Conspiracy? Or Just another lie...

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This discussion is being opened to wake up people up on the lies the U.S. government is based on. Opposition arguments are allowed, and the debate can carry on.

Quick Facts that the average American doesn't know.

- The Vietnam War was caused by a False Flag terrorist attack Conduced by our own Government. Back when it was currently happening there were major news corporations putting out headlines like the following : "American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression", announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

The Vietnamese never torpedo'd any U.S. Ship, the war was based on a lie and we lost thousands upon thousands of our Soldiers.

- Flouride "Teeth Wonder substance" Flouride is marketed as a benefit to all, cleaning your teeth and protecting you from Gum diseases. Flouride is actually a poison, a very potent one aswell. Flouride is put in Tap water, Nursery Water and ToothPaste. Flouride causes cancer, and bone problems. Flouride is also used to for killing vermin.

There are plenty of studies that prove Flouride has no positive benefits. Here's one.

In British Columbia, only 11% of the population drinks fluoridated water, as opposed to 40-70% in other Canadian regions. Yet British Columbia has the lowest rate of tooth decay in Canada. In addition, the lowest rates of dental caries within the province are found in areas that do not have their water supplies fluoridated.

- Iran

Not many know this next FACT. The United States started war with Iran in 1953, by Over throwing their government, trying to make it a westernized country. In 1979, Iranian students and militants took over the U.S. embassy there and took some people hostage. This is called "blowback" Blowback happens when a country is pissed off because another has done something wrong previously. The president of Iran, also has never said " I want to wipe Israel off the map" If you watch the C-SPAN live footage, they took it way out of context to make Iran seem evil. The president of Iran might be a wack-o but WE started the war and we need to leave them alone.

- Osama Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda (Mujahideen)

Osama Bin Laden was from the Oil wealth in Saudia Arabia, in the 1980's Bin Laden took form of the Modern Mujahideen or Al-Qaeda. He was a freedom fighter, and his rebels were freedom fighters. They fought off the Soviets in Afghanistan, until the Soviets retreated in the late 1980's. The Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda) could only defeat the Soviets because the U.S. Government funded Osama Bin Laden, giving them Stinger Anti-Aircraft Missile Deployers and other weapons. There's video footage of Donald Rumsfeld personally meeting with Al-Qaeda and providing support. Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset, and was a top ally until we started invading their lands.

There's plenty more topics to discuss, however I'll leave it at these for now.
Something to think about and debate. Thank you for reading.

 

[kill dank]

I hate the Fluoride in the water. I completely believe it's a poison but don't really know what to do about it since I have no choice but to drink water. It's to start helping with the impending problem of overpopulation.

That whole Iran shit too, I believe all that. I believe a lot of this stuff. Wars are started to make money.

 

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Democide is the greatest threat to the Human species than any other. Governments alone, have killed over 260 million people in the last century. Add in the soldiers from all the wars, over 350 million innocent people.

Crazy eh?

 

[Emperor Nero]

Flouridation theory, which is what you are touting, was began in the late 50's post-World War II as a conspiracy that the communist were using it to undermine the US power. If you have ever watched Dr. Strangelove (Which I highly recommend because it makes fun of dumb-ass conspiracy theorists and is generally an amazing movie) plays on this as to why General Jack D. Ripper launches SAC to bomb Russia. Here is the conversation he has concerning flouridation:

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: [very nervous] Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen... tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: [somewhat embarassed] Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v192/n9/full/4801410a.html

This is a review of an independent study of flouridation on 33 different populations.


Also it would be nice for you to present sources if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[JayD <3]

The love of power is what drives countries into wars, whether it be you're fighting against it , or you're fighting for the power. It's ridiculous.

 

[capper4lyf]

I don't see why its so hard to believe 9/11 was an inside job. The Government already showed it would attack its own just to go to Vietnam.

This whole Kony thing is bullshit IMO, that video is just a part of the propaganda, along with Angelina Jolie being at the front even encouraging whats going on in Syria right now. All these kids just watch the video and are instantly hooked on that idea, and just to enforce that idea they use celebrities.. They're using all these celebrities to brainwash the f*ck out of everyone to think that war is peace...They're not going over to central Africa to try capture these "LRA Warlords" they're going to mess sh*t up and claim the resources. Its been done before even the United Nation has admitted to it, and just said it was a mistake =.="

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There is proof that there's a lot of corrupt things going on in Africa but the thing is they've only just decided to try act upon the LRA and that shits long gone, its other shit happening now. Why is the government trying to step in now?

 

[thatguy1234]

A lot of stuff is messed up with the government. Its practically brainwash, starting with the teens and young adults because they are the most gullible and influential and will live in and contribute the most to the future.
Its sad really, how much of a fog our youth is in. Im still wondering what can get them out of this mentality, if not our world will only die faster.

 

[Apith]

Shortly after Saddam announced that oil would be traded with Euros, George Bush announced that Saddam Hussein used mustard gas on his own people.

The mustard gas incident happened over a decade before George Bush brought it up. Why was it brought up only after Saddam tried to hurt the dollar?

Mustard gas wasn't used by Iraq at those times. At that time (1988 I think), Iraq was at war with Iran. What actually happened was a plane that flew by dropped the gas on a city of tens of thousands of Kurds, this was still in Iraq, but the city/town consisted of majority of kurds. Kurds are people from Iran. It was assumed it was Saddam to make him look worse. At that time Iraq wasn't known for using mustard gas, in fact, Iran was. It was most likely a frame and a set up by Iraq. But it gave US a chance to attack Iran, the country that would have potentially destroyed the dollar if what Saddam announced went through.

I've received enough hate on my previous thread, which is now locked, for trying to make Saddam look like a better guy. I'm not saying he's a good guy, he did bad things and he was selfish. But I'd just like to shed some light on this situation, as it gave US a reason to destroy him and the country.

 

[Pizza_Machine]

we're always fighting for power. its just another conspiracy though. dont get yourself all wrapped up into it

 

[Opren]

- Iran

This point is pretty confusing. The whole point of this is to convince people that America is hiding something from public knowledge - except they aren't. It's well known that America actively attempts to remove anti-Western or "crazy" people from power. And that's exactly what happened in 1953. If you want to argue that American intervention globally is unjust, that's a completely different debate. Iranian leader fucks with economy, breaks ties, goes crazy, Britain + America solve the problem. Apparently that justifies all of the terrorist activities that they fund today.

As to the lies about what Ahmadinejad said...

"On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world." - FROM Wikipedia - Didn't really take that much searching for a direct quote did it? And the best part is, you can't dispute that this speech occurred, or the words he said. Caught in a lie.

- Osama Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda (Mujahideen)

So, you claim that Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset until we started invading their lands? -Thats wrong, but you could just read an article from a reliable newspaper, maybe even a book, and learn why this isn't true.

The reason why bin Laden took up an anti-American stance was because of the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. Bin Laden didn't want Americans coming to this war (even though they were asked to come). Of course, it's all our fault -- we came to the aid of an ally who specifically requested it, god America how could you be so stupid?



Apparently you're trying to say that Americans are unaware that their country's foreign policy consists of aiding allies, and removing irrational leaders through whatever means necessary. I'm strong-arming a bit, but I think that you think that Americans are just plain stupid.

If you're going to make all these unsubstantiated arguments, feel free to post some CREDIBLE links, I'm not talking about Joe Conspiracy's blog, CREDIBLE sources.... please.

 

[JamRsPins]

I've studied U.S history extensively in my past, and I can say that the Vietnam incident is true. America's means of gaining military intervention in Vietnam was by claiming one of it's ships offshore from Vietnam was bombed/attacked. This never happened. No proof, nothing. It's your WMD, your World Trade Centre, your Kony2012, the only difference being the means of manipulating the minds and hearts of the people.

 

[Apith]

- Iran

This point is pretty confusing. The whole point of this is to convince people that America is hiding something from public knowledge - except they aren't. It's well known that America actively attempts to remove anti-Western or "crazy" people from power. And that's exactly what happened in 1953. If you want to argue that American intervention globally is unjust, that's a completely different debate. Iranian leader fucks with economy, breaks ties, goes crazy, Britain + America solve the problem. Apparently that justifies all of the terrorist activities that they fund today.

As to the lies about what Ahmadinejad said...

"On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world." - FROM Wikipedia - Didn't really take that much searching for a direct quote did it? And the best part is, you can't dispute that this speech occurred, or the words he said. Caught in a lie.

I recently read something on Yahoo News about whether he really said that Israel should be wiped off the map. So I did a quick search, and found a different article. It's basically has the same point.

Here's an article about what he said:

Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.
Source

He said it in a different language, it was either misinterpreted or was purposely done to mislead people.

- Osama Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda (Mujahideen)

So, you claim that Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset until we started invading their lands? -Thats wrong, but you could just read an article from a reliable newspaper, maybe even a book, and learn why this isn't true.

The reason why bin Laden took up an anti-American stance was because of the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. Bin Laden didn't want Americans coming to this war (even though they were asked to come). Of course, it's all our fault -- we came to the aid of an ally who specifically requested it, god America how could you be so stupid?



Apparently you're trying to say that Americans are unaware that their country's foreign policy consists of aiding allies, and removing irrational leaders through whatever means necessary. I'm strong-arming a bit, but I think that you think that Americans are just plain stupid.

If you're going to make all these unsubstantiated arguments, feel free to post some CREDIBLE links, I'm not talking about Joe Conspiracy's blog, CREDIBLE sources.... please.

This is partly true. But his hatred towards the US grew when they set up a military base in Saudi.

Osama bin Laden thought that was the greatest possible desecration of the holy land.

The US has set up countless bases around the world, for power. The result of Iraq attempting to invade Kuwait resulted in giving the US a reason to have military bases in the Middle East. Now that they're there, they aren't going anywhere.

 

[TheRiverRunsDeep]

Every government is based on lies that is fact. It's not a discussion every government lies for its own benefit.

 

[TheRiverRunsDeep]

I've studied U.S history extensively in my past, and I can say that the Vietnam incident is true. America's means of gaining military intervention in Vietnam was by claiming one of it's ships offshore from Vietnam was bombed/attacked. This never happened. No proof, nothing. It's your WMD, your World Trade Centre, your Kony2012, the only difference being the means of manipulating the minds and hearts of the people.

Firstly, the Vietnam ship story was true but we were spying so we did deserve it but it did happen. Konny2012 is a nonprofit charity that is running the campaign. Your idea of manipulation is false in these instances you used please bring in facts not palant lies. WMD were missinformed just as people assume Iran has nuke a lot of countries other than the U.S. The World trader center instance hardly has enough proof to disprove or prove any theories on what happened. All we know is that two buildings got destoryed in the process and came down.

 

[JamRsPins]

Firstly, the Vietnam ship story was true but we were spying so we did deserve it but it did happen. Konny2012 is a nonprofit charity that is running the campaign. Your idea of manipulation is false in these instances you used please bring in facts not palant lies. WMD were missinformed just as people assume Iran has nuke a lot of countries other than the U.S. The World trader center instance hardly has enough proof to disprove or prove any theories on what happened. All we know is that two buildings got destoryed in the process and came down.

Firstly, no your wrong, it was a big fat lie. No proof. Secondly your 200% wrong about Kony2012, you only have to google it to see the truth. The content of he video is years outdated, but it pops up right after oil was discovered in Northern Uganda (November, 2011). There are facts proving all these things. But no facts supporting what you say. WND = missinformed? Oh please, that's just another word for "it was a lie". Don't be so naive, what else would a government say when they uncovered nothing? Also if you have looked up the facts it was phsyically, scientically impossible for two planes as such to take down the towers. Go check the facts. Facts only please.

 

[JamRsPins]

Every government is based on lies that is fact. It's not a discussion every government lies for its own benefit.

FYI you kinda contradict yourself... act intelligent in one post, and fall wholly for U.S lies and propaganda in the other. Let's not pretend we live in a perfect world...

 

[Apith]

Firstly, no your wrong, it was a big fat lie. No proof. Secondly your 200% wrong about Kony2012, you only have to google it to see the truth. The content of he video is years outdated, but it pops up right after oil was discovered in Northern Uganda (November, 2011). There are facts proving all these things. But no facts supporting what you say. WND = missinformed? Oh please, that's just another word for "it was a lie". Don't be so naive, what else would a government say when they uncovered nothing? Also if you have looked up the facts it was phsyically, scientically impossible for two planes as such to take down the towers. Go check the facts. Facts only please.

I didn't know oil was discovered there. But it does make sense, because Kony has been inactive, and he is most likely not in Uganda. It was mentioned in the video I think, that he moved from there. Who wouldn't after being wanted by the superpower of the world.

Here's something that happened to the co director of Invisible children.

"Officers responded to a radio call to check the welfare of an individual who was said to be running in the street, interfering with traffic, screaming - one person said that he was naked and masturbating."

Source

 

[Xbritton]

Firstly, the Vietnam ship story was true but we were spying so we did deserve it but it did happen. Konny2012 is a nonprofit charity that is running the campaign. Your idea of manipulation is false in these instances you used please bring in facts not palant lies. WMD were missinformed just as people assume Iran has nuke a lot of countries other than the U.S. The World trader center instance hardly has enough proof to disprove or prove any theories on what happened. All we know is that two buildings got destoryed in the process and came down.

I would believe too that kony 2012 is true, but apparently the host is arrested ?

 

I believe some of these, I like conspiracy theories but I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything, IMO all governments have power issues and if they think they can take you, they will start a war some how.

 

[Opren]

If you want to know more about the Vietnam incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident