BSGPSeller - MM Forum Ban

[Dave]

Hello Sythe Staff,

About a month ago I was pardoned and allowed back on Sythe after admitting to scamming two users for a combined total of $235 back in mid 2011. A stipulation of my pardon was that I would be banned from the MiddleMan forums for 6 months.

With the consent of the staff, I was hoping to have the ban lifted early.

Some of my accomplishments on Sythe:

1,000 + Vouches
Completed OMM Application
2,700 + Posts

From when I was banned till now, I've gained 80 vouches. ~~ 10 of which are from MiddleManning. These vouches are from various trades consisting of:

RSGP <> Upgrade
RSGP <> PayPal
RSGP <> MoneyPack
RSGP <> Account
RSGP <> Guide
RSGP <> Moneybookers

These vouches are only the ones from during/after my ban. Yes some of them are worded weirdly but each pair pair goes with one another. 1 & 2 are from the same trade, 3 & 4 are from the same trade, etc.

Vouch for Dave, MMED a Rsgp for Moneypak trade, Even though he is Banned, My trust for him will not end, Hope to see him back soon. He was holding both $240 and 350m at the same time, Vouch for this beast

vouch mm'd 240$ mp trade

huge vouch did my acc buying.. awesome guy

Vouch for BSGP once again, he MM'd a trade for me even though his MM thread is locked currently, nonetheless, I'd support for OMM, thanks again bud, you no ily. <3

Huge Vouche for BSGP for MMing my RS Upgrade for 20m! Another great job!

He MM'd my 20m trade for $20 Ugc worked just fine

Vouch for BSGP! MM'ed a 400m trade for me! Super Trusted and would recommend for OMM!

MMed a 400m trade for me, really nice guy, thanks!

Vouch! MM'd a trade for me!

vouch for dave, i bought a guide for rsgp went fast and all, i recommend this dude

Vouch For BSGP, He MM'ed a 55M trade for me, VERY PROFESSIONAL!

Big vouch for BSGPSeller, one of the most professional MMs I have ever used, smooth trade, felt secure at all times, excellent service!

In each of these trades, I made sure to use my MiddleMan forum layout to make sure all the information was correct/there was no imposters of me being used in any of the trades.

For example:

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=10820233&postcount=7
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=10820242&postcount=9
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=10820247&postcount=10
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=10820253&postcount=11

Or as a full thread:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1381790

With each of these trades, I let the users know that I was banned from the MM forum before the trades began. They all knew that I was banned before using me as their MiddleMan.

Some screenies of this:

I know that being pardoned in itself is a huge deal and that I may sound like I'm asking for even more which is why I completely understand if this is denied. I feel as though I was a very large asset to the MiddleMan forums especially because I was one of the most highly vouched free MiddleMen and overtime I got to be a very safe and fast MiddleMan and hopefully I can see myself back there helping out soon .

Thank you for taking your time to read.

Sincerely,
Dave|BSGPSeller

 

[Corey]

I'll wait and see what others think about this first.

 

Support for unban.

 

[FireZ]

Its a 100 day ban, not 6 months, for the record.

 

[Dave]

My bad, had just assumed from your post on my pardon that it was 6 months. Do you mind my asking the current day of unbanning?

Thank you .

 

[Clashfan]

07-08-2012 11:54 Pm

 

[Punjabi3]

I'd prefer the 100 day forum ban to stay.

 

[RsProd]

I don't view him as a risk to the site / its users. By having his pardon accepted, I don't think we should be holding anything against him.

I'd support the unban from the MM section.

 

I'd support changing it from being lifted in August to it being lifted in June. No earlier.

 

[n4n0]

I personally don't see him as a risk to the site. If we felt he were a risk in the first place, he should never have been pardoned. I'm willing to shorten or even remove his forumban.

 

[Karl]

Forum bans after being pardoned never make any sense, if we do not trust them enough to be pardoned with full access, then why do we pardon them at all?

Either we should remove this forumban now or just re-ban him, since it'd be stupid to do the latter, remove this ban.

 

[Corey]

My opinion has always been the same as Karls, giving a forumban or TwC after a pardon completely nullifys the point of a pardon; showing that we trust and forgive them.

If we don't trust him enough to use the MM forum, we may as well have kept him banned.

Support.

 

Forum bans are supposed to serve as more of a punishment instead of a trust issue. I'd like to keep it in place.

 

[SuF]

Forum bans are supposed to serve as more of a punishment instead of a trust issue. I'd like to keep it in place.

^....

 

[FireZ]

I banned him from the MM forums. Not because I don't trust him. He served no punishment for his previous actions and this was a fair way to let him come back with a slap on the wrist. This is his alternate form of a punishment.

And I qoute directly from the HP Forum Sticky:

Note - Just because you are pardoned doesn't mean you are completely scott-free. Your situation and offenses will be evaluated carefully to ensure the best protection of the community. For example you may be given a market ban, put in the last chance usergroup or have a TWC for a given amount of time.

Therefore getting pardoned doesn't mean another punishment can't come after it.

I also posted 15 days ago on his pardon thread that still sits in USL voting that I had enacted this ban, and since then, not the first person even posted or sent me a PM with any opposition.

Denied.