Denial of workers using gold sites vouches

So before anyone assumes this thread is based on my recent argument towards @Worm on Adbundies gold site this is but isn't at the same time so let's not be bias here via targeting 1 member.

So the point I am making and I have asked here - https://osbot.org/forum/topic/129283-discussion-of-feedbackvouches/ as well for those of who also have an OSbot account and want to participate.

As I say on there, and for those of you who cannot actually access/see it I will repeat - Should websites workers/co owners or whatever you want to call yourselves be allowed to use websites feedback/vouches?

The point I am making here, I can claim i'm the queen but am I the queen? Of course i'm not, that's pretty much me claiming identity theft if I wanted to go to the full extent. Now my gripe here is that it's not just "worm" specifically who i'm claiming here, as it's happened multiple times. I have had people add me on Skype and the good old "Hey, I see you're selling gold heres my vouches <links some random shit I have to read over>" - The fact remains, it's their "sites" not theirs specifically.

Now, as I said above if you're a WORKER you are not actually entitled at least in my opinion to call them yours. You work under a company which is not owned by you yourself. If this was the case, I could claim my trades from people like @Divine RSCrown and Noble (when both of them two owned scapestock.com) if I wanted to go down that route as could anyone else with any trades they have done via gold sites as well.

This should be ruled out, because it seems to happen quite a bit, and if there are other opinions that's completely fine, however there are plenty of gold sites and other traders in fact who get affected and scammed and just because the "owner" is liable it doesn't mean they are always going to pay out.

 

You operate under the name of the company/thread. It's been discussed in the past.

If anything were to happen while the worker was performing duties under the site name, the responsibility lies on the owner/operator of the site/thread.

Same thing as if you were to have a worker/manager of a service thread. If something were to go wrong, the fault lies on the person in charge/running the show.

Do I think you should be able to claim the vouches as your own, hell no. No one does that. That's why they are under a different vouch thread. If you're operating under the name of the person who owns the vouch thread however, that should carry weight because the responsibility aspect lies on them.

Do I think other sites vouches should count on here? Hell no. Who knows if these other sites vouches were exploited, I don't care about other sites. I don't perform there, and don't know how things are conducted elsewhere so I don't take that into account. So I'll say yes to that aspect. I also feel that is at the discretion of the people that are performing the trade though. Some people might be familiar with them on the other sites.

 

I think you have decided not to read my full post.

And whilst you decided now to claim "should we be allowed to use sites vouches" you just yourself tried to exploit it. I am using OSbot as another platform to discuss this same thing to enlighten people such as yourself who try to act smart when you're far from it.

 

Unless the trade is happening through the site, no matter what specific circumstances I don't think the vouches are relevant to the worker

 

Skimmed this but from what I gather when conducting business on behalf of the company you're entitled to state and use the company's reputation and rightfully so. Workers are a representative of the company and in the event of a scam that company would have to rf. But if workers are claiming the company's vouches as their own for trades unrelated to the company I think that should fall under fake vouches, or at least have the same punishment.

 

Well yea, 95% of workers for gold sites operate solely under the website from my knowledge.
I personally always ask potential buyers/sellers to come to the site and conduct through the livechat if they have any doubt to my identity, and want to secure themselves under the company name 100%.

I'm pretty sure that even conducted outside of the site, if the individual is listed as a person to do business on the thread it still comes back on the site.

 

I don't think so as that would just open site owners up to so many scams, add someone on skype", on behalf of this site i wana buy 10b 07", gets 10b 07, lul peace, dispute vs site owner pl0x

tldr: vouches for a site you work on even if mentioning you by name are not vouches for you

 

I did say listed on the thread. Not everyone is listed on the thread.
If it can be proven that the person you were conducting business with owned the account that was listed then it would be the fault of the site.

 

listing other people on thread, is normally so they can confirm you are on the correct site via a pm,when owner is not online without sharing sythe info, not to trade with them with the trust of the site IMO,
in this instance, if you had linked to the thread and said come on here to sell and linked site + vouches, woulda been alright in my view, but because you linked the vouches as your own, thats not right, should probs deserve twc

 

I did NOT link vouches under my own name
Literally this is EXACTLY what was said:

This is my personal account : Worm

I operate under AbundyGold. I am the co-owner.

Our vouch thread:
ABUNDY Vouch Thread
Here is our 07 Selling Thread: https://www.sythe.org/threads/www-a...1-06-m-200-donor-paypal-card-btc-250-vouches/

I am listed as an 'Official Worker' at the bottom of the selling thread.
I can also confirm with you on the livechat if you wish. Whatever verification methods you would prefer

 

An example of this would be that @Worm linked me another sites (the one he claims to work under) vouches and not his own when requested. Of course I decline this, so it all of a sudden "pisses him off" (his words) that I wont trade, as he has linked me something that isn't owned by him.

 

You are yet again confirming what I stated already, they are not YOURS meaning you cannot claim that like you tried. You got refused, so you told me i'm "pissing you off" because I declined to trade with you.

 

"Another Site"

You mean the site that I co-own and operate under? I told you to come to the livechat to confirm

 

Whatever. I'm done discussing this any further.

If you think I did something wrong, report me and a mod can be the judge of that.

If I did do something wrong, the mod can tell me. Not you.

 

Is it YOUR site? No it isn't. Meaning "another" site is appropriate.

I declined YOUR apparent vouches as they aren't yours, they are owned by another user, from there you decided to claim i'm "pissing you off" as shown - Gyazo - b2671bf23fc017c37b594d2cc2398d6d.png

 

if your co-owner vouches still arnt for you they are for abundy

 

Does feel strange sometimes that I have no personal vouches.

Yet through means of being a worker for someone else, I'm trusted with hundreds, thousands of dollars daily in both virtual and real currencies.

Sometimes it feels like I have nothing to show for it, and if they ever fell through I would pretty much have to start from the bottom to make it anywhere.

Wrong:
Hey, here's my vouches - *link to website/service vouches*

Right:
Hey, I work for website/service, you can view website/services vouches at - *link to website/service vouches*

That's my opinion as a worker for multiple website/services.

 

What i'm getting at for example you have UPS in your signature, does that mean because you may "work" for them, you're allowed to use the owner of UPS (spear) and their vouches as pretty much you're own?

And then if someone declines to deal with you, as they feel otherwise then get aggressive? XD

 

Vouches should imo be entitled only to the creator of the thread where this vouch is posted on. If a vouch is posted on eg a gold site's thread than these vouches should only be used while trading on behalf of this gold site and should not be used for "personal" trades.

 

Can you explain this to someone like @Worm then please? He seems to think it's fine, yet I have stated otherwise. When you're linked a sites vouches and you're not the owner it's a void of course but he doesn't get that, instead I get the response of "i'm pissing him off" which made me laugh.