computer advice, without all the bullshit/crap please.

[Night Fox6928]

so Im building a computer and would like 5+ windows for rs without killing my computer, and would like it to overall be fast, spending limit 880. should i go with the -

AMD FX 8150 8 core 3.6 ghx turbo up to 4.2 ghz i think. people say it is slower than the i7 3770k???? i dont see how tho. much cheaper without integrated graphics card and lacking 3d capability, (woopdeedoo?) will buy aftermarket card, most likely amd radeon 7750 or 7770 (max optimalization for WOW which is similar to rs2)

Intel i7 3770k 4 core unlocked code name ivy bridge. 3.5 ghz, 3.9 overclock potential. own graphics card with 3d. (hd graphics 4000)

will my hard drive speed slow me down if it is bad?

also, windows 7 home premium 64 bit 99.99$ (whats the difference between 64 and 32 bit?), windows 7 pro 134.99$, or an older one like vista ?$(which will help me towards a Liquid cooler for my computer if needed by saving money, figureing ill only need it if i overclock, and im not sure if it will be worth it)

any other suggestions would be appreciated . bear in mind im thinkin of using 2400 mhz speed memory (which is overclocked and might not ever get used as ive been told that speeds dont usually get that high yet?), 4gbx2 = dual channel. kit im using now is 94.99$ for 8 gb (yikes!)

sorry for dp (lol) but i also dont know much about motherboards, if you have another in mind that is within 10-40$ of this one http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2522291&sku=A455-8414

should be full specs other than memory/ram channel supported which is dual channel. if u dont wanna use the link it is the ASUS P8Z77-M Intel Z77 Motherboard, you can google it yourself, i know u can find it on ibuypower.com just configure custom pc, find board and click the ?.

i dunno wut the latest tech is for mb's

 

[Spraynwipe]

so Im building a computer and would like 5+ windows for rs without killing my computer, and would like it to overall be fast, spending limit 880. should i go with the -

AMD FX 8150 8 core 3.6 ghx turbo up to 4.2 ghz i think. people say it is slower than the i7 3770k???? i dont see how tho. much cheaper without integrated graphics card and lacking 3d capability, (woopdeedoo?) will buy aftermarket card, most likely amd radeon 7750 or 7770 (max optimalization for WOW which is similar to rs2)

Intel i7 3770k 4 core unlocked code name ivy bridge. 3.5 ghz, 3.9 overclock potential. own graphics card with 3d. (hd graphics 4000)

will my hard drive speed slow me down if it is bad?

also, windows 7 home premium 64 bit 99.99$ (whats the difference between 64 and 32 bit?), windows 7 pro 134.99$, or an older one like vista ?$(which will help me towards a Liquid cooler for my computer if needed by saving money, figureing ill only need it if i overclock, and im not sure if it will be worth it)

any other suggestions would be appreciated . bear in mind im thinkin of using 2400 mhz speed memory (which is overclocked and might not ever get used as ive been told that speeds dont usually get that high yet?), 4gbx2 = dual channel. kit im using now is 94.99$ for 8 gb (yikes!)

sorry for dp (lol) but i also dont know much about motherboards, if you have another in mind that is within 10-40$ of this one http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2522291&sku=A455-8414

should be full specs other than memory/ram channel supported which is dual channel. if u dont wanna use the link it is the ASUS P8Z77-M Intel Z77 Motherboard, you can google it yourself, i know u can find it on ibuypower.com just configure custom pc, find board and click the ?.

i dunno wut the latest tech is for mb's

Intel 3770k for starters. It's faster in most applications, especially heavier compute tasks and running multiple bots etc. Overclocking is better on it too.

Hard drive isn't going to slow you down when you're in RS. At all. The only thing you should get is a small SSD (120gb?) for windows and a few programs. Again this won't boost actual compute performance, it will only make things open/load faster and feel snappier. They are cheap and reliable these days compared to a few years ago.

32 bit windows allows for a max of 4gb of ram. Considering that you'll want 16gb if planning to run lots of bots at once, you NEED 64 bit. They are the same price, and the keys work for both 32/64bit interchangeably so its not a problem. I don't see why anyone wouldn't use 64 bit these days. Just get windows 7 home premium, you don't need the other bullshit in the other versions.

Memory speed makes negligible difference in real world situations. Ie, most people only get 2400mhz ram for benchmarking and overclocking. Ram timings make more of a difference in real time, but again not huge (ie 9-9-9-24 is pretty standard now). Just get some gskill ripjawsx 1600mhz, the 2x4gb kits are about 50$. Get 16gb total.

Z77 is the latest chipset for ivy bridge CPU's. It brings a few new changes, but nothing dramatic and mostly just marketing crap. The typical "this new amazing technology which you didn't care about before, but now you should care about it because its amazing, so buy this new motherboard". That motherboard is fine and all you need.

Other thoughts: get a h80/h100 cooler with the 3770k, get a hd7770 as they are amazing now at ~100$ for mid level performance. Get one that you can overclock if you decide to play some more intensive games.

EDIT: On second thoughts just get a 3570k. You don't need the extra cores unless you're doing lots of video, graphics or 3d rendering. Unless you want to run MANY bots (like 10+ at a time AND doing other stuff) you really don't need it. 3570k overclocks amazingly well too.

Any questions just ask. I'm always in the know.

 

[Night Fox6928]

First off I wanna say, I LOVE YOU lol. i would be sometimes running 10+ and surfing the net, and a lot of times i multi task with at least 2-5 windows. still thinking the 3570k?

edit, i just thought of something, what is the lifetime/problems with an overclocked 3570k or 3770k?

 

[Spraynwipe]

First off I wanna say, I LOVE YOU lol. i would be sometimes running 10+ and surfing the net, and a lot of times i multi task with at least 2-5 windows. still thinking the 3570k?

Well it comes down to budget, and whether or not you can dish out the extra for the 3770k. I'd say its a better long term investment to do so.

 

[Night Fox6928]

Well it comes down to budget, and whether or not you can dish out the extra for the 3770k. I'd say its a better long term investment to do so.

right, only sad part is now i dont got budget room for the 7750 or 7770, and makes it a bit tougher to get the liquid cooler.

 

[kill dank]

right, only sad part is now i dont got budget room for the 7750 or 7770, and makes it a bit tougher to get the liquid cooler.

Liquid cooling isn't necessarily mandatory. Besides, if you're not maxing your processor out in the first place, there's no need to OC. Also, if you don't game, there's not really a reason to spend more than $150ish on a gpu..

 

[TheLetterZ]

You could probably just go with an i5 2500k as well.

Newegg has them for $205 right now.

 

[Night Fox6928]

anyone know if the the amd fx 8150 8 core is better than the it 3770k or the i5 3570k im using?? stats say 3.6 ghz, 4.2 overclocked or turbo, its 8 cores...

 

[Draucia]

anyone know if the the amd fx 8150 8 core is better than the it 3770k or the i5 3570k im using?? stats say 3.6 ghz, 4.2 overclocked or turbo, its 8 cores...

Just go with the i5 or i7. A lot better imo, especially if you are going to be doing any gaming.

 

[Night Fox6928]

what if a motherboard doesnt say it has the smart cache and smart response tech? it says fast performance and supports the ivy bridge i7 and i5... my 135$ board says it supports it, my 200$ board im looking at does not mention it.... any thoughts??

also, i found a board that has all this

Intel® Smart Response Technology
Faster Access, Bigger Storage Intel® Smart Response Technology boosts overall system performance. It uses an installed fast SSD (min 18.6GB available) as a cache for frequently accessed operations, speeding up hard drive/main memory interaction. Key benefits are expedited hard drive speeds, reduced load and wait times and maximized storage utilization. Power consumption also goes down by reducing unnecessary hard drive spin, an important part of Green ASUS eco-friendly computing.

LucidLogix® Virtu - Perfect Fit for Graphics and Multimedia
LucidLogix® Virtu is designed for the Intel® Sandy Bridge platform's powerful integrated graphics. Its GPU virtualization dynamically assigns tasks to the best available graphics resources based on power, performance and system load on Windows® 7 based PCs. It allows users to fully utilize the unique capabilities of advanced Sandy Bridge multimedia features alongside the high end 3D rendering performance provided by installed graphics cards. When no discrete graphics are needed, the graphics card is put in idle mode to lower utilization, heat, fan speed and power draw down to near zero, making the system more environmentally-friendly. For users with diverse needs, LucidLogix® Virtu GPU virtualization provides great flexibility and efficiency.


TPU - The Ultimate Turbo Processor
Unleash your performance with ASUS' simple onboard switch or AI Suite II utility. The TPU chip offers precise voltage control and advanced monitoring through Auto Tuning and TurboV functions. Auto Tuning offers a user friendly way to automatically optimize the system for fast, yet stable clock speeds, while TurboV enables unlimited freedom to adjust CPU frequencies and ratios for optimized performance in diverse situations.


EPU - Energy Efficiency All Around
Tap into the world's first real-time PC power saving chip through a simple onboard switch or AI Suite II utility. Get total system-wide energy optimization by automatically detecting current PC loadings and intelligently moderating power consumption. This also reduces fan noise and extends component longevity!


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EFI BIOS (EZ Mode) - Flexible & Easy BIOS Interface
The new ASUS EFI BIOS is an Extensible Firmware Interface that complies with uEFI architecture, offering a user-friendly interface that goes beyond traditional keyboard-only BIOS controls to enable more flexible and convenient mouse input. Users can easily navigate the new EFI BIOS with the same smoothness as their operating system. The exclusive EZ Mode displays frequently-accessed setup info, while the Advanced Mode is for experienced performance enthusiasts that demand far more intricate system settings.

Supports Hard Drives over 2.2TB
ASUS EFI BIOS natively supports hard drives larger than 2.2TB in 64-bit, with full storage space utilization, helping deliver far more exciting computing than traditional BIOS versions!


AI Suite II - One-stop Access to Innovative ASUS Features
With its user-friendly interface, ASUS AI Suite II consolidates all exclusive ASUS features into one simple-to-use package. It allows users to supervise overclocking, energy management, fan speed, voltage and sensor readings, even interact with mobile devices via Bluetooth. This all-in-one software offers diverse and easy to use functions, with no need to switch back and forth between different utilities.


Complete USB 3.0 Integration - Double USB Access, Double Convenience
ASUS facilitates strategic USB 3.0 accessibility for both the front and rear panels - 4 USB 3.0 ports in total. Experience the latest plug & play connectivity at speeds up to 10 times faster than USB 2.0. The P8P67 affords greater convenience with high speed connectivity.


Extra SATA 6Gb/s Support - Extra Ports, Extra Speed and Accessibility
The Intel® P67 Express chipset natively supports the next-generation Serial ATA (SATA) interface, delivering up to 6Gb/s data transfers. ASUS provides extra SATA 6Gb/s ports with enhanced scalability, faster data retrieval and double the bandwidth of current bus systems.


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but it only supports sandy bridge (generation 2), at least it says it "supports gen 2 intels" and says nothing of the gen 3's

 

[RazerUK]

If you think it's "bullshit/crap" then you probably shouldn't be building a computer. Go buy a pre-built.

 

[Night Fox6928]

If you think it's "bullshit/crap" then you probably shouldn't be building a computer. Go buy a pre-built.

did you really feel the need to say that?

 

[justinkiller]

This is why you don't get the 8150 or any AMD for gaming-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_6.html#sect0

i5 3570k is the best you can get for gaming when you weigh it vs the price.

 

[kill dank]

anyone know if the the amd fx 8150 8 core is better than the it 3770k or the i5 3570k im using?? stats say 3.6 ghz, 4.2 overclocked or turbo, its 8 cores...

Intel is almost always better. Cores do not make a good processor.

 

[BrawckX]

Use Windows XP. Takes up 40% less CPU and functions better than 7.

 

[Night Fox6928]

make absolutely no sense to me how its slower than those.... wouldnt that mean thier speed is incorrect?

 

[justinkiller]

make absolutely no sense to me how its slower than those.... wouldnt that mean thier speed is incorrect?

What are you talking about?

 

[Night Fox6928]

What are you talking about?

I meant how in the hell is that amd cpu slower when all of the info states it is faster??? sure seems like the speed they put for it is slower then what they say.....no what i mean?? its like saying 2+2=8.

what about this cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229 vs. ivy i5 3570k and ivy i7 3770k?? it says 3.6 ghz (3.8 turbo). it is a sandy bridge tho.

 

[justinkiller]

The speed of a processor is a little more comprehensive than bus speeds and cores. I won't go into major specifics, but AMD cannot make a CPU that competes with Intel.

The CPU you posted is probably faster than the 3570k in multi threaded processes because it uses hyper threading, but in gaming you will not see any FPS difference without a better GPU.

 

[Aimless]

Do not get an i5 for botting over an i7.. Also, the fx-8150 is comparable to the lowest quality i7 (890/920), it's better than the i5.. I'd get the 3770k in your position.

Just to clarify for comparison sake, the i7 4 core (8 threads) is pretty much identical to AMDs 8 cores, they're the same thing essentially, it's not a good 8-core processor. Also, the fx-8150 core speeds are worse, you can OC the 8150 to 6ghz but it'd still only perform as well as a 2600k at stock.

Just so you have an idea on the amount of bots the above can run, fx-8150 stock can do 6 and 3770k stock can do 9 with simba.