[DENIED] Enforce bondholders to take all donations

Hai, I've quit taking donations as bondholder (hopefully temporarily) though I keep getting requests. Not too long ago I heard from one of those users who wanted to donate is that several bondholders refused to take donations below $50. My suggestion here is to require all bondholders to take any donation of any possible amount. I can understand that some of the bondholders take fees (even though nobody states the fees in their threads which is a requirement) though I can not understand and I refuse to understand why someone would not be willing to take donations of lower than $50 USD. In the end I like to believe that we're providing donation services here for the users, instead of providing them so that we make an extra few bucks on the side. Sure it's a voluntary position, but we're already allowed to charge fees for them (which I barely ever did) so why should we allow be allowed to take only a certain amount of donations?

 

Who’d of thought it would be such a chore? Good looking out @Wortel. If anything, the program run by Sythe to accept donations is just that — a donation. I think if you are a bond holder, I’d hope you’d honor all donations. It’s to help the site, not your credibility or what you deem “worth your time”. Thanks for listening.

 

why would they decline donations below $50?

 

Because they wouldn't want to do the effort for such a little profit. Pretty scummy move imo.

OT: yh totally agree.
Some people as you mentioned are only bond holder because they want to earn an extra buck, while the purpose of a bondholder is to have the responsibility to process donations, not for personal gain.

 

There's nothing wrong with making money off being a bondholder, they aren't staff volunteering their time. Just promote the roll more and new members will apply for the position, taking all donations they can, there are plenty of trusted people who I'm sure would be happy to.

 

How can we become a bondholder?

 

message matthew

 

I can become a bondholder!

 

Bondholder is a significant spot of trust. You have to keep in mind that @Matthew and @Sythe take often large amounts of liability from bond-holders. The vast majority of donations run via PP which is what most bond holders choose to top-up their bonds with. Thus meaning if a bond holder tops up $500 a week for 6 months your talking a whopping $12,000 of potential chargebacks that the owners could face. Promoting bond holders from anyone outside extremely trusted users is begging for disaster.

The fact is that there simply are not a lot of people who give a shit about being a bond holder. I was a bond holder twice and it's really more stress than its worth. It's often time consuming - you run the risk of getting RWT banned on RS - You risk chargebacks - All to benefit the site which really doesn't give a shit about you.

Bond holders are one of the least respected ranks(if not the least respected) - They put up with a lot of shit for what amounts to 5-10% margins if your lucky. It doesn't surprise me one bit that smaller donations are now being rejected. Why would a bond holder want to process your $5 or $25 donation where their lucky to make a few bucks on $25 of risk and have to deal with your shit all for a rank that nobody remembers(its temporary) and nobody gives a shit about?

Your better off joining CDT or some team and sitting and doing nothing than you are a bond holder. Bond holders get no respect or appreciation from staff like ass-kissers on CDT to, it doesn't help you towards mod, there is pretty much no benefit to the rank what so ever now, just a bunch of risk. I don't even recall getting as much as a thank you for being a bond holder TWICE from anyone when I didn't make a dime.

It's a shitty rank with no respect and nobody, not even the owners give a shit about them now adays.

Don't blame bond holders for a second for not taking under $50. Takes a bond holder to know the shit I'm talking about. Put your cash on the line to help the site, deal with idiots to help the site, have your rank vanish after your done, get not so much as a thank you and poof, like you were never a bond holder.

The types of trusted users Matthew wants to be bond holders don't want to put up with that shit. The guys who are that trusted have companies to run, families to raise, bills to pay, yeah we want to help the site if we can but being a bond holder is shit.

You want more active, trusted bond holders that will help process donations? Offer more incentives like a bond-holder fun-rank after you do it for 3-6 months or a random funrank after a year or some other incentive. It's a temporary no respect position that you cant even tell someone was once they stop being one.

Most bond holders probably handle just as much as your standard OMM does yet they get none of the perks OMM's get FOREVER. The rank is so unbalanced compared to the rest of Sythe. OMM's don't even help the site -> they help consumers on the site trade safer and take a fee and can do that FOREVER. Bond holders directly aid the site for penny's if anything after chargebacks and get a minirank that vanishes.

Years ago being a bond holder meant you could make some OK-decent money and it was well worth your time both to help the community and your bank account. Now there's barely any community left to help and your lucky if you break even as a bond holder.

Dude donates $5 to a bond holder and pays $7-> Chargeback-> $25.00 fee win or lose and if you lose the case = $-30 your out and damage to your PP over $5 to help the site.

Dude donates $25 to a bond holder and pays $30-> Chargeback -> $25.00 fee win or lose and if you lose the case your now -$50 over a $25 donation to help the site.

The simple fact is that fraud rates in RS gold typically run pretty high when its something like a 3rd party donation -> To be able to break even as a bond holder charging $30 for a $25 donation you have to process 5 $30 donations to makeup for 1 of those being chargedbacked(AND THATS ASSUMING YOU WIN THE CASE) if you LOSE the case than that's $50 you lose and you have to process 10 donations to BREAK EVEN(Not even profit).

Smaller donations are just becoming less and less viable for bond holders to process - You cant blame them for trying to avoid losing their own money to benefit this site?

If the financials of being a bond holder for donations under $50 are becoming unstable or bond holders are losing money than that's something the owners need to address in some form whether that be taking more direct methods, offering incentives(Like a fun rank or a free donor rank upgrade for losses took or some other incentive), growing the community more to stabilize donations, there's options to take but I don't think this is a bond holder issue, its a site issue that needs addressed from the top.

Your suggestion and solution are targeting the wrong people, forcing bond holders to potentially take losses or waste their time over a donation that's going to lose them money is going to make the rank even more worthless/shit than it already is.

No support.

 

They should create a Bitcoin payment directly on the website... lot of service offer crypto payement option with a HTML code that take 2 minutes to set up, dont know why it not a thing

 

Actually dislike @Divine But have to agree with his post. To me, bond holders were always just normal users but they go through a lot of shit and try to help a site, that in the end doesn't really care much for them.

No support

 

So

So you believe a donation can be denied if the amount doesn’t weigh worth a bond holders time?

 

A donation can be denied for any reason first off. That's why there are multiple bond holders. 2nd off if a donation physically loses a bond holder money you can bet ur ass it wont be taken. 3rd off what $500 donor with a business to run do you know that wants to put up with a retard and risk a $25.00 chargeback fee for $2 profit?

Bond holders get the shit end of the stick because after $25 u can donate directly so you do 10 $5 donations - make $20 than one of the 10 gets charged back and u wasted about 6 hours of accepting donations only to lose $5 and get a damaged paypal.

Does that seem like something a bond holder is going to do for a site that gives them no recognition beyond a temporary minirank and doesn't give a shit about them? If you think so you've got another thing coming.

 

last guy wanted 20 pct of my 150 donation attempt lol, it was a btc payment too. Turned me off from donating.

 

CDT always has been and always will be a utter waste of time. I support efforts that actually help the forum. I make my livelihood from digital marketing and last I heard Sythe agrees that CDT is nothing but a waste of space and a way to mod hunt. I've made 6 mod apps and my #1 issue listed on all 6 has been to abolish the teams. Every single one of them is a mix of failed projects, scam quitting members, stepping stone for mod hunters and something you join for a rank. The teams have been absolute failed projects from the start that should of came to the end of their life long ago. The only reason CDT has survived is because staff need some way to identify even half-assed candidates because they cant find anyone else because the community is so fucking dead. Anyone who tells you different is a liar.

Sorry if people get butthurt but as a wise man once said "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH"!

Also since your being an asshat - I went and checked - Wortel,mootrucks,realist and Bogdan = current bond holders of those 4, 3 of them accept paypal. So that "most bond holders don't take paypal" I guess in your eyes the 1 of the 4 is "most" disregarding the fact that right now 75% of bond holders do? Go check their donation threads before speaking pls.

tdrl(ucwhatIdidhere?):
ABM is inbred.

 

@Wortel I take and process all donation amounts.
Which bondholders refused to take donations below $50? This is the first I'm hearing of this.

@Wortel If you get any $5/$25 donation requests be sure to send em my way I will gladly process them.

 

Ill have to agree I mean it takes all of what 10 minutes to process a donation? They are doing a service for the community and are put in position to take them so yes take all of them or don't do the service at all.

While its being discussed it took be days probably a week to get my donations in just finding a bond holder to take payments, transferring btc to paypal or other forms of payments just to make donation etc. Honestly donations shouldn't be a hassle "they are helping the community out" ease of access should be the main priority.

 

Suppressing donations by charging high must be nice!

By the way, anyone whose reading this. Purchase a $5 donor rank from a bondholder then directly donate to sythe using paypal is the cheapest.