Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)

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Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)
  1. Unread #41 - Jan 27, 2009 at 7:10 PM
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    So then why support something if it is just a temporary boost - think of today's crisis?


    No thanks. I own my property. Why should I move because you tell me to?


    I didn't vote for them.


    You have got to be kidding. Did you just say that creating jobs by hiring people to dig holes and then to fill them would be a good idea? That would even be better than war, because at least there would be less casualties, right??


    I didn't elect them.

    Herbert Hoovers messing with the economy was part of the reason the stock market crashed in the first place you fool. Then morons like FDR come along and make it worse.
    No taxation and regulations and the shrinkage or removal of the state.

    You can not seem to grasp that wasting money stolen from private industries and people on killing people overseas will not make your country prosper. I wouldn't expect anything less from an apologist though.
     
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    Communism doesn't work because the economy depends on the securing of resources. Sharing of resources means less competition which means no economic value of those same resources.
     
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    Wow, socialism is communism?

    Thats why Hitler actually wanted to destroy communism?

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    There is a reason every so called "Communist" country is a dictatorship give or take.
     
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    Ugh, so many problems with this thread.

    No. Warnings and hysteria caused by JP Morgan to create a central bank was the reason the stock market crashed.

    But, to the main point of the thread, communism DOES always fail. On paper, in my mind, communism is the best system of government; It just never really works out because of natural human corruption.
     
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    Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)

    Communism would be pretty good if it didn't have an evil dictator most of the time. It's hard to govern a Communist government though because you have to make sure nobody is poor or rich, everyone is equal and that is hard to keep up with. I think it's better than a democracy, except it would be good have to have a few things like freedom of speech and freedom of other stuff, but the main goal is to make everyone equal financially.

    I also hate how people are raised in America ,or in any other nations that oppose communism, to believe that Communism is complete evil. Yes, people die, but the ones who die are the selfish rich people who don't want to share and refuse to give up a few things the government demands. Yes, communism can be good, but it's only bad because of the person behind it, the dictator. Other than that it's pretty damn good if it's used correctly.
     
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    Propaganda.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Year_Plan_(USSR)

    Look how many 5 year plans they had. By the end of it people were so fed up the whole thing just collapsed in literally a handful of days. It was a feudalist state. Economists / planners from inside the USSR later revealed that the GDP of the USSR, as near as they could calculate, at the height of its 'economic prowess', was less than 2% of USA's GDP. And this, remember, was mostly a result of completely raping the continent's natural resources and destroying lakes, waterways, large tracts of land, forests, etc. Even worse than most of what happens in Africa today. They exported only primary produce indicating that they were completely unable mass produce efficient capital equipment.

    The USSR was a total failure.
     
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    A capitalist economy requires socialist aspects to prevent uprising of the lower masses.

    A communist economy cannot survive.

    A socialist economy with capitalistic aspects may survive in coniditions where the overall prosperity is high, but this prosperity would not be maximized in such conditions.
     
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    Horse shit. Middle of the road leads to socialism.
    http://mises.org/midroad/mr2.asp
    http://mises.org/midroad.asp

    Government intervention begets more government intervention eventually leading to complete government control of the means of production.

    The assertion that people 'need a government' to 'look after the poor' is pure tripe. The poor are poor precisely because there is a parasitic elite class feeding off them and preventing them from entering the middle class.

    Humans are tool users. Tools are capital equipment. Humans are naturally capitalists. We were meant to use tools to build things to make our lives easier. We were not meant to suck on the teat of government.

    The middle class isn't something special that just came along recently. The middle class is the NORM, when people get to live peacefully under the rule of law, own property, and keep what they earn.
     
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    Sythe, you come here saying omg I'm so smart and All. You completely Debunk other people's perspective and YOU keep saying I'm right because of the Rationality and Irrationality crap. You are in no position to make that kind of judgment. All I know is that you're the creator of a Runescape Cheating Website and that's all. (I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A SCIENTIST OR A PROFESSOR, I'M JUST USING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I'M GIVEN)

    That's the way you look at it when you say Humans are tools to the Government. You're completely Biased.
     
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    The fact that neither a pure anarcho or communist society has survived seems to speak for itself.
     
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    I said his post was complete biased because he used the working people as tools. That was completely biased and so opinions does not matter only FACTS to back up someone's statement. I made an argument to defend Socialism or Communism saying that it works in theory. But he's saying that it doesn't even work AT ALL.
     
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    A nice amount of governments won't fail if they are used in the right settings and at the right time. :)
     
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    Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)

    Dictatorship just leads to power abuse. If Hitler's reign wasn't enough to knock any sense into you, I don't know what will.

    I can guarantee you Communism will never be accepted after the events that unfolded in the past even if there was "a good dictator".
     
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    To be a leader, you need followers.

    It could happen a gin.
     
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    Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)

    That's exactly my point. It doesn't have a chance of surviving, because the collectivist movement has overpowered it in warfare and in politics. Ok, maybe you don't have to agree with that reason, but you'd be naive to believe that ideology's should be just "given chances". Opportunities always occur, but because the anarchy movement lacks a collective and cohesive force; it will always be somewhat isolated. I'm sure some sort of anarchy works on a small scale (good example is 17th century America), as does socialism...but heck, if they'd have any chance of success, THEY'D STILL EXIST!

    The anarcho movement is still absolutely essential in any government. A democracy of checks and balance does not mean however that you can remove the "checks" and still have balance.
     
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    The problem with that is it ends competition. Communism gives a set amount of money, a house, basic living needs for all...a stoner would get the same house as a doctor.
    If you already knew no matter how hard you work in life you'll still have the same job/money/house why would anyone bother learning law, medicine, computers? most will just pick a job like serving at a hotel. Everyone gets payed the same in communism. Without a desire for competition no new discoveries will be made and would eventually collapse society. A government with too much control is always a bad thing.
     
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    What if someone wasn't given the same opportunities a doctor had?
     
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    you know nothing about communism, it always fails which is why everyone is worried about Obama. In communism taxi drivers get paid more than doctors and w/e idc really, your just stupid
     
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    Communism doesn't fail all the time. (Communism can be the best kind of Government)

    Then...they would have a harder time being a doctor? What's your point?
     
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