[CnC] Forum Restructure

[SuF]

Sandbox is where I think we'll stick all forum competitions and events, and was meant for such - it's just positioned shitly for that purpose because nobody sees the events we put in there so we've been using comm general.

How I thought about it was
> Livestream page brings in streamers
> Streamers host events/competitions
> More community participancy follows; more of the old 'community spirit' we used to have

I may just be going off on the wrong thing, but aye.

I think that a name change for sandbox could help with that. Or a thorough description but I can understand moving it up for those reasons.


Edit: Sandbox doesn't give post count does it?

 

Currently no post count, aye.

(In case it was burried on last page: maybe just combining sandbox/com gen/livestreaming is a better option).

 

Maybe jus combining livestreaming/comm general/sandbox is better


It's not 'smaller' - there's just as much content. It's just organised better.

Donor ranks aren't the be all and end all, and if you want dat trust you're gonna donate regardless. But that's little things to be fine-tuned. Like I said, I'd like to see different mod ranks, so donor ranks would probably tweak too.

Compact is synonymous for smaller. If I sit on a cushion, it gets smaller, does it not? You don't have to take away components for that.

Donor ranks are a start, and the only thing that projects the site to be focused towards a specific game more than any other.

What does combining do? There is no issue with the way the forum is. You guys are just looking for a reason to change the forum unnecessarily. Sooner or later the forum will have three forum categories and one forum for all previous forums. It's getting ridiculous now.

 

[SuF]

Currently no post count, aye.

(In case it was burried on last page: maybe just combining sandbox/com gen/livestreaming is a better option).

Perhaps it would benefit from having post count count. Although that would also limit it in other ways since we couldn't just let people post constantly like they do now.

 

Trust me; I would not be voluntarily restructuring without cause - it's the biggest hassle ever, lel.

Smaller to me means less sections and content; the content is the same, just the homepage is better navigated and the sections are more clear. Why have LoL market at one end and LoL discussion at another when you can just have LoL?

If you just add loads of sections for everything, you get this endless list of where to post that's overwhelming for a new member. And it puts them off; it put me off when I was new here. If you're just scrolling and scrolling through less-frequented sections, to me, it isn't very appealing.

Do post an alternative.

 

Trust me; I would not be voluntarily restructuring without cause - it's the biggest hassle ever, lel.

Smaller to me means less sections and content; the content is the same, just the homepage is better navigated and the sections are more clear. Why have LoL market at one end and LoL discussion at another?

If you just add loads of sections for everything, you get this endless list of where to post that's overwhelming for a new member. And it puts them off; it put me off when I was new here. If you're just scrolling and scrolling through less-frequented sections, to me, it isn't very appealing.

Do post an alternative.

Give us one reason why another forum restructure should happen?

If you compact something, it gets smaller. That's elementary principles.

You're asking me why separate the market from the game discussion? Well there is your answer.

Overwhelming? Come on, you're exaggerating. The forum is fine, even with the additions of one or two more forums. It promotes more activity. Claiming that a smaller forum strengthens activity is an oxymoron. There are current statistics to prove that the structure of the forum has no visible effect on activity.

 

[Sun]

Very interesting idea. There's no reason to not readjust the forum if it could be beneficial. Your initial idea is a good starting point, and obviously many other people are interested in putting forth other ideas which is great. Hopefully something can/will be done eventually if the change is perfected and wanted.

I'm not too into streaming and whatnot, but with your idea, it would be a small section so I don't see a problem with putting it above RuneScape. More people would see it. If RuneScape is one of the main focuses of Sythe, having an extra (small) section above it wouldn't do much harm, if any. It would just give that section more publicity, which is the intended purpose.

The RuneScape section could use some improvement as there's not a lot of new discussion. I'm not sure about League of Legends or World of Warcraft. But I think they should have their own sections, as they are the main games on Sythe. I really like that idea.

Making the forum smaller hinders activity and makes it cluttered. The forum is fine the way it is. The only change it needs is additions, not subtractions.

That's not necessarily true. Making the forum smaller could make it easier to navigate. I personally think making the forum smaller makes it more organized which helps people navigate and participate. But that's just me, a very slim percent of push to a decision. If done properly, clutter could be avoided but I don't understand your thought that it'd hinder activity.

 

[SuF]

Give us one reason why another forum restructure should happen?

If you compact something, it gets smaller. That's elementary principles.

You're asking me why separate the market from the game discussion? Well there is your answer.

Overwhelming? Come on, you're exaggerating. The forum is fine, even with the additions of one or two more forums. It promotes more activity. Claiming that a smaller forum strengthens activity is an oxymoron. There are current statistics to prove that the structure of the forum has no visible effect on activity.

It could help. Lots of things could help. We should do a lot of them to get something done. This could be one of those things.

 

Smaller homepage =/= less content - is what I'm saying.

Naturally, everyone has different ideas and feelings when browsing. It'd be more helpful to comprise your own ideal so we can all work together and get to the end goal.

 

You know I believe that gaming is the future of Sythe, and I'm pretty much in complete support of this. I agree with Farcast that Streaming/Twitch are a HUGE market right now, and we're wrong to not be there. Sythe T-shirts for streamers, referral programs, contests sponsored by streams where they (And us) both retain profit. There are so many ways that we could benefit, the only problem is the stigma of our site being a ToS-violating group of scammers.

Overall, it's a good idea. SOMETHING needs to be done. Roary if you're in need of assistance, let me know. I restructured the entirety of Tribot, i should be able to be of some use.

I really think it'd be ghost town with streamers and our site. What legit Runescape player wants their followers knowing they support a RWT site? That would just make them lose followers/subscribers/etc. Going with streaming is not a good idea for this site.

 

It could help. Lots of things could help. We should do a lot of them to get something done. This could be one of those things.

What are you talking about? If you mean the restructure of the forum, help in what way? Let's say this goes through, I can guarantee in another year there will be another suggestion for a forum restructure with the same claims everyone is making now.

I spoke to Rich about something similar, and his rebuttal does make sense. If you want the activity to grow, you need to stop exempting specific forum potential. Claiming that the forum looks dead because some forums don't have the same activity as others is a complete sack of bullox. Look at how many people are viewing the forum everyday. That should prove in itself whether the forum is active.

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Smaller homepage =/= less content - is what I'm saying.

Naturally, everyone has different ideas and feelings when browsing. It'd be more helpful to comprise your own ideal so we can all work together and get to the end goal.

To be honest, the main thing that needs done is something needing done. We've spent so long saying "Yeah, that's a good idea." or "Sure, that would totally work" on all restructure threads. None of them are ever implemented at all. We need to sit down, figure out a solution that benefits the most and apply it quickly and cleanly.

 

I got tired waiting for change from higher up, or even suggestion implementation.

My idea was to start as broad as I can: the forums themselves, and then work my way down in to specifics: rules, conduct, idketc. and implement the changes I'm personally able to.

 

[SuF]

What are you talking about? If you mean the restructure of the forum, help in what way? Let's say this goes through, I can guarantee in another year there will be another suggestion for a forum restructure with the same claims everyone is making now.

I spoke to Rich about something similar, and his rebuttal does make sense. If you want the activity to grow, you need to stop exempting specific forum potential. Claiming that the forum looks dead because some forums don't have the same activity as others is a complete sack of bullox. Look at how many people are viewing the forum everyday. That should prove in itself whether the forum is active.

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Exempting potential? What do you mean by that?

 

That's not necessarily true. Making the forum smaller could make it easier to navigate. I personally think making the forum smaller makes it more organized which helps people navigate and participate. But that's just me, a very slim percent of push to a decision. If done properly, clutter could be avoided but I don't understand your thought that it'd hinder activity.

It's the same claim every time someone suggests a forum restructure. My 13 year old cousin can navigate through these forums without a problem. There will always be incompetent users posting in wrong sections, and asking where should (x) be posted. That's something that comes with a forum. It's an interpretation of what you think fits without viewing the other forums as a possibility.

 

Some people like compacted forums, some people like an endless list of forums. One or the other wont satisfy all; we've established this now.

The goal is to find a happy medium, hopefully.

 

http://www.sythe.org/approved-suggestions/

I would start here and work up the list. Obviously it's being done but seems slow.

 

^ we're waiting on the upper-admins to go through the todo list I've compiled of the approved suggestions.

 

Exempting potential? What do you mean by that?

Removing forums because they don't bring an expected amount of activity right away. Same with the introductory of new forums in the sense that, "I don't think it will bring activity, so no." It's always been that way when someone suggests a forum be removed or introduced. The user never participates in x forum, but feels it hinders the forum in some way.

Some people like compacted forums, some people like an endless list of forums. One or the other wont satisfy all; we've established this now.

The goal is to find a happy medium, hopefully.

Is the addition of two new forums your interpretation of endless? I like the current structure of the forum, and I don't view it as "endless".

 

I really like it Roary. It'll look cleaner, put community stuff at the top of the page, and seriously improve gaming discussion. Really not at the expense of much, other than being a slightly different experience.

I'm sure a few small navigation tweaks and such could be made, but I'd like to see it used. Glad I'm not Richard or Matthew atm, changing that many sections in VB acp is annoying lmao.