Why the Logo and Background competition is a shambles

I PM'd this to Sythe a few days ago and there's been no response from him. I even mentioned snippets of this on the competition thread to no avail. So I'll just leave this here for the public to see: (This is just a copy & paste of what I PM'd Sythe)


Can you confirm or deny this - If one person wins, will their logo + BG be the designs that are used?

I also believe strongly in splitting up the voting into 2 polls as the current voting is unrepresentative of peoples' preferences. This is due to the fact that one person may like a background made by one person but then a logo made by another person but then he only has one vote. This vote would show that he likes the logo and BG of that one person he votes for, leaving the other person out. It's flawed. I gained a decent amount of support too for this suggestion in the short time that people were able to view it.

And perhaps a few more that would support it but have not posted/seen it.



Another fault in my opinion:

This exactly. A few people I've seen voted for Kin's merely because he was able to change it. The submission stage had ended and its unfair that he was able to resubmit just because he did a shit job.

Kin's addition of the holiday themed ones is bull shit also as any artist is able to do them upon request, Moonglare was forced to do so in order to be able to compete which is ridiculous as it's the base design that's important, not some bells and whistles added to it for a few days each part of the year.

Several people now wish they were able to change their votes now too due to people changing their submissions mid competition, so the votes are even more unrepresentative of their preferences.



This suggestion also has merit:

It does feel like you rushed the competition, but to what gain? To obtain only a select few decent submissions? At the end of the day a longer submission stage would have been best so that all artists could completely refine their work and there would be more submissions as, during the time that you had run the submission stage, a few people still had exams going on. It would also have prevented putting the competition into further jeopardy with artists altering their submission mid-voting.








tl;dr:

Can you confirm or deny this - If one person wins, will their logo + BG be the designs that are used?

I want it to be split up into 2 polls, one for the logo and one for the background (see my OP for reasoning)

It's shit that people get to change their entries mid-voting (see my OP for reasoning)

Perhaps expanding the submission stage would be good as this is sythe's future and this competition has been rushed (see my OP for further reasoning)

 

Eh, I see where your coming from. I voted a few hours earlier and most of them looked like shit. I agree with the whole rushed thing. Finals are a bitch... I'm sure many on Sythe had to take them during the time when the competition started up. Not much you can do about it if he refuses to respond I suppose.

 

A bit much. I wouldn't say it's in shambles, it just needs to be redone with the 3 highest winning contestants.

 

That would then exclude those who didn't get very many votes as either their background or their logo is bad but then the other is good. It needs to be redone with 2 separate polls imo. Once they have been established, then a top 3 poll could be looked at.

 

It's obvious that some of the logos are shit but the background that the artist has submitted is amazing, or vice-versa. Most of the logos would fit with any background that was chosen.

As for people who were unable to submit, Mage3158 is one of them. During the submission stage, several people still had exams going on. Mage3158 isn't a renowned GFX artist but then not allowing him to enter is not fair. As he has not produced work yet, we don't know if it would've been similar to Picasso and eliminate everyone else or be like a pre-schoolers scrawl as he tries to colour within the lines.

 

Supported ^^^ I do kinda feel like there shouldn't be a change after you have already submitted your work.

Secondly yes there actually should be 2 polls because I love some of the background works but not the actual LOGO.

Hmmmm Ye thats a good job Jack Nice thinking man.

 

The top 3/5 voted ones from each competition could be all joined together and mock-ups of them could be made relatively quickly to show how they would look with the logo and background combined.

Also even if the person that was unable to submit an entry submitted during the voting stage it seems like they would have been ignored like this person was:

Not to mention the fact that the other entries would be ahead by miles. Even if that submission was awesome and better than all the rest, social behavior would dictate that some people would get caught up voting for the ones in the lead anyways so as to not feel omitted from the norm.

 

Nothing is ever too late in talking about getting the best logo and background that will make Sythe look the best. This is one thing in which a slap-dash job is unacceptable.

The user had a 1 week ban and ban evading to try and make his submission visible was his only choice really, asides from messaging a moderator or something which he probably should have done. Anywho, the original user is unbanned now and yet his entry is still ignored. His submission isn't that bad either.

I'm skeptical.

 

The competition is shit.
I submitted a first entry, and then a few days later submitted a second one cause my first one wasn't very good. When the voting started my first entry was posted, and now no one will fucking listen to me to change it. Holy jesus it's frustrating, but its too late now isn't it.

 

OT: even sythe himself said...

just leave it alone and wait like the rest of us until the voting is over?

 

I know he said that, I sparked him into saying that. Why wait though? Keeping the voting going is just a waste of time.

 

support its unfair

lol jk

yeah splitting them up would be better/cleaner/easier, i didn't realize both of the options were mixed together / were in the same picture lol. wish i could retract my vote.

 

The resubmission is bogus in all honesty, as it's literally the exact same concept as extending the deadline. On the point that it takes away votes as the voting is going on while you're changing it, it's allowing change to something that should have already been someone's best and final work.

That's my whole argument behind the redone contest. It's seriously lacking any serious thought to be completely okay with a 2 weeks contest for a multiple-year logo. Maybe I'm just being an unreasonable prick, but the contest should have been longer than 14 days. How in the world do you think that time table would allow everyone to find time to do it, taking irl priorities into consideration. I had no time to do it in the 2 day extension, and while deadlines do suck, the two weeks is lacking any serious thought. One, or even two, months would be much more reasonable, but because of the sudden rush for change and fallacy hope that random sporadic change will cause a giant boost in activity and hits, only three decent submissions could be made.

Tldr the contest should have been 100 times more organized, including rules regarding resubmission and extended submission deadlines.

 

I posted my second submission days before the voting had started, and Sythe posted my first entry. No moderators or admins are listening to me, and yet every other person who wants to change their entry (after the competition closed) is able to.

How is this fair?

 

I think we should just change the logo to a huge penis ejaculating all over the background, and then everyone will be happy.

 

The competition has become a kin/moon jack-off competition, it needs to be discarded and redone.

PS. why is the first page of this thread broken?

 

cuz nobody woulda voted for your shit anyway, revised or not

take a breather m8

edit to save from impending infraction: shit was still not cool though, give a brother a fighting chance, ya'feel?

 

Changing your submission because people weren't voting for it shouldn't be allowed. Once you submit your logo/bg it's done and there is no way to take that back, but in this case there was. I really don't agree with this and would like to see another vote with only one submission per person, no changes no nothing.

 

This is utterly biased and unfair, Moonglare and Kina changed their submissions halfway trough, for one because Kin didn't get votes and he would lose, obviously, secondly Moonglare changed his entry after he saw he fell behind when Kin changed his entry, why should this be allowed? Maybe some of us liked the first one and now that its changed we want to change votes.

 

Exposure bump.