BigBoiBets refusing to fulfill their part of the deal

Scammer's profile link: BigBoiBets
Proof that the service was not completed: See below
Other relevant information:

In late July - August 2018, we signed a collaborating agreement with BigBoiBets (namely, all deals and correspondence was conducted with Andreas, who was the representative of BBB), and as part of the contract, my agents were conducting cash-in and cash-out services. On August 1, the cashier dashboard account (the only account which was used for all transactions) was compromised, and someone cashed out approximately 10B of OSRS Gold by sending chips to a mule BBB account and then cashing it out by pretending to be a regular client. I was the one who identified those questionable cash-outs on August 3 and asked Andreas to investigate. It was confirmed that the cashier account was indeed hacked and accessed from a VPS, from which all the activity took place.

When the whole situation went down, I cooperated to the fullest extent possible, grasping every possible lead in order to identify who was behind the scam. Considering the fact that this was the first month of possible future collaboration, I was definitely not the party interested in compromising the whole business.

While BBB did not really care much about the scam, we spent a lot of time investigating this situation and managed to identify the VPS hosting website which was used to access BBB fraudulently. We even found merchants who bought scammed gold and took chat logs from them to make a complete timeframe of how and when everything happened.

As a side note, when investigating this whole situation, I did uncover some interesting facts linking a possible user to the identity of the scammer, namely a very-very specific phrase used during the chat by both the scammer and another user (who was, as it happens, doing a big cash-out as well). When asked to see if those people are linked, BBB could not even find the chat in question, saying that “the request literally doesn't exist in the database”, which does BBB very little credit when it comes to security questions (and this is especially relevant since initially this whole incident was blamed on my agents and called an inside job rather than a hack).

When contacting the VPS provider in question, we were told that in order for information related to the identity of the scammer to be released, an official police report has to be submitted, and this had to be done by the affected party, namely BBB. Another option offered by the VPS provider was to provide logs proving that the IP in question was actually involved in fraudulent activities.

Due to the way how technical side of things is set at BBB, they failed to provide me with logs. Even before the beginning of the deal, while we were working out the details, I asked if they have a 2fa login on BBB, which is clearly a must-have in this industry. They responded with “Been on the to-do but was sacrificed for higher ROI tasks” to which I responded, "what can have higher ROI than security". If they cared about the security and not only about ROI, this scam would never have happened in the first place.

Nevertheless, I asked them to proceed with the police report on multiple occasions. All I received in return were promises to do that. However, promises remained just that - promises, and the situation remained unresolved. Mutual trust was lost, with no prospects of it recovering. I was frustrated, and since I had absolute confidence in my agents (and had all legal grounds to recover the losses, should it be proven that one of them was actually behind all this), I offered 2 possible solutions to this whole situation, namely:

“Wanna make sure you understood what I meant previously. I can cover all Sugaray [scammer’s name] loss on my own right now and stop partnership after the first month (possibly give you like 1-2 weeks extra to find replacement team) or we leave it as it is for unlimited time till we get any additional information which could help to identify exact person behind this, doesn’t matter if its from police report or new sythe data or anything else, if that leads to any of my agent, I am covering everything for you.”

Andreas was getting a lot of pressure from iZinc (allegedly the owner of BBB) to get the money from me, so I decided to cover the scam and terminate the partnership, holding it in good faith that BBB would fulfill their end of the bargain, namely filing the police report so that I would find out who was behind this incident, and reclaim the funds if that person was actually an agent of mine.

“and you'll still have to proceed

with police report

to get me that info

as Im covering it so I'll want to find guilty

person and only you can help me to do that”

Once our partnership was over, it began to look more and more like BBB were just feeding me with false promises about filing that police report, so I decided to withhold the last portion of bookkeeping payment I owed them (namely, $1009, which is unrelated to the whole hacking event) as a guarantee that they would hold up to their end of the bargain and file the promised police report, because otherwise I wouldn’t have agreed to cover the $7359 scam (and up until now, there is still no proof any associate of mine was involved). They accused me of blackmailing and threatened to post a Sythe scam report, at the same time making it clear that they were never even planning on filling that police report in the first place (for whichever reason, be that the fact that at the time BBB wasn’t even a legal entity or the fact that they didn’t want to submit a police report due to the nature of their business model).

Up to this day, no effort was placed in the direction of identifying the hacker, in spite of the fact that from our side we offered our full cooperation. I had and still have enough confidence in my agents, knowing that they backed up the idea of co-operating with BBB in the first place, and I am yet to receive proof that any of them was behind the incident. The required evidence can be easily acquired, yet no effort is being put to the resolution of this situation from the side of BBB.

We have no problem with fully covering the damages if it is proven that an associate of Probemas was behind the incident (and to produce said evidence is not an impossible task). However, currently we are being accused on the grounds of “we never had hacking issues in 5 years” and ”only you knew the password", which is ridiculous – Andreas knew the password as well, at the very least. We had absolutely no reason or motive to do what was done, since this would jeopardise a possible future business cooperation for the sake of short-term questionable profit.

We kept receiving threats from BBB that they will “talk to the admins” regarding the $1009 which we are refusing to release until BBB fulfills their part of the deal. BBB also tried to change the facts and depict it as if Andreas was promising to file the police report out of his own accord rather than on behalf of BBB:

“I promised to look into it for you, but BBB didn't promise you anything yet the money belongs to bbb”

This is absolutely not true. He was and is the only person from BBB I am dealing with, this has always been that way and he was always representing BBB in all of our deals rather than himself personally.

Now we are receiving threats about filing a scam report against us on Sythe, which was the last straw. This is why I am escalating the issue myself as these threats are a good opportunity to finally and fully resolve this matter.

As such, I am requesting a refund of $7359 which were paid out to cover the losses of scamming event, as their end of bargain of filing a police report was never fulfilled and I was denied my right to reclaim the money from scammer (since it is assumed that an agent of mine was involved). Once that is done, I’ll happily pay back $1009.

Regarding the $7359 repayment, I agree to cover that if the investigation produces unquestionable evidence which would link the scam to any of my agents.

The evidence for this case might be very sensitive for BBB, so it will be posted in a deleted post.

I am not doing this because I want to play the blame game. I think the fact that I paid out the initial $7359 was a sufficient gesture of good will and willingness to resolve the incident and cooperate, but it seems, Andreas, that you misinterpreted that as me taking the blame and agreeing with blind accusations of my legal employees and people I know in real life. I am tired of being pushed over and threatened and this will not be tolerated any longer.

I would like to ask Video, Shin and other admins associated with BBB not to participate in this report. This is not meant as a personal offence, but rather related to concerns that such investigation would be biased.

Thank you.

 

User has been DNT'd.

@BigBoiBets
1. "Been on the to-do list". What is more important than security in an organization? Regardless, if you have never been hacked you cannot put the blame on @Probemas agents without 100% proof.

2. You agreed on a "Full payment" on behalf of @Probemas covering the losses and you would proceed with your side of the bargain. Why hasn't this been done yet? Why the delay on the report? Not only did you promise the report, but you agreed to it if the damages were covered, in this case they were.

3. Can you provide proof of attempting to find the hacker in this situation? And if you do not have it, why the lack of effort involving a 10B hack? Would it be fair to assume you had a part in it, if in fact the lack of effort is there?

As of right now @Probemas please do not pay any money until this is fully resolved.

@BigBoiBets I want a full explanation from you and your team.

 

@BigBoiBets
You cannot hold a partner infinitely responsible for all losses without guaranteeing that the losses be tracked down to the best of your ability beforehand. Especially if @Probemas doesn't have control over the security of the site. As @Probemas mentioned, that'd open him up to the possibility of being endlessly responsible for any wrongdoing/incompetence on BBB's side of things without any recourse. He'd have no options, and you'd have no responsibility. This constitutes an unconscionable contact and would therefore be unenforceable.

It's very clear you've been deflecting, disregarding, and ignoring Probemas's requests for due diligence.

 

No offence taken, this report is in good hands

 

@BigBoiBets Is there any reason you continue to browse the forums/this report several times without responding? I'm not fully aware if any progression outside of this report has been made as you haven't responded to what @Champ has asked you yet.

 

@BigBoiBets @LogoGambling I am going to make this clear, if you continue to browse this forum and act oblivious to this report, you will be banned. I expect a response from you and your team with in the next 24 hours, or you will be permanently banned from this forum.

 

Hello, this is Andreas, thank you @Champ and others for reviewing this thread and using your time to resolve this scam report on behalf of Sythe, I’m sure that in your capable hands this will be dealt with fairly as you have integrity and have a history of being unbiased with reports. I have no doubt that Probemas is an honest guy, and that is backed by the fact that he covered the $7359 after we agreed on terms. I can see that he is upset by this situation because he still hasn’t recovered his $7359 back, and hopefully both parties can get what they came for by the end of the day. Please now allow me to reply in full detail.

The $7359 was taken from a cashier account “Helper” that Probemas and his employee had access to, there’s 2 IP’s linked to the account, 1 is Probemas and the other is the VPS company. How the scam happened was “Helper” the account that Probemas and his employees had access to, transferred 100m chips to a BBB account called “sugaray” over the course of 40 hours in very large transactions, then periodically “sugaray” would withdraw rsgp (knowingly when the “Helper” account has made enough from deposits” and make withdrawal requests for large amounts, and “Helper” would pay all the money that it has collected in deposits out to the “sugaray” account owner (See below for screenshots). It is extremely suspicious that Probemas and the employee would not notice something fishy going on where he isn’t selling any gold, when he makes gold sales every single day and seeing his balance decrease drastically whilst he isn’t getting deposits that match that size, this clearly indicates a collaboration between the “Helper” account and “sugaray” and not some random one time hack. To indicate that it wasn’t a website hack, along with the fact that there has been 0 hack reports for a very long time, the cashier process works like this: an account logs into the website, and visits www.bigboibets.com/cashier.php, all of Probemas’ agents had enough privileges to be able to see this page, you then get requests sounds notification for deposits and withdrawals, the agent accepts them and go into a live chat, transfers the chips to and from, trades the gold to and from in-game, and ends the trade. If the account at the time would have been hijacked it would have been obvious, but the Probemas employee working at the time did not notice another cashier being logged in and stealing his requests because two people may not log into the same account for using the cashier. When this was finally brought to attention after seeing the very low profits did Probemas find it justifiable to refund the $7352 to us based on the large insinuation that it was his employee, for which he wanted a police report to chase after him. I would not put so much effort into something if I did not believe that person to be guilty.

Contradictory to what Probemas has said, we have been very assistive since the start, every single piece of evidence that he has asked for it has been supplied to him in a duly manner (As seen below*). Then Probemas requested BBB file a police report - which after explaining this to iZinC and later I agreed with - that it was not our responsibility to file a police report to recover losses from an employee that doesn’t work for us, for a company that isn’t ours, that is absurd. Our responsibilities to Probemas are to pay him his fee for the services that he provides, and Probemas’ responsibilities to us are to pay us the money that we’re owed through the services that he is supplying - which he did not do, and threatened to withhold the $7000 before paying us the money that was owed to us (show evidence) and threatening again to withhold the $1000 unless we file a police report - which is blackmail. It overwhelmingly indicates that they are from a fault of his, and have not been proven otherwise, along with there being 0 motive for BBB to that as we are a company that acts with great integrity contrary to popular belief on Sythe. We have helped to our fullest extent, and are extending our hand in helping him even more - iZinC has been recently informed that the VPS company won’t accept a police report from Probemas, so since finding it out iZinC has directly contacted him asking for the correspondence between the VPS hosting company, and a contact for them so that he can correctly inform them that it should be Probemas who files the police report and not us, and we’ll be able to provide them with the same information that we originally sent Probemas to help him in his case which is more than most companies would do to help someone.
We have a clear balance sheet showing we are owed $1k by Probemas, to which Probemas agrees.

In summary, Probemas has merely made accusations that our website was hacked without a single shred of evidence, and we’ve had to reply to this promptly during our busy schedules in threat of being permanently banned. He has not provided correspondence between him and the VPS hosting company saying that it must be us who files the police report or provided contact information to reach out to them to help him resolve the situation, which he is accusing us of not helping him, when it is him who is withholding helpful information, nor has he provided any kind of evidence of any kind at all. Due to the short notice of this, we will upload this post now and tomorrow supply you with a google document fully transacting the history of the “Helper” and “sugarray” correspondence. And as such we request the withheld $1009 from Probemas to be rightfully returned to us as it is money that is owed to us.

*Screenshots:

Sugaray & Helper collaborating:
1. Screenshot - 1a6de88bae9b3834dac5af1ff256dbbc - Gyazo
2. Screenshot - 97f4aa645f22f058c03d3d67381a5b3a - Gyazo

Andreas providing info and logs:
Screenshot - 9f91c3b5ee5fc94cd042248db6833e31 - Gyazo
Screenshot - f5d340881fadfdc2aaebd4db9ded88d3 - Gyazo
Screenshot - 9efca335a84618aec7ac7f50186915e4 - Gyazo
Proof of legitimate screenshots:
Screen capture - 6524e9bc011272b953cf06a4ef792591 - Gyazo

 

So if it was noticed over a course of 'X" hours, then why wasn't it brought to attention prior to just letting it continue to go on? Or was that a plan by yourself or another BBB insider?

It is not "Probemas" responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility. You are the owner of this organization, therefore the burden is on yourself

I will need to see proof of this, which can be shown by providing me with the chat-logs (from start to finish).

It is your responsibility to cover losses as the owner of the organization. You state "Recover losses from an employee that doesn't work for us", therefore you are "assuming" that an employee of @Probemas took the money. Unless you can prove that these assumptions will not work here. If you can't prove that, then you will be responsible for not only your website's fault, but also the money that @Probemas paid you out of good faith.

I would like to speak to you @Probemas to hear your side of this.

 

Due to the overwhelmingly biased response from Champ, just as Probemas requested that Shin and Video do not get involved since we know them. We request the same thing back and request that Champ and anyone else accosted with Probemas aren’t involved so that this case is treated objectively, because currently we’re defending ourselves against wild accusations with no proof, Champ is making it like a witch hunt.

We explained rationalised reasons as to why if someone malicious was on their account whilst they were operating it and their balance was going down, why didn’t they notice it? Unless it was purposely not reported, because it was in fact the operator of that account.

We do not permanently monitor people’s balances, it isn’t a “conspiracy theory” why we didn’t notice it, if BBB did plan a stint like this the risks of getting caught are astronomical since we would be making huge withdrawals whilst not getting enough deposits to make up for it, and then balance would be mysteriously going down, it is nonsensical and for 5 years we haven’t done this once, we’ve initially had independent chip traders for the first year where there were 0 accusations of BBB taking money from them, and then @aabbcathy for the next 4 years with there being 0 accusations.

It entirely is not my responsibility to insure the legitimacy of Probemas’ employees, it is his responsibility to ensure that his staff will not steal from him, and if they do it is not my responsibility to return that money to him. Secondly if his account was hijacked, it is his responsibility to secure the account, if he felt that not having 2FA was too much of a security risk he wouldn’t have worked for us.

We are more than happy to share all of these logs with a reputable staff member.

This clearly shows that you are biased which is exactly why you will be removed from the case, you have no evidence that it was the website’s fault, you’re basing your entire argument off of that.

 

You will need to have evidence of it being a @Probemas employee. Unless you can provide 100% proof of who hacked your website, you are responsible for the losses.

 

The attempt of taking my words out of context and presenting them the way you find more fitting rather than facing the facts is very interesting.

First and foremost, no one has ever told us that we are supposed to be monitoring the amounts of cash-ins and cash-outs – Andreas told us to do that only after the incident, and from thereafter we were always double-checking the larger cash-outs with the staff. Considering the fact that we were participating in this project for only two weeks at the time, the priority was to do the tasks which were assigned to us to the best of our abilities rather than trying to be clairvoyants and predict any possible incidents which could take place. The task at hand was to accept cash-ins and provide cash-outs, so that all of the BBB clients were satisfied with the service, especially cash-outs, because the way cash-outs operated previously, under the management of Summber, were the laughing stock of the whole BBB community: they couldn’t handle big cash-outs and people had to wait weeks to be amongst the lucky ones to actually receive service. This was the nature of the agreement – to make BBB clients happier and to generate back the trust into the services they provide, without worrying about bulk cash-outs. During the timeframe of the scam, 4 different employees were working at cashier service. The scams have not occurred during the work shift of 1 agent. I was online personally when I noticed the cash-outs of Sugaray, and I decided to investigate this myself – who he is and why he cashes out so much. I reported my suspicions in the #staff channel on Discord.

“If the account at the time would have been hijacked it would have been obvious, but the Probemas employee working at the time did not notice another cashier being logged in and stealing his requests because two people may not log into the same account for using the cashier“

This is absolute garbage. Are you not familiar with your own system, or are you trying to manipulate the fact that other people do not know how it works? Multiple people can be logged in with the same account at the same time, and you cannot see who is actually logged in. No one was stealing no one’s requests, you told me yourself that the chips were send manually through “Send chips” option that has nothing to do with automated requests. This could have been done by anyone without noticing that, as no requests are popping up for such action. It works the same way as the transfer between two players – they don’t need to open cash-out/cash-in requests for that. Two people cannot clock-in to start shift from the same account, but there can be many people logged in to the account at the same time, and all chats and chips transfers can be done without being clocked-in for the shift. Whenever my agents were doing shifts, I was often online with them, logged into the very same Helper account they have been working with and I have been helping them during the waves of traffic from the very same account.

“The $7359 was taken from a cashier account “Helper” that Probemas and his employee had access to, there’s 2 IP’s linked to the account, 1 is Probemas and the other is the VPS company.”

First of all, you were the one who gave us that access password, and I didn’t change it nor had I an option to do so. Considering the negligence and lack of effort in resolving this (with the exception of instantly pressing to get reimbursed), how can I be sure that it wasn’t leaked by you or that you haven’t given it to someone else? “Helper” was linked with many different IPs which belonged to my agents and there was a single IP which did not belong to them, the same IP is linked with SugaRay who was behind the scam. That IP comes from hosting company HostDime, which sells VPSes, so clearly the scammer has used the same VPS to access Helper and Sugaray. However, up to this day, there are no links between that VPS and my employees. This was the initial reason behind asking you to submit a police report, as otherwise the VPS company was unable to share the details related to who accessed the aforementioned server.

Now finally, after 2 months, after me escalating the issue to Sythe, I am blessed with the presence of the ominous and holy owner of BBB, who apparently was too busy for the affairs of mortals and didn’t have time to solve the 10B scam when it occurred. And now, after 2 months, he wants to contact the VPS provider and try to convince them that he’s bestowing me the privilege of filing the police report myself.

This is amusing. Please tell me, on what grounds do you even base your logic? Why would police take the case filed by some weirdly-appointed middleman, when I am not related to neither BBB nor it’s hosting in any way? The report is, obviously, supposed to be concerning the unauthorized access of the system (which was conducted through the server hosted at Hostdime VPS), so who else but the administrator which owns the system should file the said report? So based on your logic, if my neighbor dog’s car gets stolen, I should file the police report too, since my neighbor told me to do it, because why not?

You were the ones who were supposed to do it, and you know it. This was the agreement. And I was absolutely sure that you would do that. Then, we would identify the scammer – if it was a worker of mine, I would reclaim my money, if it wasn’t, we would obviously discuss the $7359 payment I sent to you. If, when a temporary resolution was presented, I was told "no, we won't be filing any police reports", I would have immediately escalated this issue since to this day, there is no proof that an agent of mine is responsible, only baseless assumptions. However, judging from your actions, I see that this would have ended up as a Sythe scam report regardless, only the title would have been a bit different.

“then periodically “sugaray” would withdraw rsgp (knowingly when the “Helper” account has made enough from deposits” and make withdrawal requests for large amounts, and “Helper” would pay all the money that it has collected in deposits out to the “sugaray” account owner”

Again, this is false, and you’re perfectly aware of that. We were not holding GP from deposits as you have asked to sell them right away. All Sugaray withdrawals were funded by us buying gold from our own sellers to fulfill those cash-outs, so they weren’t scheduled to be made whenever “he had gold filled” - we simply never had. If there was a request for a large cash-out, we always went looking for sellers right away. This is proven in one of the later screenshots, where I am telling Andreas that the actual scam loss will be less than indicated in the bookkeeping (due to the fact that we have been filling large cash-outs from our own gold that we basically sold it to BBB with a margin, so I said that for those cash-outs I won’t be applying a margin and enter the actual value of how much it cost us to buy that gold).

“It is extremely suspicious that Probemas and the employee would not notice something fishy going on where he isn’t selling any gold, when he makes gold sales every single day and seeing his balance decrease drastically whilst he isn’t getting deposits that match that size, this clearly indicates a collaboration between the “Helper” account and “sugaray” and not some random one time hack.”

We were providing cashier services, not gold selling services. We received no instructions regarding checking each person’s balances. Not to mention the fact that this is a gambling site and people can make money from tiny amounts. You also conveniently haven’t mentioned the fact that the first time Sugaray appeared, he actually started with small cash-ins and playing a bit rather than going straight into cash-outs.

“Contradictory to what Probemas has said, we have been very assistive since the start, every single piece of evidence that he has asked for it has been supplied to him in a duly manners has said, we have been very assistive since the start, every single piece of evidence that he has asked for it has been supplied to him in a duly manner”

Is this why after 2 months the promised police report still isn’t filed, and when we bring this up, our words are met with threats? Since general public isn’t aware, let me tell them about your “assistance”. HostDime was asking for actual backend event logs. The only thing we received from Andreas was related to transfer transaction IDs and amount of OSRS gold. What does that mean to a hosting company? Absolutely nothing.

Here is what HostDime told me:

“If you have logs of the suspicious IP assessing your admin page, successfully logging in and then exfiltrating files then yes, that would be sufficient. At this time the only information that we have received from you are login sessions for IPs. This does not tell us what they were logging into or what they did once they got there. I'm not sure how you log events on your end but we would welcome any plain text logs you have showing this type of activity occurring.”

BBB failed to provide me with such logs that could have been accepted by VPS company.


“We request the same thing back and request that Champ and anyone else accosted with Probemas aren’t involved so that this case is treated objectively, because currently we’re defending ourselves against wild accusations with no proof, Champ is making it like a witch hunt.”

I find it extremely amusing, reading that quote belonging to the same person who said the following phrase in the previous post:

"thank you @Champ and others for reviewing this thread and using your time to resolve this scam report on behalf of Sythe, I’m sure that in your capable hands this will be dealt with fairly as you have integrity and have a history of being unbiased with reports."

Champ is not associated with Probemas in any way. Or is asking uncomfortable questions now considered as “biased”? Is request for actual evidence “biased”? Is asking for proof and explanation for the lack of cooperation and refusal to fulfill your promises “biased”?

“Probemas find it justifiable to refund the $7352 to us based on the large insinuation that it was his employee”

Let me comment on that, too, since I’ve seen enough of taking things out of context and warping them while absolutely disregarding the facts.

Different from you, I did not believe my agents were guilty. Different from you, I believed into resolving this situation rather than accusing my legal employees without any evidence. Filing police report was the only condition under which I agreed to cover the damages until the actual culprit is found. And I mentioned this not once and not twice. You were perfectly aware of that. If the police report was filed and provided evidence would confirm that the scam had nothing to do with my agent (and I am absolutely sure of it, since the reaction I am seeing only confirms that the IP address which that would uncover is related to someone else, and the lack of effort in that direction makes me think that there are reasons to hide the truth), it seems that you would still stick to your baseless accusations.

What you fail to understand is that my agents are not just people I know in real life, they are my legal employees. Each and every one of them signed a contract (and this can be proven) which has the section related to “deliberately caused damages and damages caused by negligence”. Each and every one of them is aware of legal consequences. YOU assumed my agents were guilty. Considering the fact that this would mean a lawsuit, fine and reimbursement for them, I had no problem vouching for them by covering the damages until this is resolved.

You claim that I “merely make accusations without a single shred of evidence” yet up to this moment, presented no actual evidence yourself. I love how you are dancing around the fact that you were perfectly aware that the only way to obtain the said evidence was for you to do your part of the deal and file the police report.

Different from you, I was ready to back my words and my confidence in my agents with actions. My only mistake in this whole situation was trusting that you would honor the agreement.

I am sending an additional set of screenshots of evidence with detailed explanations in a deleted post once again to save possibly sensitive private BBB data from public eyes.

Please feel free to contact me if additional information is required.

Thank you.

 

I would like to take time to provide context to everyone reading this post, about how our final agreement came to be:

After the damages were made clear I came out stating we wanted to be reimbursed and thus I laid a fair basis for terms we would eventually both agree upon:
https://i.gyazo.com/c3368c6ac8a8097ed19d2f03188eb804.png
Probemas would pay for the entire incident and we would keep on working though taking precautions; a different account for each Probemas employee and checkups on larger withdrawals (It was my misunderstanding that we would continue working), which made me agree to file a police report (seemingly pointless, Probemas indicated off the bat it was going nowhere as we didn't get DDOSed or attacked in a way that we could prove to the VPS: https://i.gyazo.com/2cb1528a3f62b2c4fd80046e69787503.png) anyway as to try to help him recover the money and sustain a good personal relationship that way.
Screenshot initial agreement on previously discussed terms:
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Proof of screenshot:
https://i.gyazo.com/c1ab87341734af0d635843bf66a9e515.png

This was then clarified by Probemas as being a final reimbursement to end our partnership:
https://i.gyazo.com/5a3f93b9fca02fbc673febe367626f5b.png
Proof of screenshot:
https://i.gyazo.com/807b3dc8d25a685d608d699e2130f9ca.png

So we would continue working for 4 days
https://i.gyazo.com/917defc3f982b0ac60a762a74d3e10a2.png

As we did, every day we were paid out as seemingly Probemas agreed to this final deal we made, where the police report was not included as a contingency though I will say I mentioned looking into it for him.

I did bring it up with iZinC but to him it wasn't worth the effort as he was busy at the time and as we knew and know still the password leaked either through Probemas his staff or through Probemas himself as the password was only shared from the server into the discord chat between me and Probemas, of which we expect his staff to be to blame, now we cannot prove this but as explained above we have good reasons to believe so and in our biased opinion even better reasons to believe it was not leaked through our end.

Probemas kept paying us out for the following 3 days as promised & clearly not pushing on their false contingency of a required police report, shown here:
https://i.gyazo.com/2822552d1046dc7b26154957ddedc2dc.png
https://i.gyazo.com/7123d8744ae83d18c8c7d309320fdc91.png
https://i.gyazo.com/3f591ea1aa3e7c4b3ac44de83e4521f8.png

Now on the final day of these 4 days Probemas refused to pay out $1009 which he agreed he owes BigBoiBets and therefore he is withholding money from BigBoiBets and essentially blackmailing us on a unfortified contingency which is not even related to the agreement of 4 days of payments made to us.
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Proof of screenshot:
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Essentially we received a DNT over the accusation of not filing a police report as part of an agreement, which is what we deem unfair treatment and we believe for these reasons Probemas should receive a DNT for confirming to withhold $1009 in funds unrelated to the agreement discussed in this post and that our DNT is removed under lack of evidence or reasoning.

We would like another staff member to review our request for the change in DNT status for both parties as we have now provided evidence of no such agreement for a police report which our DNT was based on, whereas Probemas clearly has been refusing to pay us money owed.

And as promised here is a full timeline providing all the logs relevant to the event, censored where necessary, to provide all context necessary:
Sugaray/Helper Scam Timeline

 

I want proof they were made clear. How is one party covering ALL the damages fair?

@Probemas to pay the entire incident? You agreed to file a report, therefore you will need to do it for @Probemas.

Wasn't worth the effort? $7000 of money that isn't yours isn't worth the effort? Pretty ridiculous IMO.

I'll have every staff member on the team to post their opinion if you want me too.

Four things I want from answered from you @BigBoiBets

1. An explanation of why you and your team are negligent and careless enough to not file a report, or cooperate with @Probemas to helping him find justice.
2. Why your security is so low on a "business" that anyone could be at fault, and at this point you pointing the finger is not how this is going to work.
3. I want full proof it was @Probemas or a @Probemas employee that is responsible for the funds, because if it is not you are responsible for a refund to @Probemas until you get it figured out. Because as of right now, how do we know it wasn't you and your team that pulled this scam off?
4. Why wasn't @Probemas allowed to change the password, and if he was can I see chat log proof of you allowing him to?

 

I have been told that BBB wants another staff member aside from Champ to take over this report. Unless you have a good reason why this is necessary, Champ is not biased so this will not be necessary.

 

You don't get to decide who works on your case. Probemas requested Video and Shin not be involved, but we aren't obligated to honor that and we aren't obligated to honor your request either. Staff are staff because we can trust them to handle difficult matters without bias.

But for the record I'm in agreement with @Champ and how he's handling the case.

 

@BigBoiBets any update on what champ requested from you above? You have had plenty of time to respond.

 

@BigBoiBets If what has been asked is not provided in 24 hours, you will be permanently banned for scamming.

 

To those seeking the truth,

Bigboibets.com and Probemas began forming an agreement on the 3rd of August, stating Probemas would cover the 10.822B 07 gp or $7359 stolen through a cashier account that they managed. This agreement was then accepted by both parties on August 17th which also stated Probemas and BigBoiBets would cut their partnership after 4 more days of cashier services. On their final day, August 21st*, Probemas declined to fulfill this agreement on his end and refrained from paying us the $1009 he owed. Probemas is now, with the help of a 3rd party: Sythe, or the representative therefor, @Champ, arguing for a breaking of the two agreements us and them made completely outside the scope of Sythe.

Our cashier agreement that would have our bookkeeping at $1009 in debt from Probemas to BigBoiBets settled which is perfectly documented and agreed upon in this very thread. From the start of this dispute we have provided evidence of our agreements and a lack of Probemas’ adherence to them while we are the only party to have been DNT’d simply because we weren’t the party to first bring this to the third uninvolved party, Sythe. The Sythe representative dealing with this dispute has seemingly overlooked our most crucial post, which proved Probemas would A. Cover the $7359 in full, not contingent on any police report. B. Continue running our cashier services for 4 days and paying us the results of them.

This thread has presented itself as a one-sided argument with a predetermined outcome, where any evidence presented by us is overlooked, with that we hereby cease to entertain this pointless “report”.

We will continue to serve our ever growing community of freeplayers, gambling enthusiasts and plethora of professional poker players where we will serve with integrity and fairness as we have done since August 13 2013. Contrary to what Probemas and Sythe make us out to be, we are a legitimate company offering our services under the license found here: plusEV Limited - Gaming Curacao

Regardless of this report and its outcome, we will still provide Probemas with assistance in their contact with the VPS externally from Sythe, if they so wish.

*We stand fully by our last made post in this thread and we would kindly refer you to that post within the context of all prior posts if you seek to use your own judgement in creating an opinion about this thread.

We wish the best to @Probemas in their future ventures and we'd like to thank you for reading this post in full.

 

Can you stop worrying about your own gain, and actually respond to the appropriate questions asked?

Predetermined outcome? That is why I have gave you a solid week to provide proof / answers to my questions, and you have yet to do that. One-sided? Only one side is cooperating and that is the @Probemas team, your team has yet to respond / provide logs that they're responsible. So therefore, until you provide what has been asked, you are going to be banned for scamming.

First of all, you have ignored every question I have asked to prove that you're not involved with scamming / setting this up for your own personal gain. You can provide a false statement all you want, and play the "guilt" game, but this is a public post, and your lack of cooperation, and responsibility is clearly shown. Do not reply again releasing a statement about this and that, all of that is irrelevant. I personally do not care how long you have been in business, that's not the point. If you reply again acting oblivious to the questions below, you will be permanently banned for scamming. This is your FINAL warning.

 

User has been permanently banned, feel free to post a dispute when you have the full answers to my questions.

@Probemas Sorry for your loss.