Arcus gender discrimination?

[JSand]

@Panda Arcus, as a business can not discriminate based on gender.

Arcus Gold.

Isn't that illegal?

 

[JSand]

@Sythe gimme legal jargon

 

[JSand]

Free market mate.

What does a free market have to do with discrimination?

 

[JSand]

I was answering your question.

A free market doesn't mean it's not illegal.

 

[Sythe]

@Panda Arcus, as a business can not discriminate based on gender.

Arcus Gold.

Isn't that illegal?

Depends on jurisdiction

Normally the reason isn’t disclosed as it can become illegal when disclosed. If refusing to serve someone for an undisclosed reason this is generally not illegal.

 

[JSand]

Depends on jurisdiction

Normally the reason isn’t disclosed as it can become illegal when disclosed. If refusing to serve someone for an undisclosed reason this is generally not illegal.

I'm not sure where Arcus is, so it is illegal if he's let's say, in the US?

 

[Sythe]

I'm not sure where Arcus is, so it is illegal if he's let's say, in the US?

Depends on state I think

 

[JSand]

Depends on state I think

USA has federal anti discrimination laws that include discrimination based on sex.

I think you should ban Arcus and force him to pay all women reparations.

What say you?

 

[Sythe]

I’d also point out most of those anti discrimination laws are written with a loophole so that for example insurance companies can reasonably rely on statistical categories. Like for example if you’re black you have a higher risk of heart disease.

In this case if Arcus can reasonably show that the fraud risk posed by people identifying as women when purchasing his services is higher— then it probably wouldn’t be illegal to block these users for reason of higher fraud risk. Anti discrimination legislation usually refers only to cases where the “discrimination” attribute is the sole reason and there is no objective basis for the discrimination

 

[Sythe]

USA has federal anti discrimination laws that include discrimination based on sex.

I think you should ban Arcus and force him to pay all women reparations.

What say you?

Personally? I think he’s entitled to discriminate against whomever he pleases. Anti discrimination acts are terrible legislation. I’m certainly not going to be enforcing them.

 

[JSand]

According to his terms and conditions he's registered in Canada.

Canada has pretty much the same anti discrimination laws that the US has. Heh

The law actually has very specific outline stating it's illegal to discriminate in the provision of goods or services based on gender or to differentiate adversely in relation to an individual.

But, this is RSGP and the lady can take her business elsewhere

 

[Dunworry]

Personally? I think he’s entitled to discriminate against whomever he pleases. Anti discrimination acts are terrible legislation. I’m certainly not going to be enforcing them.

why do you say they're terrible legislation?

 

[Sythe]

why do you say they're terrible legislation?

Freedom of association

 

[Pain]

I’d also point out most of those anti discrimination laws are written with a loophole so that for example insurance companies can reasonably rely on statistical categories. Like for example if you’re black you have a higher risk of heart disease.

In this case if Arcus can reasonably show that the fraud risk posed by people identifying as women when purchasing his services is higher— then it probably wouldn’t be illegal to block these users for reason of higher fraud risk. Anti discrimination legislation usually refers only to cases where the “discrimination” attribute is the sole reason and there is no objective basis for the discrimination

This is my own sites stance(the bottom part).

We also will not serve women through paypal unless their one of the few I can verify are a real woman.

The fact is 99/100 times its a fake woman or someone committing fraud, I've had (3) cases out of hundreds I've been able to beyond a shadow of a doubt verify the person purchasing is a woman.

By the way that's an actual stat, I have roughly ~300 female ID's on record and I have successfully only proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that 3 are actually real, It wouldn't surprise me a bit if fraud overall most of my issues were coming from these 297 fake/unknown women.

Fact is its bad business to sell runescape gold to women, its nothing about them being women, its about the fraud rate in this industry and how few women are real. Dealing with a (real) woman is fine, their welcome to all they want(I've sold thousands of dollars of gold to those three real women) but the problem is so many are fake that you cant do business with women in this industry because their 99% of the time, fake.

 

[Sythe]

This is my own sites stance(the bottom part).

We also will not serve women through paypal unless their one of the few I can verify are a real woman.

The fact is 99/100 times its a fake woman or someone committing fraud, I've had (3) cases out of hundreds I've been able to beyond a shadow of a doubt verify the person purchasing is a woman.

By the way that's an actual stat, I have roughly ~300 female ID's on record and I have successfully only proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that 3 are actually real, It wouldn't surprise me a bit if fraud overall most of my issues were coming from these 297 fake/unknown women.

Fact is its bad business to sell runescape gold to women, its nothing about them being women, its about the fraud rate in this industry and how few women are real. Dealing with a (real) woman is fine, their welcome to all they want(I've sold thousands of dollars of gold to those three real women) but the problem is so many are fake that you cant do business with women in this industry because their 99% of the time, fake.

That’s what I expected. People rarely discriminate in business due to competition. Normally there is a perfectly reason based explanation. Same deal as the “wage” gap.

 

[JSand]

This is my own sites stance(the bottom part).

We also will not serve women through paypal unless their one of the few I can verify are a real woman.

The fact is 99/100 times its a fake woman or someone committing fraud, I've had (3) cases out of hundreds I've been able to beyond a shadow of a doubt verify the person purchasing is a woman.

By the way that's an actual stat, I have roughly ~300 female ID's on record and I have successfully only proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that 3 are actually real, It wouldn't surprise me a bit if fraud overall most of my issues were coming from these 297 fake/unknown women.

Fact is its bad business to sell runescape gold to women, its nothing about them being women, its about the fraud rate in this industry and how few women are real. Dealing with a (real) woman is fine, their welcome to all they want(I've sold thousands of dollars of gold to those three real women) but the problem is so many are fake that you cant do business with women in this industry because their 99% of the time, fake.

Aren't you in the US?

 

[Pain]

Aren't you in the US?

Yep.

 

[JSand]

Yep.

You realize that's illegal?

Nvm I just realized who I'm talking to, you probably don't care

 

[Pain]

You realize that's illegal?

Nvm I just realized who I'm talking to, you probably don't care

Re-read what I said to Sythe.

I am free to reject any and all business I cannot deem safe, If a woman comes to our company to do business and to buy gold we are fine with that assuming we can actually validate it is a woman and Photo ID documents often don't verify it actually is a woman due to the ease of faking ID in the modern online market.

It is nothing to do with if its a man or woman, it has everything to do with what we can verify and prove and what they can provide to us to prove that.

We refuse to do business with traditionally destructive and risky business prospects, it is nothing to do with women, there's a fundamental difference.

 

[Sythe]

You realize that's illegal?

Nvm I just realized who I'm talking to, you probably don't care

The world has enough white knights already pick another cause