[Denied] Give ex-OMMs a funrank instead of a minirank

I'll agree with Zuzel and R2P. Back in the early teen years trust was a lot harder to come by and those who had OMM really deserved it. I was only 13-14 back in 2011 but you hardly saw that rank, and if you did the credentials on the person were clean and clear to say the least. A funrank would be suiting to replace the old funrank. So support. As much as it may have seemed outdated and redundant, that doesn't mean that those who had it didn't earn something great, and I appreciate those who worked to earn it.

 

I wasn't aware trust was the reason OMM were removed. Interesting.

 

For me personally giving a former omm funrank to those who had the rank once it was retired is going against the community consensus. OMM's know they monopolized their own rank and to their own downfall, ignorance of this is even worse. If they had complaints and they voiced them to their superior's (head omm) and they were being ignored there are other ports of call, feedback threads, suggestion threads and richard.
If the rank was suggested again under new stipulations I'd be open to seeing what's suggested. I think what would be fair is to give a funrank from the ones available for their service and to give R2P back the one he was robbed of.

1. *
   Remove it completely. It's outdated.
   52 vote(s)
   57.1%
2. 
   Revamp the rank (explain below)
   30 vote(s)
   33.0%
3. 
   Leave it as is.
   9 vote(s)
   9.9%

 

Just wanting to reply to your comment, OMM lounge was active. It was the staff team that wasn't active. I've reached out to the staff team multiple times to get the ball rolling on new OMMs and other things, and I always got the same reply "this is being discussed with the staff team".
The issue OMM had is that we did not have an active HMM, and everything was being discussed within the staff team itself which resulted in absolutely nothing as the staff team did not care about OMMs.
It's clear they did not care from the amount of time they needed to 'discuss' (I'm talking 6+ months). This all makes it quite unfair for OMMs. The vitality of the rank was monitored by a bunch of people who simply do not care and did not make changes, or appoint an actual HMM when required.

 

OMM was about a useless symbol of trust that people used to gain more money for MM trades and have advantages over other traders in their respective markets.

Of course previous OMMs are going to complain that their rank is being removed but the vast majority thinks that it's completely useless, hence why it got removed in the first place.

 

I find it very sad you are using the fact they charged for their time as a way to undermine everything positive they did. Sounds like some issues you need to deal with. Seeing as how you haven't been on this site for a year (wink wink), you sure have strong feelings about OMM. Bless you.

 

I find it sad that the only reason people aimed for OMM is so they can charge more for their time rather than genuinely try to help people. If so they shouldn't be OMMs in the first place and were the reason why the rank got deleted.

I'm sure some were good but the vast majority locked their services behind a large paywall and barely anyone used them in the end.

 

I aimed for OMM but I had no plans of charging, nor have I ever charged. @Pegasus and others aimed for OMM as well with no plans of charging, So your point is invalid and you clearly don't understand what OMM brought to Sythe from the beginning whether or not they weren't as active in the past year or two. I voted to remove the rank because of the inactivity and the amount of great MM that are more active presently but I'm not going to berate them for charging for their time.

 

This statement makes no sense, and is a logical fallacy.

Users put in countless hours towards achieving their OMM status, and there was never a rule which stated you could not charge. The reward, per se, was A) the OMM rank, and B) being able to command a price for your time.

The apparent benefits to being an OMM were evident - you appear to think that OMM's charging for their time was something that gradually crept up, and was a factor in removal of the rank. It was not.

No, the difference is, it had BECOME redundant. It was never useless, far from it. The rank becoming redundant does not discount the years OMM's were heavily used.

Whether a fun rank is a relevant reward or not, I don't think you actually have any clue what you're talking about.

Wrong, again. Charging for their time is not why the rank was deleted. Secondly, wanting to gain OMM status as such so you can charge for your time is fine - there is nothing wrong with that. It's akin to using a donor rank, or any rank for that matter, to promote your business, and charge/get a higher price.

Again, two irrelevant statements.

The decline in usage stemmed from the market and user-base evolving, and that new resulting equilibrium gradually evolving ever so slightly more, until we reached an essential stagnated stage (i.e today) were OMM's were not needed. Some elements relative to OMM's not being needed can be demonstrated by, far more trustworthy users and market giants, generally resulting in most customers engaging in business with them, which removes the need for OMM's, websites being far more prevalent, trusted Discord servers, far less new business coming to the website (more return customers and seasoned traders), etc.

 

Many of you guys who complained about OMMs charging fees don't get few things.
1) People who went for OMM sacrificed their time for totally free.
2) After you are OMM if you bump your thread constantly you get easily 30 requests per day, you have to limit that demand to avoid being slave of community.
3) it's free market and everyone decides how much is their time and knowledge worth
As OMM I had few trades totally free of charge in my offer.
Before becoming OMM everyone has MMed hundreds of times for free which is huge effort into community.
4) if OMMs werent charging fees wouldn't be able to compete with them to gain trades for their own apps.

When I became OMM the rank was permament and it was not stripped even for inactive MMs, this changed years later, the only excuse is if you scammed, that was the only thing that could make you lose this rank

 

i will vote for no support

1. omms charged for their trades so i persoanly see no reason for them to get funrank for that[btw its nothing. wrong if they charged but thats same as bondholders would get ex bondholder rank while we charge/make money with rank we have]

2. you. cannot compare mods / omms because mods spend time applying and after they get accepted they work for free thats why they get rank after retirement

3. its pretty much omms fault they lost their rank anyway not professinale/inactive/insane fees [well insane fees made omms inactive cus no one is going to use omm if they charge 10% fee]

 

That's not true at all, the rank didn't survive the test of time and wasn't adjusted when it needed to be. A lot of the MM's that either applied or were going to apply at one point were doing it because a big achievement, MM wasn't profitable to say the least. Can you imagine all the time spent to even earn OMM in the first place, if you counted all those hours up and did an estimate on the average rate an OMM charged and what they made afterwards, it'd probably be 12cents an hour.

I like you Amy and I don't intend to be rule at all, but you joined the community when the OMM had become useless as the system to approve new MM's were so strict that you had 2000+ vouches users mming for free, at that point it's safe to assume where most of your consumers went.

 

People are acting like OMM's were making stacks of money. I guarantee 50%+ of the trades they were working on ended up not even happening. So right off the bat half the trades are a complete waste of time, because one party is trying to angle the other or whatever. OMM's are usually mediating a deal between two untrusted users.

Then a lot of the trades are for tiny amounts. Maybe $10-20 total value in the trade. What's a 10% fee in that case? For 10-20 minutes of your time? If you break it down on an hourly basis, I guarantee OMM's were never making more than $10/hour. And it takes over 100 hours of mediating trades just to get the title in the first place. So let's not act like OMM's were rolling in dough.

The problem with OMM'ing is that it's a highly manual process, and is only needed between untrusted users. It's pretty uncommon that someone sells 1B OSRS through an OMM. They mostly get the smaller or more obscure trades.

People charging a reasonable price for their time should never be a sin against them. The idea that they somehow owed Sythe.org their labor as an Middleman is ridiculous. This forum is popular because there's money changing hands. There's a lot of businesses here, big and small. For most people it's their first opportunity to try their hands at being an entrepreneur or a freelancer.

We should celebrate that this forum has inspired people to take on very successful entrepreneurial careers. Some great examples out there, none better than Jesse Powell, the founder of Kraken (news flash, he started out by selling RS Gold)

Jesse Powell: Founder and CEO of Kraken | #28 | Cointelegraph

 

I'm really torn on this to be honest.
On one hand, I completely understand why you feel like you're being cheated out of a fun rank. You put a lot of time and effort into obtaining the OMM rank. From this point of view, a fun rank for a fun rank makes complete sense.

However, where I get slightly irritated is with, what I feel like is, the why behind the ask.
The intention of the OMM role was to provide trustworthy & safe middleman options to prevent the prevalence of scamming. The role was never intended to provide a competitive advantage, which is what was lost when the rank was removed. Historically, as I provided evidence to in the last thread, OMM's use the title in all of their BST threads to gain an edge - whether it be more gold sales customers or justifying an extra $100 on an account sale [Can't fault OMMs there.. anyone in the role would do this whether they'll admit it or not]. Wanting to maintain a fun rank, use [Retired-OMM] in thread titles, etc. is using the position for personal gain. I do not think that is right nor do I support exploiting a role that was created solely for the betterment of the community.



Again, I'm really on the fence here. Ultimately, I do think I'm leaning more towards a fun rank being a justified ask as a notion of respect for those who had it. I think that’s fair.
If approved, I want to provide some thought towards what the fun rank would be.

“Retired OMM” “Ex-OMM” etc. are tacky. These imply that an active OMM role is still in existence as others have already mentioned.

Anything involving trusted is a slipper slope in my opinion, as well. Doing so would insinuate that Sythe (the website) guarantees your trustworthiness. Would not look good if another Azie situation arose and the person had a “trusted” fun rank. Have to be very careful with subjective terminology that is backed by the website (ownership and staff team inadvertently).

 

Make a new rank: Community Middleman

Revamp the previous system, CM must be free of charge,..

The sole aim should be to help the community.

 

Don't support this. The Fun Rank would still provide EX-OMM with this trust they want removed.

 

A fun rank is not a sign of trust. Trust is subjective as it is anyway.



Anyway I am going to offer support. OMM is not an easy rank to obtain so I agree with swapping to a fun rank instead of a mini rank as the population that had OMM is so small anyway.