Arizona Immigration Policy

[wombakage]

KEEP THE FLAMING DOWN

AUSTIN, Texas — Governor Rick Perry says Arizona's tough new illegal immigration law wouldn't be right for Texas.
A new law in Arizona requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally. The law also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally.
Perry said Thursday that such a law would turn law enforcement officers into immigration officials by requiring them to determine immigration status.
He says the extra duty would take law officers "away from their existing law enforcement duties, which are critical to keeping citizens safe."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6982325.html
What do you think about it?

 

[drainingpower]

I don't care too much for it, many of the immigrants in this country are doing many things which others would not do, and if people are ignorant about that then they can go ahead and throw people out (knowing that their ancestors were immigrants too), but they better not be bitching later about how the economy is failing, especially the housing market, many immigrants buy houses and if they deport them, those houses will go up for sale, and who's going to buy them? don't tell me some people will just buy them, no one needs 2+ houses. And yeah, like I mentioned, the jobs? lets find people that put in so much effort doing dirty ass jobs that many people cannot even imagine, even that governor himself. So yeah, basically the world slowly is screwing themselves over, we should be forming peace not making it difficult for others in the world. They are treating other people like garbage. Back in Europe, they let immigrants in and out of their countries, yet, I don't see any conflict there, it actually benefits the countries and people that live off tourism and things like that, but yeah, like I said, the world is screwing itself over instead of forming peace, and as far as I know, this isn't forming any sort of agreement or peace or anything among other people, just forming more and more of a conflict, and one day it will cross the line, probably.

 

[wombakage]

I don't care too much for it, many of the immigrants in this country are doing many things which others would not do, and if people are ignorant about that then they can go ahead and throw people out (knowing that their ancestors were immigrants too), but they better not be bitching later about how the economy is failing, especially the housing market, many immigrants buy houses and if they deport them, those houses will go up for sale, and who's going to buy them? don't tell me some people will just buy them, no one needs 2+ houses. And yeah, like I mentioned, the jobs? lets find people that put in so much effort doing dirty ass jobs that many people cannot even imagine, even that governor himself. So yeah, basically the world slowly is screwing themselves over, we should be forming peace not making it difficult for others in the world. They are treating other people like garbage. Back in Europe, they let immigrants in and out of their countries, yet, I don't see any conflict there, it actually benefits the countries and people that live off tourism and things like that, but yeah, like I said, the world is screwing itself over instead of forming peace, and as far as I know, this isn't forming any sort of agreement or peace or anything among other people, just forming more and more of a conflict, and one day it will cross the line, probably.

That didn't really make much sense. I'm talking about possible racial profiling of minorities. Having immigrants carry around papers all the time sounds like how freed slaves were treated.

 

[drainingpower]

That didn't really make much sense. I'm talking about possible racial profiling of minorities. Having immigrants carry around papers all the time sounds like how freed slaves were treated.

You are right about that. I agree.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm glad that they can now lock up those beaners! They come to our county illegally and suck off the government. They turn every city they envade into shit.

Have you been to home depo or low's lately? They swarm the places like dirty roaches. I hope that one day we can shoot them then send them back to their shit hole of a country.

I live in Las Vegas where it is nice.... Now these mexicans are evading like roaches and messing shit up.

I support this law and more like it. It's time to clean this country up.

 

I'm glad that they can now lock up those beaners! They come to our county illegally and suck off the government. They turn every city they envade into shit.

Have you been to home depo or low's lately? They swarm the places like dirty roaches. I hope that one day we can shoot them then send them back to their shit hole of a country.

I live in Las Vegas where it is nice.... Now these mexicans are evading like roaches and messing shit up.

I support this law and more like it. It's time to clean this country up.

They aren't all Mexicans. Ignorant piece of shit.

 

[The Last Stand]

They aren't all Mexicans. Ignorant piece of shit.

If these mexicans go back to mexico.... I promise you we wouldn't have this problem.

Sources: Well-fare office. Home Depo, Low's, Trashy neighborhoods.

 

If these mexicans go back to mexico.... I promise you we wouldn't have this problem.

Sources: Well-fare office. Home Depo, Low's, Trashy neighborhoods.

Go back to what? Living in a shithole?

 

[The Last Stand]

Go back to what? Living in a shithole?

They should fix their own country up instead of coming to our country and ass raping it.

I can understand why they pass this law. Why the hell should they get the same benefits that LEGAL americans get? If they want to live here they should get citizenship and contribute to the country.

Mexicans come to this country...fuck it up.... whine bitch and moan that they don't get the same rights as we do? BECOME A FUCKING CITIZEN! AND GET A JOB INSTEAD OF PUTTING A STRAIN ON THE GOVERNMENT!

 

They should fix their own country up instead of coming to our country and ass raping it.

I can understand why they pass this law. Why the hell should they get the same benefits that LEGAL americans get? If they want to live here they should get citizenship and contribute to the country.

Mexicans come to this country...fuck it up.... whine bitch and moan that they don't get the same rights as we do? BECOME A FUCKING CITIZEN! AND GET A JOB INSTEAD OF PUTTING A STRAIN ON THE GOVERNMENT!

Do you know how long it takes to become a citizen? Want me to find you a nice chart?

 

[The Riddler_]

A Latino man arrested for being an illegal alien when he only didn't have identification on his person. More discrimination a'commin'.

 

[The Riddler_]

The bill is essentially a legalization of profiling for those who hold a badge and loft a gun.

Do you think the law will be repealed? Or do you suppose a few more states will follow suit?

I don't believe any states would follow this bill, but I do not think it will fizzle out for quite some time.



Also, 2000th post! Grand Master

 

[FireZ]

Why don't we just secure the damn border like we should have in the first place.

 

Why don't we just secure the damn border like we should have in the first place.

It's not your property.

By what right do you stop individuals moving through common land?

 

[FireZ]

I am talking about the U.S./Mexico border. (which I think you know, just making sure)

I see your point.


I will say profiling is very hard not to do but that doesn't make it right.

The states, southwestern especially need to do something to help handle illegal immigration. There are ways of going about this without profiling every person on the street.

My point with the border was to secure it there and then you won't have this problem on the streets. Stop the problem at the cause.

My argument for whether we can control who goes about common land is that there are 2 ways to go about it. The legal way and the illegal way. You want in the U.S.? Cool, more power to you, c'mon over, just do it legally. That is all I request.

Looking forward to responses.

 

The states, southwestern especially need to do something to help handle illegal immigration. There are ways of going about this without profiling every person on the street.

Who, specifically, needs to do something? Which individuals do you propose should act against which other individuals, and for what reason?

My argument for whether we can control who goes about common land is that there are 2 ways to go about it. The legal way and the illegal way.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point.

If I own a piece of property, I may erect a fence on my property such that your trespassing is physically impeded, and I need not deal with it in any other manner. This much is perfectly fine.

There also exists something called "common land" or "the commons" which is land held in common, and usually not even by law, but by the emergent order of things. Examples are unpaved thoroughfares, patches of wilderness, creeks and rivers to a small degree, and of course all the major oceans of the world.

The above two are the only two forms of physical real-estate that a common-law based court will recognize as belonging or not-belonging to any individual who asks.

So this idea of "closing the border" is similar to erecting a fence, except you don't own the property that the fence is to go on. So either it will be on someone else's private property, or it will be in the common land.

In the case of erecting a fence on someone else's property, well just try do that right now in your neighbour's yard and see what they think of that. It's not your property and therefore you have no right to put a fence there.

In the case of erecting a fence in the commons, you might do this via the homesteading principle, but if you leave it abandoned then someone else might equally come and take it down. However if you build an obstacle such as you propose, then put armed guards all over it, who will shoot innocent people and impede their right of travel across the commons, then this is public nuisance and murder. If you tried to do this in the middle of a US city you would be arrested for the activity.

So as you can see the concept makes no sense in the real basis of law. Even if one were to pretend the constitution was a valid contract (one which was only witnessed and never signed) and that the individuals doing business as "the united states government" were a valid party to said contract, and that you were a valid party to that contract, that still doesn't give any such party the right to erect structures on land belonging to third parties nor, in any case whatever, to cause public nuisance and to shoot and to murder people for exercising their legal right of travel.


Just to illustrate this point further. I can make a map of the continent you live on and draw lines all over it without your consent -- which is all "the government" has done.
But having done this, have I now gained the right to "secure the boarder"? Can I just build a fence through your property to keep the individuals who live in Slovekistan out of RockyVII?

Example:

 

[FireZ]

So as you can see the concept makes no sense in the real basis of law. Even if one were to pretend the constitution was a valid contract (one which was only witnessed and never signed) and that the individuals doing business as "the united states government" were a valid party to said contract, and that you were a valid party to that contract, that still doesn't give any such party the right to erect structures land belonging to third parties nor, in any case whatever, to cause public nuisance and to shoot and to murder people for exercising their legal right of travel.

I read the whole thing a few times and this last paragraph sums it all up well.


The one thing Sythe that you seem to do is to make people actually "think" after they type. I mean obviously I've thought about what I type but its giving a different view and new things to think about. And to do it civilly, even though you rep this website the most, is really good.

When I reply to a lot of people I am....be back later @ work!

 

[wombakage]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/us/23smuggle.html

Also El Salvador and Guatamala have large amounts of illegal imigrants coming into the country. Also through miama people from Cuba.


We need to think "How does someone look like an illegal immigrant". By our own stereotypes.


This bill shows the ignorance and bigotry of Arizona

 

[The Grim Reaper]

This bill shows the ignorance and bigotry of Arizona

Who do you think are the illegals? Sometimes racial profiling needs to be done. You're not going to see a white/black guy walking around here illegally anytime soon. Who do you think are the majority of the illegals?

I support this law. Why? Because it needs to be dealt with. Normal people spend 3-5 years becoming citizens of the U.S. This illegals need to go through the process like everyone else or go back to their respective countries.

 

[wombakage]

Who do you think are the illegals? Sometimes racial profiling needs to be done. You're not going to see a white/black guy walking around here illegally anytime soon.

#1 Racial Profiling never "Needs to be done".


#2 Okay how about this, A white woman moves to mexico and marries a Latino
They have a child with pale skin. He has an english accent. He decides that where he lives sucks and goes into the USA illegally. Nobody expects him. Say you have a Dominican Family living in cuba. They decide to immigrate illegally. They are black so people don't think they are illegal immigrants. Say you have people from puetro rico. They are citizens but speak minimal spanish. They are arrested in arizona and shit goes down, but they don't understand english. BUT THEY ARE LEGAL. Over 90% of all latinos in Arizona are here legally, not very effective imo if 1/10 people arrested will be illegal.