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Can a rat be hidden from the running process list?

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I heard a rsps was ratted that had i downloaded before. I ran malware bytes, rootkit detector, and nod32 antivirus and they havent detected anything. I am looking at running processes through task manager and dont see anything unfamiliar. I also looked at the startup processes and dont see anything either.

My question is can a rat hide from those lists? And the process not even show up? I know they can fake the process name as window related.
 
Upon further looking i still cant find anything so im not sure if the rsps was even ratted as people say or i downloaded it before it got ratted.
 
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http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1731894/put-rat.html

1) Firstly an extremely easy way to tell if you've been ratted is to go to your folder options, and uncheck hide protected operating systemfiles and show hidden files and folders. Then go to your C drive and if there is any folder called WinUpdate, that is a rat. In addition to that, go to your appdata root, roaming and all other folders in your appdata. If you find any files or folder that look like they belong to your system like windows defender or anything like that, those are all rats.


2) Secondly, you may open your process list by holding control alt delete, and open your task manager. Check the box or click show processes from all users. Look for any double processes, most commonly winlogon, windefender, and winupdate are doubles, if so look for the one that is not controlled by the system, but instead look for the one that has your username under user. Also, if the process has a randomized description and you don't recognize the process, it is most likely a rat. To find the location, right click it and press open file location.

3) How to Remove. Before you start ending processes, deleting files, please read this to prevent damage to your computer. If you end the process or delete the file, it may not let you, or you'll get a blue screen and your system will crash. To fix this, hold your power button until your computer shuts off. Start up again and boot into safe mode. From here go to the file location you discovered from the process list or wherever you found it. From there, you can safely delete it. After or before this, install and run malwarebytes on your system to ensure it is completely gone. Another thing you can do if it is not a sophisticated rat, you can simply create a new user and delete the other.


Please note, this is not a 100% sure fire way to get rid of a rat, but it will usually work. The rat may have spread even further though, in which case, you should do a system restore or have a professional or friend help you completely delete it.

I do not believe there is a way to hide applications from showing up on processes without using a 3rd party program (I.E. Hocus Pocus)

If you're afraid of having a RAT on your PC i would suggest doing a system restore or just reformatting to be safe.

Some RATs will not be detected by common Antiviruses like malware bytes... You'd need someone who knows what they're looking for to go through your OTL (similar to HiJackThis) logs

Btw, change your passwords from a safe computer or a mobile phone. If you're ratted they have your passwords already.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1731894/put-rat.html



I do not believe there is a way to hide applications from showing up on processes without using a 3rd party program (I.E. Hocus Pocus)

If you're afraid of having a RAT on your PC i would suggest doing a system restore or just reformatting to be safe.

Some RATs will not be detected by common Antiviruses like malware bytes... You'd need someone who knows what they're looking for to go through your OTL (similar to HiJackThis) logs

Btw, change your passwords from a safe computer or a mobile phone. If you're ratted they have your passwords already.

Most of this is true, but you don't have to be a wizzkid to surpass a virusscan, anti-malware program or a firewall. It's also not that hard to keep it out of the procces list if you have the methods/software for it. Most amateurs don't know shit about this though so checking proces list thorough should detect it easily. Just don't download random stuff only from verified companies etc and re-install your windows atleast once a year imo.
 
a RAT can be hidden from process list. all it has to do is, with the aid of a rootkit such as HxDef, merge it's PID with the PID of a commonly running process i.e explorer.exe)

Altough antivirus software detect the vast majority of viruses/root kit /etc. what they won't detect is the new variations of a virus. it will take some time before these virus are caught too.

The same way principle applies in sport's drug test, the test will only detect the already known drugs, whereas it won't detect a new "branch" of the same drug.

I don't know if i'm being clear. hope that helped!
 
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