Barack Obama on Gun Control.

[Rahul]

1. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
2. He was born in Hawaii.
3. He's Christian not Muslim.

It's apparent you've been brainwashed by Fox news.

Yes he is Christian. But he was NOT born in Hawaii. Family members were asked where he was born and they ALL said different hospitals. Hes obviously not American.

Also under the.. I think the 4th Amendment, we have the right to bear arms. So he doesn't have the power to ban ALL guns.

 

[MatthewGor123]

I've just read through every point and decided to chime in.

Honestly, I think we're in a "bad and worse" situation; if McCain/Palin get elected, we'd be well-off for a few years, but what about in like a year and a half when McCain dies? He's almost 73 as it is, and he's had 4 cancer treatments for skin cancer, he finished 5th from the bottom of his class of 899 at the Naval Academy (wow). But worst of all is Sarah Palin. She's just mentally retarded, end of story. If she's president, we're basically screwed for good.

However, two of Obama's grandparents were practicing Muslims, and his father was raised a Muslim but then became an atheist. He has support from Islamic leaders, who are against the formation of Israel and have caused the deaths of hundreds of innocent Israelis: "During his tenure at the "Woods Fund" Obama was able to direct $40,000 to the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), an organization that considers the founding of Israel to be a catastrophe" - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231.

On top of this, Barack Obama also attented Chicago's Trinity United Church for the past 21 years. Last year, this church awarded a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, who proclaimed that the whites "are potential humans: ", "blue-eyed devils" and Jews are "bloodsuckers". Wow. On top of this, he also praised Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual leader, the same man who once said "America deserved what happened on 9/11, and if it happens again - good for them. God damn America."

Is it possible for a man like this to truly love our country and protect our best interests? I really don't think so - do you? I feel McCain/Palin is the lesser of two evils, simply because of the issue of national security.

 

[LegitNamesCo]

Yes he is Christian. But he was NOT born in Hawaii. Family members were asked where he was born and they ALL said different hospitals. Hes obviously not American.

Also under the.. I think the 4th Amendment, we have the right to bear arms. So he doesn't have the power to ban ALL guns.

2nd amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That means banning ONE type of rifle, is INFRINGING on my right to bear arms.


WA State Constitution, Article 1, Section 24:
The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

That means, I have the right to shoot to kill, ANYONE who enters my home, whom I do not want, if I see fit that he is attacking me. Or perhaps, anyone, anywhere who attacks me.

 

[MatthewGor123]

So LegitNamesCo, how come there are tons of *banned* weapons and artillery in the United States? Huh?

I think you're right in supporting McCain, but for the wrong reason(s).

 

[LegitNamesCo]

So LegitNamesCo, how come there are tons of *banned* weapons and artillery in the United States? Huh?

I think you're right in supporting McCain, but for the wrong reason(s).

Because lawyers twist the 2nd amendment, and then ban firearms.

It's simple to do, actually.

I could say no one needs an AK-47, it's a terrorist weapon, blah blah.
And the ban would be passed, even though its an infringement of my constitutional rights.

Another reason why I want McCain in office:

Argentina is a socialist country, before they were a socialist country they were one of the richest countries in the world.

Now they're one of the poorest.

Why? They taxed heavily onto the higher corporations, they moved out, no jobs.

and yes, the same thing will happen if Obama gets his socialist agenda as president.

 

[Prodigychild]

As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

 

[The Fat Controller]

Another reason why I want McCain in office:

Argentina is a socialist country, before they were a socialist country they were one of the richest countries in the world.

Now they're one of the poorest.

Why? They taxed heavily onto the higher corporations, they moved out, no jobs.

and yes, the same thing will happen if Obama gets his socialist agenda as president.

You don't know what you're talking about. For a start, Argentina is an upper-middle income country, not "one of the poorest".

The Falklands War, the various military dictatorships of the '70s and '80s, and later the Argentinian recession (which began in 1999 after Menem introduced mass privatization) and many other factors have led to massive loss of capital. Conservative economists were in charge when the debts mounted up. You're seriously trying to blame "socialism" for the economic situation?

 

[Skilled Woot]

Wouldn't it be great if someone didn't have to lie about their religion to become president? Of course it would. Will it ever happen? Nope. Why is McCain such a dumbass? Who the hell knows.

I'm sorry to say to you McCain supporters..

He's not going to win.

By the way, theres no proof hes Muslim.

 

[MatthewGor123]

SKilled, Barack Obama is obviously *not* a Muslim. But his father *was* raised a Muslim, until he decided to be an atheist. That being said, Obama obviously does sympathize with Islamic extremists, as I proved in my early point.

And Legit, don't be dumb mate. The second amendment was introduced to protect America from potential tyrannical rule, because taking away the rights to bear arms has almost always been a predecessor to strong dictatorships (Hitler, Kim Jong Il, Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, etc.). It was also to allow self-defense, not to promote violence and animal cruelty...obviously if a person wants to kill somebody, they're not going to worry about breaking a law stating you can't bear arms...

Think logically for a few minutes. You're the one twisting the origins of the second amendment.

 

[Try and run]

If we are without household guns, we will defenseless against those who have illegally gained custody of guns. If you get robbed, you're screwed

 

[thequestionmark]

SKilled, Barack Obama is obviously *not* a Muslim. But his father *was* raised a Muslim, until he decided to be an atheist. That being said, Obama obviously does sympathize with Islamic extremists, as I proved in my early point.

I don't know which is a more ignorant statement. Suggesting that Obama had strong Muslim ties (he was raised as white as it gets) or suggesting that Muslim ties lead to terrorism. Or possibly the oxymoronic contradiction that he was an atheist that went to church(be it a bad reverend or not)?

It's chilling what Christianity and the right wing politics have done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

 

[i noob killer i]

hmm im english but they have banned handguns here which is a shame cus i want to get 1 lol.

 

[arnold swollenpecker]

You have the right to bear arms but the government has the right to constrain the exercise of that right.

 

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Anyone actually trained in gun safety, or even anyone who knew anything about guns would know the three most fundamental rules, all of which were not followed by this police officer.

1. Don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.
2. Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard unless you intend to fire.
3. Don't take off the safety unless you intend to fire.

Cops with guns are more dangerous than citizens with guns.
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[Deacon Frost]

Anyone actually trained in gun safety, or even anyone who knew anything about guns would know the three most fundamental rules, all of which were not followed by this police officer.

1. Don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.
2. Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard unless you intend to fire.
3. Don't take off the safety unless you intend to fire.

Cops with guns are more dangerous than citizens with guns.

I know that just from school :S. Policemen were instructing us on how to properly handle a gun in gun safety month (when we also did how to properly handle a fire hose). We weren't allowed the technology, but that's because we were just being shown, and taught what to do, and what not to do ^.^.

 

[MatthewGor123]

I don't know which is a more ignorant statement. Suggesting that Obama had strong Muslim ties (he was raised as white as it gets) or suggesting that Muslim ties lead to terrorism. Or possibly the oxymoronic contradiction that he was an atheist that went to church(be it a bad reverend or not)?

It's chilling what Christianity and the right wing politics have done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

Did I fucking say that Obama was raised as a fucking Muslim? No. Learn to read. His father was. Fact.

Did I fucking say that Muslim ties lead to terrorism? No. I said he has support from Islamic extremist groups.

1) Leaders of terrorist organizations such as HAMAS voiced their support for him (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2008-05/msg00332.html)
2) It is well established that Barack Obama attended Farrakhan's Million Man March on Washington. Louis Farrakhan also mentioned that Obama "helped lead" this march (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993269/posts)
3) Obama is not only a personal friend of Louis Farrakhan but he also received explicit support for his presidential campaign (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/farrakhan-praises-obama-as-hope-of-entire-world/). Who is Louis Farrakhan? Where should I begin...He is severely racist against whites and extremely antisemetic, praising Hitler and claiming he was a great MAN with great MOTIVATIONS AND ACHIEVEMENTS IN HIS PERSECUTION (http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/farrakhan_own_words.asp).

If that doesn't show extremist Islamic connections, I don't know what the fuck does. So damnit, before you flame me - do some fucking research.


Did I fucking say that he was an atheist? No. I fucking didn't so learn to read. I fucking know he's Christian. As I said WHEN YOU FUCKING QUOTED ME.

 

[thequestionmark]

Did I fucking say that Obama was raised as a fucking Muslim? .

You implied that because of his Dad's religion, he would have sympathies towards terrorism (or radical Muslim groups). ^^

You also degrade him by association, which is just as ignorant and fallacious. A supports B, does NOT mean that B supports A.

 

[MatthewGor123]

You implied that because of his Dad's religion, he would have sympathies towards terrorism (or radical Muslim groups). ^^

You also degrade him by association, which is just as ignorant and fallacious. A supports B, does NOT mean that B supports A.

That's funny. Since obviously Obama *does* support Wright and Farrakhan, seeing as he thinks of one as his mentor (in his book, Wright) and helped one with his Million Man March (in person, Farrakhan) - as well as willingly accepting campaign donations from the latter.

And no, I fucking didn't imply shit about terrorism. I brought up FACTS about how he has sympathies for fucking terrorists. And yes, he does support fucking Hamas because he accepted campaign money from them.

 

[thequestionmark]

And no, I fucking didn't imply shit about terrorism.

"I said he has support from Islamic extremist groups." - extremist groups --> terrorist group. Pretty straight implication imo.

The fact is, people with "speculated" ties to Hamas donated via an online form to Obama's campaign. Last time I checked he denounced his associations with Wright.

You didn't bring up any facts for his sympathies, and even if he did: I don't blame him. Israeli tanks and helicopter strikes are acts of war, but poorly funded Palestinian bombs are suddenly terrorist strikes.

Actually, I don't really give a fuck what you think. McCain's already lost the election, and add that to the fact that both are likely to die sometime during their presidency, I take Biden over a dumbass bitch like Palin anyday.

 

[MatthewGor123]

"I said he has support from Islamic extremist groups." - extremist groups --> terrorist group. Pretty straight implication imo.

The fact is, people with "speculated" ties to Hamas donated via an online form to Obama's campaign. Last time I checked he denounced his associations with Wright.

You didn't bring up any facts for his sympathies, and even if he did: I don't blame him. Israeli tanks and helicopter strikes are acts of war, but poorly funded Palestinian bombs are suddenly terrorist strikes.

Actually, I don't really give a fuck what you think. McCain's already lost the election, and add that to the fact that both are likely to die sometime during their presidency, I take Biden over a dumbass bitch like Palin anyday.

Again, I'm not implying. I'm stating a FACT. And no; read what a high ranking dude from Hamas said about Obama. Fuck man, you're blinding yourself from the truth. Although, you do bring up a good point - McCain will probably die, Obama will probably be assassinated, and you're right that Palin is fucking psycho and Biden is just slightly better. However, the second Obama becomes official president of the US, Israel = FUCKED. White dudes = FUCKED (seriously, he tries to denounce his support for Farrakhan, calling it a one way relationship, but how the fuck can you justify him being a large participant in the Million Dollar March? How can you refute him calling Rev. Wright his leader in his book? Fact of the matter is, you can't.)