Allow User TOS to Override Sythe Rules in the account market

Suggestion: Allow sellers TOS to trump sythe rules in the RUNESCAPE ACCOUNT MARKET ONLY.

Currently the account market is miserable, sellers are taking ALL of the blame and getting railroaded by buyers, their liable for wealth on account, account recovery's, account punishments, basically if ANYTHING goes wrong the seller is responsible for the monetary cost.

I think sythe should allow sellers TOS to override the rules in the sense that the TOS is actually able to protect the seller, if someone in their TOS says "I am not responsible for recoverys or wealth lost on the account" than buyers should understand what that means and respect that.

Now there is a TON of sellers in the account market- if they don't like a sellers TOS they aren't forced to trade with that seller they can go to a seller with a more reasonable TOS to their liking, this is part of the free market.

The big argument I can see against this is that scammers will put "I'm not liable" in their TOS and just scam constantly but I believe right now that buyers should do their due diligence(which they should be doing anyway) and if done properly then there shouldn't be any problems when buying an account off a seller.

Buyers failing to do due diligence and research when buying an account shouldn't make the seller automatic be liable, that's unfair to the market, the market needs to be balanced.

What's everyone's thoughts? This suggestion would essentially allow account sellers to protect themselves via their TOS similar to how main renting works and will remove some of the liability of the sellers in the account market if they have a solid/proper TOS.

 

This is not going to happen.


No individual market section, let alone peoples opinions on how trades should work is going to override the sythe.org official rules.
I realize how much of a shit show account sales are, but this is hardly a good suggestion to make things better.

 

Account rentals do, RENTAL TOS trump the rules unless its a scam.

Last I checked that's a market section and works fine.

"Not going to happen" when it already has in another market and works fine.

 

To be clear, sellers are almost always not responsible for wealth lost on accounts but they obviously have to be held responsible for recoveries otherwise they can just sell their accounts "for free" without being banned. There's a lot you can say within your ToS as an account seller that doesn't have to break existing sythe rules already

 

I agree wealth isn't a huge one but it does happen(IHQ case example), its sort of at staff discretion currently.

I don't want the TOS to violate sythe rules I just want it to be able to override them if there is a report, TOS trumps rules.

It's one thing to have a TOS violate sythe rules, its another to have the TOS trump them.

Violation= "I own this account I am selling it for $5k usd, if it gets recovered I'm not liable"
Violation: Falls under scamming

TOS TRUMP: I own this account, this account was purchased off the original owner: video, if you purchase this account from me I am not held liable in case of recovery, the orginal owner is.

This isn't violating Sythe rules, its just allowing sythe account sellers(and buyers) to put in their TOS directly where the blame falls and actually have that be the case instead of "person who sold the account is always responsible".

It would help account resellers protect themselves without a huge fear of "man if the OO of that account I resold recovers it I'm fucked" and state directly in their TOS who may be responsible if a recovery occurs or something happens instead of the blame automatically defaulting to the account reseller.

I don't want to allow account scamming or anything similar to it, I just want the TOS of sellers and buyers to actually matter regardless of where sythe rulings/rules are I don't want to allow TOS that violate sythe rules, just TOS that override them.

Hopefully this made sense.

 

Okay let me rephrase, perhaps "let TOS override sythe rules" was a bad way of stating what I'm wanting.

How about "let TOS REPLACE sythe rules"

Let individual sellers list their TOS and buyers can choose whether or not that TOS is acceptable.

Example again:
TOS TRUMP: I own this account, this account was purchased off the original owner: video, if you purchase this account from me I am not held liable in case of recovery, the orginal owner is.

This isn't violating Sythe rules, its just allowing sythe account sellers(and buyers) to put in their TOS directly where the blame falls and actually have that be the case instead of "person who sold the account is always responsible".

Basically I'm trying to allow sellers protect themselves instead of Sythe rulings railroading them, if they state what happens in their TOS, the TOS applies over sythe rules.

The TOS cannot VIOLATE sythe rules like "I'm not liable if the account is scammed" or its an invalid TOS.

The TOS has to abide by Sythes rules but allows the seller to dictate in their TOS where exactly the blame falls instead of sythes rules.

 

I'm not a fan of ToS replacing rules either. As is, we allow quite a bit of flexibility within our rules for people to create a ToS as it is a free market. But outright saying "I'm not responsible for what happens to this account" really isn't acceptable either hypothetically what if the original owner is afk (arcane for example). If you sell an account, you are the one responsible. If you in turn bought that account from someone else then they are responsible to you

 

No support. In my opinion, it'll just allow for more users to get scammed, or if anything, protect buyer from complete and total liability in case of recovery, etc.

 

@Bus369 what about if the rules were to be that you cannot give the recovery information to more than one person that way only one person can be held liable for the account sale? For example, you are the original owner of x account and Billy buys it off of you. But under this new rule you can only give the account information to Billy OR keep it for yourself that way when Billy sells the account to Jimmy and then Jimmy sells the account to Joe and the account is recovered Sythe staff then knows who recovered it or who would be the most likely person who recovered the account (you or billy).

 

As an experienced account trader i can say that everything is fine. The only reason why there are so many scams is because people are too naive thinking they can buy an account for 30% market price from a newcomer and not get scammed. Only change i would personally support is forbidding selling accounts if you're not ORIGINAL OWNER, which is what causes most issues among reputable people.


Also personally to bus:
If you can't take liability for the person whose account you're reselling, it's basically ban evading in my eyes

 

This idea wont be happening, sythe rules will always trump anything else.