Clarify TOS/HCIM Death/Account Valuation Rules

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  1. Unread #41 - Aug 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM
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    @ report a scammer good proof for my acc also a worker dropped 300m of my acc with many rares

    dwh,faceguard,2zenyte jewelrys,zammy spear,3rd age legs etc and i just get refund of my bank worth back :/ has u know to get this all back takes much more same as all my supplies
     
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    Showing proof of who died on the account i find pretty dumb to say the least.
    We all know that most of the service providers are just getting away with it if the hcim dies, and having to pay such a low amount as a compensation. i think that there should be some clear rules with providers and hcim.
    Providers sometimes offer a "remake" but in the end are not willing to remake the account, which they are also getting away with.
     
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    What happens when their internet dcs? How is this any different from owner of the account dcing? There are risks involved with every hc service. Maybe if the service is 70-85 agility I can see an argument from some additional compensation but it would have to be handled on a case by case basis and there could he no set “industry standard” like you want.

    I think it is great you offer to remake an account for a customer in the case of a hardcore death, but the remaking or compensation for a mid/late game HC is not comparable and it is unreasonable to think that a service provider pay for your time for one mistake, you can argue don’t take the job if you can’t survive but it work’s both ways, don’t get it serviced unless you understand that you are risking your time and effort because you are being lazy.
     
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    I've had accounts that have dced and i've had to remake. That's such a snowflake mentality lol.
     
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    How are you supposed to evaluate it, some people could have got a d warhammer at 500 kc and it is not the same value in their mind as say someone who spent 20,000 kills to get it.

    What you guys are asking is to value things based on time spent and that concept isn’t really something you can calculate. Person A who rarely plays ironman and gets his 500m bank dropped might be happy with say a 3:1 ratio for his irons bank being dropped. But person B after spending countless hours on a drop ingame wouldn’t be content with anything but that item back.

    This would also cause an issue where once an ironman decides to quit the game instead of dropping all their items to their main and RWTing it, what is stopping them from framing a service provider and getting paid out 3:1 instead of 1:1.

    Im not saying things shouldn’t or can’t change but this is not the change that should happen. IMO
     
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    Again, that's why I am not suggesting for sythe to enforce a 1:3 or anything like that. I am suggesting that the current rules be stickied.
     
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    I figured you would just do the drop rate per item and how much a shaman kill costs from a service provider. In this case its 60k a kill from Abra say you can get it done for 40k from a venny thats still 200m on drop rate.
     
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    Why are my comments being removed? Freedom of speech?
     
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    How is it fair to reason 400M compensation when evaluating the account for 600M when nobody would buy it from me for that price as I'm a newcomer and I'm expected to waste my pvt to sell the account that Cherry ruined?

    Stop deleting my threads you know you are wrong in suggesting that as fair.
     
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    The account isn't worth 600M, it hasn't even reached late game. This evaluation by @Superfluous is incorrect.
     
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    And even if it is worth 600M it should be Cherry's responsibility to sell it as he was the one that ruined the account
     
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    I think we should emphasize that prior to any service involving an ironman, there needs to be a discussion on what happens if the account dies in the hands of the service provider. Will the service provider get a new ironman to the same point as the previous account and/or provide some sort of compensation? Also, at what rate should they be reimbursed? Considering items and RSGP are worth more on an ironman account.

    For instances where someone's ironman status is lost due to the service provider's negligence, I think the loss of status should be considered part of the "amount scammed." An ironman account and normal account at the same level are valued a lot differently. Looking at similar reports (i.e. one, two). It looks like the users seeking retribution aimed to get another ironman to the same point as the previous account and reimbursed for the damages accrued.

    Looking at the report mentioned in the original post, @Maxed_Cape will be refunded for his initial order but did not want a rebuilt HCIM due to the time it'll take. It can be kind of tricky getting an accurate valuation, but if we were to get quotes from various reputable sellers on the value lost on the account after the HCIM status was lost, the service provider should be held liable to pay back that amount. If Maxed_Cape didn't want a rebuilt account and just wanted reimbursement, and we're taking into consideration the value of the account currently as a rationale for the amount that will be reimbursed, it seems a little strange to me for him to be tasked with the sale of the account. Considering it was the service provider's negligence that lead to his account being ruined, shouldn't the service provider, if the account still has value, be obligated to either buy the account or facilitate the trade? Just my two cents.
     
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    I agree with everything you've said. The mods justified the overall total compensation as follows: 400M (Order refund) + 400M (Compensation). The 400M compensation was decided as followeds: "talked to video he said that the reason its a 400m refund is because that acc can be sold for 600m". If this is the case, surely as it is solely Cherry's fault, he should provide me with the additional 600M (if it is worth 600M), and if I provide all the correct recoveries etc along with middle manning (something I've looked into), then he should carry the burden of trying to sell the account and I be instantly compensated, as its due to his negligence I'm here accountless without a HCIM that I spent so many hours working on.
     
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    The pricing of something either dying, banned or canceled the service is quite fucked, and the mods seems to be on the same level as the providers.

    As soon as the providers does either of above, the case normally favors the providers of the service, which I really do disagree with. Especially if the service provider is big and “trusted”, newcomers and lower bracket of them will always lose their case, just because of the bias there is.
     
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    Its kind of crazy how the community is on the same page with this but the moderators are not. It would've made more sense for it to be the other way around surely?

    Cherry himself stated if the mods agreed 1B had to be paid he would do so. I think its unfair for the mods to impose the victim that lost his hard earned account to then spend more time trying to sell the account that they appraised ridiculously high.

    Stating from Video: "the reason its a 400m refund is because that acc can be sold for 600m" - given my circumstance, along with the fact that the market price for the account is no where near that number, surely I should receive that value on top of the compensation, then if I list the account and it sells for 600M I could simply give the money to the service provider, having received my immediate compensation that the service provider should give initially, the selling of the account could take ages and probably will not sell in any case, so they should burden this effort and wait, not the person thats account got ruined.
     
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    I'm literally forced to accept whatever compensation the service provider proposes, whilst the mods barely reply or assist you in this dire circumstance, whatever I'm over it. I'm going to take my 800M and be done with it. Clearly the mods don't care about its members.
     
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    Your more than welcome to see the progress of my account sale Selling Iron Man (OSRS) - I can't wait to receive 600M! LOL
     
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    I understand being frustrated with the situation but if you're willing wanting to sell the account I would recommend putting a bit more effort in. Yes it will be harder to sell it as a newcomer but it isn't impossible people do it. Food for thought take it for it is.
     
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    Why should I? It won't sell anyway, and I've provided pictures of everything on the account. I've wasted over 10 hours in communication with mods, the service provider and these posts that haven't resulting in any fair solutions. Its all pointless. The account definitely will not sell ESP for the prices suggested by the mods. That much I can guarantee.
     
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    Complaining about it isn't going to change anything. So you can choose to sit in it. Or you can try to sell the account and make some of the money back. The choice is yours.
     
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