Define " Drug"

[porman]

If you do ecstasy make sure you buy a pill testing kit so you can make sure they don't have anything dangerous in them.

Or if your too lazy to buy a test, http://www.pillreports.com/ has a list of different pills they have tested and their contents, however it isn't as reliable.

I love you ughster lol. where would you got one of these testers? anywho my bro i think has a dealer, well he used to. He knows about it more then me, hes taken them quite a few times.

 

[Ughster]

http://www.eztest.com/shop/

Ecstasy, even in it's pure form, may possibly be neruotoxic (this is still up for debate) if used more than every 30-60 days... it is generally agreed that once every 30 days is reasonably safe, though some suggest waiting at least 60 days inbetween use. It can also cause minor depression the day after, sometimes for longer periods of time (more frequent if you abuse it).

It's important to stay hydrated while your on it, especially if your dancing or doing some other form of physical activity.

Be safe.

 

[Ughster]

Also, I'm not trying to endorse drug use Porman.

Especially if your young, I would recommend waiting until at least 16, ideally 18 or older.

But if your going to do it anyway be safe about it.

 

[porman]

Also, I'm not trying to endorse drug use Porman.

Especially if your young, I would recommend waiting until at least 16, ideally 18 or older.

But if your going to do it anyway be safe about it.

i know, and im 19, so age isnt really an issue

 

[Swan]

The daily use of any drug is bad, even many prescription medications.

People who drink coffee every day eventually develop a mild dependence to it and can't function normally without it.

Wrong. My mother has been drinking coffee for well over 30 years. She isn't dependent on much at all. If anything, there is a tolerance; I can drink a cup of coffee and go to bed with ease, but it aids in keeping awake when I want to.

I am not dependent on any drugs except those prescribed to me for means of keeping me alive.

 

[Ughster]

Wrong. My mother has been drinking coffee for well over 30 years. She isn't dependent on much at all. If anything, there is a tolerance; I can drink a cup of coffee and go to bed with ease, but it aids in keeping awake when I want to.

I am not dependent on any drugs except those prescribed to me for means of keeping me alive.

Yea, I should have restated.

I didn't mean to imply that it always happens, but it often does.

Just because your mother isn't dependent doesn't mean that it won't happen to you...

Now when I say dependency, when we're talking about caffeine I don't mean mad withdrawals or cravings, I just mean a decreased ability to function as a normal person would without it...

 

Now when I say dependency, when we're talking about caffeine I don't mean mad withdrawals or cravings, I just mean a decreased ability to function as a normal person would without it...

Pssh who'd want to be normal when coffee tastes this good?

I honestly find it hard to imagine that caffeine causes brain damage when used during the day.

The mechanism that causes caffeine to keep you awake is fairly well understood. It blocks the receptors in the brain that usually receive the 'go-to-sleep-now' chemical. Thus the brain stays fully functional past the normal point of wakefulness. The brain has less time to flush waste this way, which usually leads to a build up of toxins in the brain. If you stay awake too long wired on caffeine you will begin to hallucinate as your brain stews in its own toxins. Sleep -- which the internet generation gets so little of -- is vitally important for good brain-health.

 

[TJ]

Pop and coffee could be considered a drug, depending on how you look at it.

But yes, it really all depends on how you were raised, and the environment you are on.

 

[Ughster]

Pssh who'd want to be normal when coffee tastes this good?

I honestly find it hard to imagine that caffeine causes brain damage when used during the day.

The mechanism that causes caffeine to keep you awake is fairly well understood. It blocks the receptors in the brain that usually receive the 'go-to-sleep-now' chemical. Thus the brain stays fully functional past the normal point of wakefulness. The brain has less time to flush waste this way, which usually leads to a build up of toxins in the brain. If you stay awake too long wired on caffeine you will begin to hallucinate as your brain stews in its own toxins. Sleep -- which the internet generation gets so little of -- is vitally important for good brain-health.

I love coffee too Sythe, I'm just saying it's a stimulant (to a lesser extent than some other substances) and you can get minor dependency and withdrawels from it, like all stimulants.

 

I love coffee too Sythe, I'm just saying it's a stimulant (to a lesser extent than some other substances) and you can get minor dependency and withdrawels from it, like all stimulants.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree with you. I'm just expressing my opinion regarding caffeine and brain damage.

 

[Ughster]

sorry haha, I'm a little tired, I guess after so long in this forum you just assume everyone who quotes you is trying to invalidate your opinion lol.

- Ugh... I dissed caffeine and now it has cursed me, my coffee maker is broken

 

[Easter Bunny2]

Well, a drug is usually a substance that becomes a part of your bodies normal functions. A drug is usually a potent material that affects your body, and as Finn said, changes the way it works. A drug is a substance you use over and over again until your body works it into your everyday life. Without this drug, your body would go into withdrawal and start to cause terrible symptoms. So any pharmaceutical or illegal drug that can have this effect is considered a "drug".

 

[HAXORDELUXE]

Even so, several people buy and frequently abuse ecstasy in it's unpure form cut with meth/amphetamine, and other things and even still, only 2 out of every 100,000 people who take it will die (and this includes people doing stupid shit like driving). If you compare this number to similar stats regarding alcohol... well.. yea. it's either 50 or 150 people out of every 100,000 for alcohol, I forget.

These statistics are somewhat biased considering Alcohol is LEGAL and ecstasy is not. If ecstasy were easier to obtain, In my *opinion* the results would not be so different.

My take on the definition "drug": A certain substance used to alter mental or physical being, for good or bad.

 

[Ughster]

These statistics are somewhat biased considering Alcohol is LEGAL and ecstasy is not. If ecstasy were easier to obtain, In my *opinion* the results would not be so different.

My take on the definition "drug": A certain substance used to alter mental or physical being, for good or bad.

No dude, those statistics are fairly accurate.

it's per 100,000 people who use it. So we have 100,000 people who use alcohol and 100,000 people who use Ecstasy... The numbers are the same at this point, all 100,000 people have managed to obtain ecstasy or alcohol, legality doesn't matter. And 2 will die from the ecstasy and at least 50 from the alcohol... and it's funny because we've spent so much time educating people about responsible alcohol use, yet we haven't said anything about responsible ecstasy use except "stay away from it". So that says a lot, that most people don't know how to use it responsibly and still the deaths are much less significant than alcohol related deaths.

Though if it was legal people would probably be more likely to binge on it and such just because it would be more accepted, which might increase the numbers some, but alcohol would likely still be more dangerous.

 

[Easter Bunny2]

No dude, those statistics are fairly accurate.

it's per 100,000 people who use it. So we have 100,000 people who use alcohol and 100,000 people who use Ecstasy... The numbers are the same at this point, all 100,000 people have managed to obtain ecstasy or alcohol, legality doesn't matter. And 2 will die from the ecstasy and at least 50 from the alcohol... and it's funny because we've spent so much time educating people about responsible alcohol use, yet we haven't said anything about responsible ecstasy use except "stay away from it". So that says a lot, that most people don't know how to use it responsibly and still the deaths are much less significant than alcohol related deaths.

But Ughster, using a drug like ecstasy is not a very fair match up. Users of alcohol abuse it, since it is easily obtainable in massive quantities. Ecstasy users can only obtain it in smaller portions, so treasure it. So these results are a little biased because alcohol users can abuse and do more then ecstasy users.

 

[Ughster]

But Ughster, using a drug like ecstasy is not a very fair match up. Users of alcohol abuse it, since it is easily obtainable in massive quantities. Ecstasy users can only obtain it in smaller portions, so treasure it. So these results are a little biased because alcohol users can abuse and do more then ecstasy users.

Yes, I mentioned that in my last post, but all the same... you can take like 5 pills of E with no tolerance and probably make it out ok, not that I'd recommend it. The problem with alcohol is you HAVE to binge on it to get to where you need to be, E pills, one does the trick.

Another thing you probably didn't know is Ecstasy was LEGAL in the 80's, they sold it at clubs and bars over the counter, and it wasn't that much of a problem.

 

[Easter Bunny2]

Yes, I mentioned that in my last post, but all the same... you can take like 5 pills of E with no tolerance and probably make it out ok, not that I'd recommend it. The problem with alcohol is you HAVE to binge on it to get to where you need to be, E pills, one does the trick.

Another thing you probably didn't know is Ecstasy was LEGAL in the 80's, they sold it at clubs and bars over the counter, and it wasn't that much of a problem.

Well i did not know that thank you. But still, problems then are different than problems now.

 

[Ughster]

Another thing about binging on Ecstasy... I'd say after 3 good pills with no tolerence, your really NOT going to want to take any more... you start to get sick and such, your body knows when to stop. So unless someone just took like 10 their first time - which I doubt would happen often, people would have enough common sense to know when to stop.. Alcohol fucks you up so much it's hard to know when to stop sometimes, and most of the problem is with driving anyway.

 

[Easter Bunny2]

Another thing about binging on Ecstasy... I'd say after 3 good pills with no tolerence, your really NOT going to want to take any more... you start to get sick and such, your body knows when to stop. So unless someone just took like 10 their first time - which I doubt would happen often, people would have enough common sense to know when to stop.. Alcohol fucks you up so much it's hard to know when to stop sometimes, and most of the problem is with driving anyway.

Well now it all comes down to the human being's common sense. If they have the common sense to stop after a while, then sure, the drug could not be as bad, same with alcohol. But since most addicts do not possess that common sense, they just continue to misuse, and abuse the product.

 

[Ughster]

Well now it all comes down to the human being's common sense. If they have the common sense to stop after a while, then sure, the drug could not be as bad, same with alcohol. But since most addicts do not possess that common sense, they just continue to misuse, and abuse the product.

Trust me... Ecstasy isn't sedating like alcohol, it's got stimulating and psychedelic properties.. your mind is off it's hinge after you've had too many, you can't handle more.

With alcohol, the drunker you get the easier it is to keep drinking...