because 1 user joins buys accounts for 10% market value from a scammer whos selling for 10% market value because they know they are going to scamquit.

YH

 

I see your points YH. But even if we changed/made it a rule etc however you would like it worded monitoring it would be near impossible which is another issue.

 

Near impossible doesn't mean its not possible, most of the scams on this site are account scams, rsps scams, and gold scams.

We as a community should focus on what we can try to fix

YH

 

I understand 100% what you're saying and where you're coming from. But not sure that this is something that is fixable. Also the argument of Sythe being a free market will come into play.

 

Personally, I think the idea of buying an account period has risks and I don’t recommend it (I think using an AIO service would be a better idea for those that are worried as it is your own personal account/mitigates the risk of recovery). Whether you purchase an account cheap to flip it or make an account from scratch and have a worker raise the account. The same worker could play the account long enough to make them the valid owner and also a recovery possible. I personally have the same business model you are condoning, I’ve bought accounts for cheap and resell them for a lot higher (sometimes 100-1000%+ profit), but I ask for extensive recovery/Creation/payment history of the accounts. It is a risk, but one that I accept in exchange for the possibility of profiting. I’m personally not a fan of buying an account and leaving it registered under a “trusted” users email, it makes it feel like you are renting the account more than actually owning it. Bare in mind that this is sythe.com, we are already breaking the ToS of Jagex by selling intellectual property we do not own. So by limiting certain aspects of account selling you will be limiting a large scope of it, or giving favoritism to a niche of account selling that favors your business model.

 

You know there are people who join sell accounts for cheap pricing just to scam others and you know people are joining buying these accounts and reselling them.

If there's nothing we can do then thats fine I think theres something this site can do to protect end users who are buying them not knowing or understading the situation.

Even if my suggestion isn't a fix we have a fix as a community that can handle it.

Yellow Hat

 

I am all for fixing a system that is broken, but when pointing out one I believe that an explanation should be offered with a solution as replacement. Simply because without one, it does sound a bit hypocritical. So in your opinion what do you think should change to prevent these problems? ( in regards to prevention and reparation) @Yellow_Hat_OSRS_Services

 

Outright banning resales isn't the answer.
Making resellers take more than just 1 month liability is.

 

Issue isn't the length of time for most "resellers" they just join buy cheap accounts from scammers then resale to unsuspecting new members who think their getting a good deal.

But I think everyones right what are we "really" going to do about it, check every person posting and make them verify their OO, theres no way to do it and even though it would be nice to ban the reseller market completely theres not a way since most new buyers dont even ask if you're OO or care to check.


TLDR good suggestion bad platform to try and implement it.

Yellow Hat

 

Sythe is a free market. Anyone has the ability to signup to provide their services. New users would first have to gain a reputation by undergoing trades, and perhaps offering their services with certain advantages (i.e. slightly lower prices, better customer service, etc.) to sway users from big providers. By disallowing new users to resell accounts, it stymies new enterprises. All of these "big" users had to start somewhere.

I will say that account resales are something I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. However, I don't think it's my place to dictate what trades users should undergo. There are obviously a lot of users who try to take advantage of the naivety of other users. Like many have mentioned in this thread, the best way we can protect consumers is through education, and not necessarily extreme measures.

That being said, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but in the past, TwCs were handed to users with unusual prices. If someone was selling gold for substantially lower than their market value, we found that to be suspicious enough to warrant a TwC. I know I've handed similar TwCs in the past. If you see someone selling an account for $25 that is clearly worth far more, report them for suspicious behavior. I don't see why that wouldn't be a cause for one. You can do your part to help users from not getting scammed this way.