Ability to change your topic title

[Beav3r]

Make a clue of requested name changes where the mods can accept it or deny it... Sort of a compromise but won't happen because no one wants to spend the time coding it.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

How can you be so sure? Some donors donate $200 or $300 to scam amounts higher than that. For example: Billy Talent.

Ideologically, my argument (a passable argument in law) is strong enough to support this suggestion be implemented for all users. If you want to make it a donator perk, or test it on a select, generally more trusted, few (eg $200+ donators), I have no issue with that. But whether the suggestion should be made a donator perk/what donator level it should be allowed at is more an issue for Sythe/Matthew than an argument for/against the suggestion here.

Potential for abuse.

Yes, people could abuse this. While for the most part people are good, there is a chance that this could be abused.

How could it be abused anymore than posting, creating threads, or editing posts can be abused?

It's fast enough to PM a staff member.

It's faster to be able to change your thread title yourself, and easier for all parties.

Assuming you do have a verification process, the speed at which your title gets changed is already very fast by a simple PM.
Assuming you do not have a verification process, coupled with point 1, you save around a few minutes, big woop.

I agree; a verification process would be pointless and at best equal to the current system.

As for the point of saving the mods time. Moderators volunteer to moderate Sythe.org If changing titles isn't moderating, then something has gone amiss in their mod title.

Your idea of moderating has been created, by and large, by this site. Allowing all members to change titles is allowed on many other sites with stringent moderating and the moderators are respected just the same. This is also not a logical argument, just a personal fear of change (a natural instinct).

 

[cosrob97]

It would make it about 232345 times easier to sell and recover accounts if everybody had this privilege. I can sell a nice 138 for 80m, then edit the original post saying sold. 2 weeks later I would edit the title to say my lvl 122 skilling account, then I would recover my lvl 138 and sell it again.

 

[WeRnIE]

You still need your original post.
So a person who bought it, would need to post the conversation picture.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

It would make it about 232345 times easier to sell and recover accounts if everybody had this privilege. I can sell a nice 138 for 80m, then edit the original post saying sold. 2 weeks later I would edit the title to say my lvl 122 skilling account, then I would recover my lvl 138 and sell it again.

I would say it might be slightly easier to evade mods's suspicions, but it would not allow people to avoid . As staff cannot see previous edits of posts (unless it is on googlecache or a similar system), it is decently easy to resell recovered accounts today. In example:
I sell a level 138. I remove all screenies/info in post once I sell it and write 5char as the entire post. I then recover account two weeks later and sell it again.

Are there two threads that say selling 138 that there wouldn't be with the proposed system? Yes, there are. But if someone did what I just explained, there would be no way to prove the account was recovered except to re-recover the account and screenshot the IP, which can be done under either system.

This falls under my original ideology: If posts can be edited, titles should also be allowed to be edited, as both have the same general benefits and risks.

 

[WeRnIE]

True, well said, you sir are smart.

 

[FibOfAllFibs]

I think it is an inconvenience that we have to wait for a mod to do so. For example, a couple weeks ago I decided to change my free GFX shop to a premium one, due to the huge amount of orders and little amount of time I had to do them. However, there were no mods on at the time that had the privileges to change the topic title. So I PMed FireZ, but in the time it took for it to be changed, I had another 3-4 orders for free signatures, when I no longer wanted to make them.

Had I been able to change the title, people could have known that they were no longer free.

But this is really just an inconvenience, not a real reason to change policy. The account recovery and resale issue would far outweigh this.

 

[Bl0w Ranq]

My opinion is this;
Consider to use it for a while, if it does not work out, permanently remove it.
If it goes well, keep it.
You can not know if it's going to work out without trying.
Wernis said he knows tons of forums where you can change title's, and there never are issues about it.
But don't forget, maybe those a pure chat forums, this is a forum for selling also, that changes everything about this.
If it does not work out, editing your posts should be removed too for the same reason the title's are removed.
But if that is going to happen, everyone will be annoyed, and mad, because people change posts all the time.
I would like to see this on Sythe, and how it works out.

 

[WeRnIE]

These forums where trading forums.
Editing posts will never be stopped.

 

[Bl0w Ranq]

These forums where trading forums.
Editing posts will never be stopped.

You didn't mention those were trading forums, and im happy editing posts will never be removed.
It would be terrible.
I just think they should try it out, and see how it works out.
Thats a better plan then just 'throw it in'.

 

[cosrob97]

I would say it might be slightly easier to evade mods's suspicions, but it would not allow people to avoid . As staff cannot see previous edits of posts (unless it is on googlecache or a similar system), it is decently easy to resell recovered accounts today. In example:
I sell a level 138. I remove all screenies/info in post once I sell it and write 5char as the entire post. I then recover account two weeks later and sell it again.

Are there two threads that say selling 138 that there wouldn't be with the proposed system? Yes, there are. But if someone did what I just explained, there would be no way to prove the account was recovered except to re-recover the account and screenshot the IP, which can be done under either system.

This falls under my original ideology: If posts can be edited, titles should also be allowed to be edited, as both have the same general benefits and risks.

Just saying, Tiger9110 did the same thing you said by removing all the original post once he sold and my report still proved he resold the account (without the use of google cache).

Out of curiosity, have you ever made a report on somebody reselling accounts that you didn't trade with?

 

[ChristmasCracker]

I'd like the idea if it was for donators only (Possibly 25$+)

 

[dorianking]

This falls under my original ideology: If posts can be edited, titles should also be allowed to be edited, as both have the same general benefits and risks.

 

[Bl0w Ranq]

This falls under my original ideology: If posts can be edited, titles should also be allowed to be edited, as both have the same general benefits and risks.

Editing titles, and the risks of it are different from editing posts and the risks of it.
Those two do not have the same benefits and risks.
Risks of title edting are stated above, the example of the accounts.
This is not possible with post editing.

 

[Beav3r]

The "titles" of replies indicate what the title was when the reply was made (unless changed)

 

[malakadang]

How could it be abused anymore than posting, creating threads, or editing posts can be abused?

The only defense for this is those are deemed necessary.
In some forums, editing posts isn't allowed.
Everything has the potential for abuse, however, what is necessary, and what is most likely not to be abused, is at ones discretion.

It's faster to be able to change your thread title yourself, and easier for all parties.

It being faster is irrelevant. It being easier is also irrelevant. What is fast, and what is easy does not necessitate it being the best.
It's faster and easier for people to ban people that have scammed them; that is a preposterous idea.

I agree; a verification process would be pointless and at best equal to the current system.

Agreed.

Your idea of moderating has been created, by and large, by this site. Allowing all members to change titles is allowed on many other sites with stringent moderating and the moderators are respected just the same. This is also not a logical argument, just a personal fear of change (a natural instinct).

It is a logical rebuttal.

Also, as I said, some forums do not allow people to edit their posts. It matters not what other sites do, it matters what this site does.

Your on the side of implementing something, it is up to you to show why it should be implemented.

Saving moderators time is irrelevant, as the time saved is trivial, and they volunteer to do such things.
It being easier is irrelevant.
It being faster is irrelevant.

 

[JohnK]

This has been suggested many times, because of the current version of vBullent Sythe uses, giving normal users the ability to do this gives them every other mod control too. It cannot happen.

 

[Marckiee]

No reason to not implement this as I don't see how it could be abused.

 

[Karl]

This has been suggested and denied before, but thanks nevertheless.

Sorry, but not going to happen.