Banned from a subsection

[Apith]

Any way it can be changed somehow so it would disable the banned user to read the posts but not be able to post?

I mean we could just log out and read it if we wanted to, no difference except its more of a hassle for anyone on a mobile. Assuming this would be easy to do.

I got banned from the community general for a month, and im almost always on a mobile device. There are some helpful threads there, such as where did name here go. Not to mention when i was first banned i thought it was a joke, because i didnt even notice the section was gone.

Read my post on the 2nd page for a shorter version thats sums up what I was talking about on the first page

 

I thought this is what happened anyways, getting banned from actually viewing important sections like Community General is silly in my eyes.

Support if this idea is possible.

 

[Apith]

I thought this is what happened anyways, getting banned from actually viewing important sections like Community General is silly in my eyes.

Support if this idea is possible.

Yeah, or at least some sort of visual thing you see, that shows you are banned from that section instead of just have it hidden altogether. I mean with the ban reason i was given, i humiliated myself when I assumed it was a joke, simply because I didnt know if it really was gone.

 

[Aurola]

Support, if you can read the posts after logging out, don't see why you shouldn't be able to logged in, although banned from a section.

 

[Moes]

Nope why would Sythe support a ban work around.
Tbh section bans shud be ip related not account related.

 

Nope why would Sythe support a ban work around.
Tbh section bans shud be ip related not account related.

Do you have any reasoning for this?

 

[Moes]

Do you have any reasoning for this?

For supporting ip related section bans? Yes of course. He is obviously misbehaving that's why he is banned from that section. Try to behave and post a dispute.

 

[Apith]

Nope why would Sythe support a ban work around.
Tbh section bans shud be ip related not account related.

For the market, I understand if you cant see the section. But anything else that isnt market related? I mean you could have a thread, you could have an answer, at least being able to pm to answer, which is an example, should be permitted.

Not to mention it sounds more complicated if staff were to hide the section frommthe IP. And theres the part where some people are somewhere away from their home, be it in uni or anywhere else. You cannot hide the section from all of them.

Example
Oh look, johng was recently banned. I am dealing with him in the market, but on skype because it says he is banned. He claims to be banned for a non market related incident, which lets say wasnt true and he scams me by charging back on me as well. Because I couldnt view the thread where did name here go.

Maybe if you told me why people cannot view the section if they are banned from it. So what if I read something in that section? What am I going to do? Flame posters on the thread via pm? Which has its consequences. You should have an answer on why you dont support people being able to view it if they are banned from it.

Edit: So misbehaving could have serious consequences, including possibly letting a user get scammed. I dont believe that was the intention of banning a user from a section. And dont misbehaviors usually end up in infractions and/or possibly temp bans?

 

For supporting ip ban? Yes of course. He is obviously misbehaving that's why he is banned from that section. Try to behave and post a dispute.

What's wrong with allowing him to view the section but not posting in it? Some things are important in Community General.

 

[Moes]

For the market, I understand if you cant see the section. But anything else that isnt market related? I mean you could have a thread, you could have an answer, at least being able to pm to answer, which is an example, should be permitted.

No of course not. That's the whole point of a punishment

Not to mention it sounds more complicated if staff were to hide the section frommthe IP. And theres the part where some people are somewhere away from their home, be it in uni or anywhere else. You cannot hide the section from all of them.

IP ban indeed isn't the best solution to make a specific section invisible to people who are banned from a section. Making the community section only visible for logged in users would be a better solution.

Edit: So misbehaving could have serious consequences, including possibly letting a user get scammed. I dont believe that was the intention of banning a user from a section. And dont misbehaviors usually end up in infractions and/or possibly temp bans?

Probably an admin thought it was necessary to ban you from the community section. Deal with the consequenses. That's your punishment for misbehaving.

And no it doesn't lead into you getting scammed. You can always pm a moderator to ask why somebody was banned.

 

And no it doesn't lead into you getting scammed. You can always pm a moderator to ask why somebody was banned.

Mods aren't always online and when they are they're busy, you could be waiting for hours for an answer. If you're banned from the market section I agree there should be a ban there perm from seeing any content until the ban is lifted, but sections like off topic, community general, should stay open but blocked from posting, there are also some important threads in community general like my skype thread for instance.

 

[Apith]

No of course not. That's the whole point of a punishment

IP ban indeed isn't the best solution to make a specific section invisible to people who are banned from a section. Making the community section only visible for logged in users would be a better solution.

Probably an admin thought it was needed to ban you from the community section. Deal with the consequenses. That's your punishment for misbehaving.

And no it doesn't lead into you getting scammed. You can always pm a moderator to ask why somebody was banned.

Im not on a pc and cant quote properly.

A punishment in the community general that affects market users? You really thought this was the intended idea?

I was banned from that section for a month because in the motm thread, I listed syed in every category. It was merely a popularity contest, obviously not all the past winners were deserving. The rank has little to no significance, its just a show off rank. In fact the reason I was given was for being a fucking idiot via pm. As I said previously i thought it was a joke, it was hidden and I didnt notice it gone. Calling me a fucking idiot instead of telling me the real reason in the first pm, you think that admin at that time would take into account of the possible chain reaction it could cause? I dont know, it looks to me like he was entertaining himself if thats how he would address a sub section ban reason.

So for something as insignificant as that, i deserve to get banned not being able to view the section and possibly make trading harder for me if I still used the market? Does that seem fair to you? Obviously not, which is why it wasnt the intended purpose.

Not sure what you meant by making the community section visible to logged in users.

Moderators have more important things to deal with, they have countless pm's and in the past quite a few of mine went ignored, not by just 1 mod. And they rarely reply soon enough when you do pm them. Should I tell john "can you wait im waiting for a mod to reply to my pm about your ban reason".

In the end you are supporting your answer by what you "assume" an admin thinks. You can ask any admin straight up if this would be in their intentions of banning a user from a section. I "misbehaved" in the motm of the month thread, where it was written in the thread its basically a popularity contest and it had and will always be treated like that. Normally you would have your post deleted, nope a whole month ban from the section. I am not on sythe as often as I was, so I didnt mind the ban, till I realized there were important threads there.

Do you honestly think the admin thought it affects market users when they ban someone from the comm general? May as well ban me from the market if its the intended punishment, instead of making the market riskier for me on purpose which is a pathetic argument if you ask me. In fact a market ban would be safer if this happened more, and it is bound to happen if ken and I both got banned from the section for voting for a popular person.

When the search option was still available to every user, I had 1 spam report on me, it wasnt even serious and didnt warrant an infraction. Ive been on Sythe for 3 years without a single infraction or warning. So before you tell me to deal with the consequences due to misbehavior, get the facts straight before jumping to conclusions.

By the way this is not a dispute, I dont mind waiting it because I am rarely on Sythe.

 

[Syed]

Subreddit bans work this way on reddit, support.

But I did request a ban from the Sand Box so I wouldn't have to read the disgusting filth in that section, and if this is changed, I would be able to see it again which will suck, but I can live with that, that's the lengths I'm willing to go for you Apith.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Nope why would Sythe support a ban work around.
Tbh section bans shud be ip related not account related.

That is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Lets say when he gets the forumban he's posting from a mobile device. That IP will then be banned, and if you IP check some users who frequent on their mobiles, it would also prevent a huge list of other users from seeing the section.

http://www.sythe.org/userlookup.php

When you type in my usernumber '225504' you get matches to loads of users, who have shared the same IP as me at some stage or another (possibly through mobile data etc).

 

[Moes]

That is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Lets say when he gets the forumban he's posting from a mobile device. That IP will then be banned, and if you IP check some users who frequent on their mobiles, it would also prevent a huge list of other users from seeing the section.

http://www.sythe.org/userlookup.php

When you type in my usernumber '225504' you get matches to loads of users, who have shared the same IP as me at some stage or another (possibly through mobile data etc).

Jeez dont take it that seriously. Of course I know that wont work read all my posts in this thread.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

For supporting ip related section bans? Yes of course. He is obviously misbehaving that's why he is banned from that section. Try to behave and post a dispute.

No of course not. That's the whole point of a punishment

IP ban indeed isn't the best solution to make a specific section invisible to people who are banned from a section. Making the community section only visible for logged in users would be a better solution.

Probably an admin thought it was necessary to ban you from the community section. Deal with the consequenses. That's your punishment for misbehaving.

And no it doesn't lead into you getting scammed. You can always pm a moderator to ask why somebody was banned.

Making the community section only visible for logged in users would be a better solution.

Richard said there is never going to be areas that can't be viewed by non-users other than the obvious ones like staff lounge.

Jeez dont take it that seriously. Of course I know that wont work read all my posts in this thread.

Quoted them above and responded.

 

[Moes]

Making the community section only visible for logged in users would be a better solution.

Richard said there is never going to be areas that can't be viewed by non-users other than the obvious ones like staff lounge.



Quoted them above and responded.

Oke great, Richard doesn't want that. Doesn't change my opinion on OP's suggestion.

 

[Apith]

Oke great, Richard doesn't want that. Doesn't change my opinion on OP's suggestion.

Then please give me a better argument than you assuming admin(s) agree with you, that it should be part of the punishment when they give these bans. As if it was taken into account when I was given mine.

But then again I dont have to change your mind, its pointless arguing with someone who refuses to address all the points and weigh the pros and cons. I could still log out and view the threads. Find a solution for that since you wont change your opinion. But will every user think of logging out and back in? What if at one point this gets someone scammed? Your one solution is something richard said would never happen, so how can you be against the suggestion without a solution? You initially came up with a solution to prevent a banned user from reading a section. Now that its gone, you still havent changed your mind nor have given a good alternative solution.

My suggestion was to reduce the hassle it takes to log out just to find 1 thing in the section. Taking into account that not everyone who is section banned would think of logging out to view a thread. If it is easy to implement why not?

 

[Moes]

Then please give me a better argument than you assuming admin(s) agree with you, that it should be part of the punishment when they give these bans. As if it was taken into account when I was given mine.

But then again I dont have to change your mind, its pointless arguing with someone who refuses to address all the points and weigh the pros and cons. I could still log out and view the threads. Find a solution for that since you wont change your opinion. But will every user think of logging out and back in? What if at one point this gets someone scammed? Your one solution is something richard said would never happen, so how can you be against the suggestion without a solution? You initially came up with a solution to prevent a banned user from reading a section. Now that its gone, you still havent changed your mind nor have given a good alternative solution.

My suggestion was to reduce the hassle it takes to log out just to find 1 thing in the section. Taking into account that not everyone who is section banned would think of logging out to view a thread. If it is easy to implement why not?

Why not? Because you are banned in that section.

You keep talking about "everyone who is section banned" and how they can be easy target for scams. I dont believe there are that much people section banned.

I didn't came up with an alternative suggestion because I don't have one other than don't get banned in the community section.

 

[Apith]

Why not? Because you are banned in that section.

You keep talking about "everyone who is section banned" and how they can be easy target for scams. I dont believe there are that much people section banned.

I didn't came up with an alternative suggestion because I don't have one other than don't get banned in the community section.

You were defending your argument of not being able to see the section as a whole, then gave up when your suggestions were shot down. I could still log out and view the section, what does it matter then?

So you are saying I deserve a ban, even though I have a spotless record, because of a popularity contest? The ban could result in endangering me in the market, and getting useful info from the community general. I needed to check it today again actually, but didnt bother, it was something related to UEs for a feedback thread I was posting in. With your persistency I expect you to answer yes without much of an argument. If I got section banned for that petty post, then you will see more section bans in the future.

Ill wait till someone could present a better argument, unless you could stop nitpicking through my posts and give me a proper answer. I continue to justify and expand on my points, and you give me answers like you dont even read it or think about what I say. You are ignoring all the facts, or pick 1 at least to make it look like you arent ignoring the rest, and just saying I deserved it, in fact you have probably done worse than me throughout your time on Sythe. By that sense you shouldn't just get infractions that expire in a month, you should be section banned for several months assuming youve had more than 1 infraction. Id love to compare infractions with you before you tell me it is part of the punishment, when yours werent anywhere as close as harsh. In fact theres people with 5+ pages of infractions, and with all the offenses they commit, they most likely never got temped for infraction accrual. Was there really a punishment for them? Except bragging rights about how many pages they got.

For anyone else that will take the opposite side of the argument, answer me if something I did as petty as that resulted me in a month long section ban, how many more are likely to get one in the future? And what happens when it results in a scam? All we have is time and it could eventually happen in years down the road. And if you still have his side, then please justify how it is fair when all you get are infractions in other sections when it was a post in a popularity thread. So take out punishment out of the argument when worse doesnt usually get punished like this. You take out useful information, not just for the market, but when giving input as I did in another thread. But from here, ill ignore anymore 1 line comment/argument that moe has continued to do. Not worth it when 1 of your posts have much more effort and thought put into it than all of his together.