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Beast's ban and bondholder status revoked wrongfully

Discussion in 'Dispute Forum Archive' started by Beasty, Jan 9, 2021.

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  1. Beasty

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    Beast's ban and bondholder status revoked wrongfully

    Hello Staff!
    I would like to apologize for my actions and having to deal with this report. Also for my poor grammar, and writing skills.

    However, my ban reason along with my bondholder title being revoked was poorly handled and should be reassessed after reading the following information I'm presenting you with.

    Firstly, I was scammed by said user Lev518 for the amount of $278
    1. Lev contacted me for btc for Zelle. He did not mention where it was coming from, until I asked.
    Why did i ask? because generally I do not accept Zelle to swap, unless I have done enough previous transactions to the point where I feel comfortable.
    2. Lev vouches for the money with his initial proposal to me accepting Zelle was "you know im good for it lol i never did you dirty even when you sent first".
    At this point he has directly contacted me regarding BTC and has vouched for the payment
    Contacting me + vouching for the Zelle:
    Vouching for the Zelle again:
    3. After vouching for the Zelle, I went ahead with it and told him to send 4 separate payments of $278 each. After each one was confirming he then provided me with BTC addresses to send to.
    Lev providing me BTC addresses:
    Even though the payment was coming from his "irl" friend, lev contacted me, vouched for the Zelle, and provided me the btc addresses to send to. This transaction can be concluded that it was between lev and myself.
    After a few days of no response, but seeing lev hop on discord everyday. I did my research (not against Sythe rules) and I found a profile that I was hoping was his, so i can bring some type of fear to the situation to make him do the right thing
    The profile had mutual last names, so i listed a few first names to him and asked who should i contact.
    His response was that he was okay with me contacted the users and even taunted me to do so by asking me what they reply with. (lmk how it goes)
    seen here:
    11/14 - he acknowledges that he has the money, but decides to come up with an excuse
    No response from 11/14 -> 11/25 he tells me he only has $40 to his name
    Now, we go onto the "Agreed" amount.
    I went ahead and agreed to being paid only $150/287 because at this point I felt that it was my last attempt at being paid back ANY amount. After telling him this, he also acknowledged and said he would try to get me $250
    There must be a DNT or at the minimum a TWC for this.
    It clear as day that the transaction was between Lev and myself, and his poor trading practices led me to being left without money for many weeks, and then skimmed $137.
    This should warrant a DNT or a TWC at the bare minimum.
    I reached out to Gladiator about this, and this is what he had to say.
    Gladiator's argument is that, since he was not sending me the money (even though he Contacted me, Vouched for the Zelle, and Provided me BTC addy's) that he was not responsible because he didn't send me the money.
    This is completely flawed logic.
    For example. I contact @video purchasing 1k btc. I tell video my "Supplier" / "friend" will be sending you money don't worry about I trust me supplier he'll pay you no problem. Here is my addy xxxxxxx. Video sends me the BTC, my supplier decides to scam...
    oh well, not my problem
    Does this make sense? obviously not.
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    Secondly, I did not release any personal information to the public.
    I did not share his name first or last.
    I did not share his families names first or last.
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    Thirdly, Gladiator lying on the reasoning to my ban.
    Gladiator states that "you later edited out"
    1. I did not edit that direct quote out from the post. The post was actually deleted by staff.. for what reason? I do not know.
    AND if i did which I'm 99% sure that I did not edit anything there other than 2 photos that i deleted for evidence. I greatly apologize for that, as I've always been transparent with any situation at hand.
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    I was approved to anti scam Lev for the amount of $287 by @Techie ------------- ps. techie i'm not throwing you under the bus anywhere here, you're just the moderator that responded to me at the time.
    Techie verified my whole chat with lev via screen share and approved an anti
    I told techie i was able to retrieve $150 still, as well as i told him the reasoning to why at the time it was only $150 instead of the full $287 and that reason once again was out of desperation to receive sum instead of none.
    After retrieving $150/287 i was still under the impression that i can still go ahead the remainder, because again the original amount was $287
    Lev needed a swap, i didn't want to do it because i was worried about a chargeback again. After declining I was then added by a random discord account that the only thing in common we had was mutual friends which was lev.
    Which i showed techie and asked if i can anti scam this account if they needed a swap, but as techie explained i wouldn't be able to just outright seize and hold their money unless there was enough conclusive information that connected that discord to lev.
    The account never responded, so it was left at that.
    - I did not contact Lev's family members post receiving $150
    - I did not threaten Lev regarding his college post receiving $150

    The only remark that was made a couple days ago is where i said "i can get you ban from almost every trading platform including runemarket where u are active atm" (btw i meant rune-server)
    This may be seen as a "threat" but this is was in direct messages, and no action was taken upon this comment. WE can all agree things in the spam forum are x1000 worse then this comment.
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    Lastly Sythe rules and my bondholder title + my TOS
    I understand that releasing someone's information to the public without Staff permission is followed with consequences. I understand being a bondholder gives you the "privy" of having potential access to some of the users that use you maybe a glimpse at their "personal information".
    I would like to state that I NEVER released any personal information pertaining to lev. There is no current standing Sythe rule that I broke.
    I would also like to state that with over $12,000 USD in funds processed as a bondholder, there was NEVER any leak of personal information.
    I held that position with professionalism, integrity (ask @Matthew about a recent event regarding bond funds being over credited), and with respect to responsibility of power.
    There have been many users that i've processed their donation and came to find out that they were ban evaders and/or scammers, and not one time as there been a scenario where I've released any type of information that was provided to me by them when using my service as a bondholder.
    I feel that my bondholder position should be reinstated, as this situation at hand did not interfere with any current Sythe ruling as well as did not pertain to any Sythe user that has used my service.
    Regarding my Terms of service if reinstated as bondholder will be changed as I am now aware that they are not compatible with Sythe.org's rules.
    I'm very grateful for the staff here on Sythe.org, as I've chatted with many of you and appreciate your dedicated time to the volunteer position of staff.
    Please read what I wrote and the information I provided as i feel the ruling was unjust, and ruled out too quickly.
    Thank you, and please reach out to me on discord if any of you have any questions.

    Discord: Beast#9999
    Uid: 177634434244280320
     
  2. beastiee

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    Beast's ban and bondholder status revoked wrongfully

    This doesn't need to be merged into the report as its already quite lengthy, but here is some additional information,

    Gladiator stated - [​IMG]
    ^ even though i was "advised" againsn't it, there is no rule on sythe.org that combats my action diretcly. If there is no rules set in place, you can not punish me for doing something that is now considered "extremely damning and severe"
    Here is additonal proof that we were in talks about still being able to anti scam past the agreed amount of $150
    It seems that with these rulings that it was okay for someone to scam, and have no sort of reprecusions.

    In the real world, if you scam or fraud someone you're
    1. most likely going to get beat
    2. in the US "The common law rule is that reasonable nondeadly force may be used in defense of property (some US jurisdictions even allow for the use of deadly force in defense of property, but most do not). If you spot someone trying to steal the stereo from your car, you may use reasonable nondeadly force to stop the crime."
    3. You're taking to court and when found guilty you owe the amount you stole, HUGE court fee's, as well as punished my law.

    With that being said, this being a "online" market, the best way to try and retrieve any of my stolen money was by bringing attention to the people he knew. Which again i've already shown screenshots in the appeal that he was fine with me doing so and even taunted me.

    Video has stated
    After seeing the ruling he went ahead to say
    After i received my $150, i replied to the family member that messaged me back telling them everything was resolved because i didn't want any further problems with him
    You can clearly see, there was no malicious intent on my end. All i wanted was my money back, and i did nothing against sythe TOS to try and retrieve any of my funds back.
     
  3. Beatie

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    Beast's ban and bondholder status revoked wrongfully

    I already added it to the others. However to just put it in simpler terms

    Here is the “explicit” consent to contacting their family members. If I’m being held liable for the rule that states
    ```Disclosure of Others' Personal Information: Posting information such as private emails/MSNs, private Skype accounts, Facebook accounts, addresses, phone numbers, private photos, etc. of someone other than yourself without explicit consent of that person will result in up to a 1 month ban regardless of whether or not the information is publicly available. If a picture was posted by its owner on Discord or Sythe, this rule still applies. In addition, there will be a DNT given which will need to be pardoned for.```
    Even though no personal information was shared.
    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/492737916024651783/797395104175620096/image0.png
     
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    Beast's ban and bondholder status revoked wrongfully

    Hi there,

    The staff team has looked into this situation and discussed it at length, and the ban, bond holder removal, and DNT will remain.

    As @Gladiator explained here, you took these actions against a user without a valid Sythe report or permission from staff to proceed.

    Not to mention you also misused personal information again here: https://www.sythe.org/threads/beast-doxing-me-leaking-personal-information/.

    You'll have to request a pardon once your ban expires should you wish to return. Staff see deleted for additional context.
     
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