Account Recover Scam inquiry

[OliAli]

I would like to know the details if and how it is possible under these circumstances, say for example:

-I sell (or buy) a completely blank account, with no email or security set etc and upon recieving The buyer immediatly changes the username, password, sets up email, authenticator etc, I've heard it is still possible for the seller to recover the account. How can this be?

If the username was changed and the account has a new email that is not known to the seller, how is it they can even begin to recover the account? Also, what information needs to be given to recover the account, in this case there is almost nothing to go on, so how is it scammers are able to reposes their accounts?

I am very interested in this topic as I am considering buying and selling a few accounts but if it truly is that simple to scam, It may not even be worth my time or the risk to bother.

Edit: this is regarding Runescape accounts in case that was not clear.

 

[Maldesto]

The created IP CAN ALWAYS RECOVER THE ACCOUNT. No matter if you've had it for 10+ years, they can still recover. If I create an account for you today, on my home ip, and in 10 years its maxed out with over 5B worth of items/gold on it. I can recover it as hacked, and IF I'm still in the same city/location/ip i will get it back in less than a day.
My advice, is make your own accounts or don't buy from someone you wouldn't trust with 100+M. Just think, if you buy fresh accounts from someone, all he has to do is save the email addresses and in a year recover them all as hacked.

 

[OliAli]

Awful ='{

Thanks for the reply. Definatly not what I wanted to hear, but I guess I know the truth now.

Edit: I had an idea to try track one down locally, meet up at a starbucks/local wifi zone for the exchange, get his name, facebook etc. Hopefully in the years since he's/she's lived in the same city their IP and service provider will have changed a few times, and since we are both accessing from the same town, they wont immediatly grant a claim. Absolute worst case scenario.

Really being paranoid, I can probably judge right away if they'd scam me, and I can track the, down personally if they hack the account back, plus it is as you said, I can Chargeback. that is literally my last hope for an account with Bunny Ears. All I want is to live a little nostalgia, never imagined it would get this complicated.

 

[Mootrucks]

If you plan on buying accounts my biggest tip would be don't buy from newcomers as the sad reality is most of them are here to scam, get banned, and then come back ban evading to do it all over again. As said above, accounts are always recoverable.

 

[OliAli]

Hmmm, I'm going to be doing some extensive testing using one of my own accounts. There must be some method that overrides the "original IP forever has ultimate authority". Perhaps if it is reset recovered enough times, reported as stolen by the original IP, etc, I'm going to try everything I can think of until I find a way it can not just automatically be recovered by the original IP.

Unless Jagex programming mentality really is THAT basic, there must be some way.

 

[rekface]

Hmmm, I'm going to be doing some extensive testing using one of my own accounts. There must be some method that overrides the "original IP forever has ultimate authority". Perhaps if it is reset recovered enough times, reported as stolen by the original IP, etc, I'm going to try everything I can think of until I find a way it can not just automatically be recovered by the original IP.

Unless Jagex programming mentality really is THAT basic, there must be some way.

It's not that it is basic. The thing is, Jagex doesn't want us buying/selling or even sharing accounts period. In their eyes, the original creator is the only owner of the account forever and if they say it was stolen then it was stolen.

 

[Maldesto]

Even if you buy from a trusted user today, there is a big chance eventually that user could scam in 5 years and recover the account. Just remember all the trusted people that scam quit. Better off making an account yourself and then paying people to train it for you.

 

It's not that it is basic. The thing is, Jagex doesn't want us buying/selling or even sharing accounts period. In their eyes, the original creator is the only owner of the account forever and if they say it was stolen then it was stolen.

If you have real life information about seller then you don't need to be original owner to recover it . (Tell jagex you moved city/...). HOWEVER this wouldn't block original owner from recovering it after you've recovered it.

Ps. Im selling accounts check my threads

 

[OliAli]

Unfortunatly the item I am looking for is one that is permanently binded to the account, otherwise I would just buy bonds/gold and avoid this hassle alltogether.

Something involving a Bank Transfer would be the safest method correct? If something goes wrong/the seller scams you and recovers the account, you can get the police involved and since they used a bank/federal service to commit the crime you can charge them with fraud.

I have seen this done However I am not sure if this extends to digital items, but if it does, this would be a good deterant to would be scammers.

 

[Superfluous]

honestly just deal in bitcoin if you want a non-chargebackable method of payment. the police are hardly going to do anything over a $50 fraud claim

 

honestly just deal in bitcoin if you want a non-chargebackable method of payment. the police are hardly going to do anything over a $50 fraud claim

OP is talking about buying an account.

 

[OliAli]

Regardless, I would like more information on the Wire Transfer = Fraud process, I would be willing to pay out of my own pocket, maybe even set up a crowd funded service on this forum, to go after scammers and make them suffer.

 

YouSuckV2 does a pretty good job at catching vaders. Unfortunately it is hard to catch some, as they change their IP, a own dedicated skype, maybe even a proxy, etc. Best you can do is google their skype, skype resolve their ip, and try to dig up past history.

 

[OliAli]

And if we have the scammers identity and Bank Transfer details? I think it should be standard procedure to obtain those pieces of information in any high profile trade. Could we organize and go after them somehow?

Thanks for the replies BTW.

 

And if we have the scammers identity and Bank Transfer details? I think it should be standard procedure to obtain those pieces of information in any high profile trade. Could we organize and go after them somehow?

Thanks for the replies BTW.

I don't think this is going to happen bud. If you look at a thread I have in the suggestions for fixing the Sythe Verified User rank, people discussed how against they are to Sythe storing personal and private information. Where would it be stored? Who would be entrusted with it? How would you secure it? What happens in the event of a security breach? Etc. A thought would good intentions, but not a practical thing that can happen.

However, you can cross reference their paypal with google. See if it links bank to any ban evaders. That is another tactic used to distinguish ban evaders, which YouSuck among many others have done in the past.

 

[OliAli]

I'm talking personally, not part of a Skype enforced system.

 

[deadmou5e]

it can always be recovered by the person that made it on that computer under that IP. as long as you provide that information it can be recovered. selling accounts is always the worst thing i'd imagine.. by the looks of sythe comments it isn't that great here either

 

I'm talking personally, not part of a Skype enforced system.

You lost me. You mean you personally collect everyone's info? Sythe collects everyone info? A group of people collect everyone's info? No idea what you mean bud.

 

[OliAli]

Between buyer and seller, as in we agreed to share our info, and confirmed the details to be true through multiple sources.

I am proposing mutually assured destruction should the seller go rogue.

 

Between buyer and seller, as in we agreed to share our info, and confirmed the details to be true through multiple sources.

I am proposing mutually assured destruction should the seller go rogue.

Mutually assured destruction? Are you meaning like pursuing them through legal means? If so, that's going to be a tough channel through which to re-obtain stolen goods. If you're meaning something else, the way you phrased it makes it sound illegal and possibly even blackhat. I'd advise to stay away from that.

As for confirming details, some goldsellers when receiving pp require you to submit an ID, such as a driver's license or passport. In addition, they may require a picture of you beside that ID with skype chat logs in the background, in order to ensure the ID is the same. People would be wary to submit an ID to someone who does not have a consider amount of trust though.