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he was never made... he just is, its tough to comprehend
 
Alteranz said:
People aren't energy 'Moron'... That's a completely different tangent
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hey there 'moron'.

that guy had a totally valid point. remember E=mc^2?

In physics, mass–energy equivalence is the concept that the mass[1] of a body is a measure of its energy content. What we ordinarily call the mass of a body is always equal to the total energy inside, up to a factor that changes the units.
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- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence

see that? MASS = STUFF, GENIUS!
 
Alteranz said:
People aren't energy 'Moron'... That's a completely different tangent
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Alteranz said:
Actually, the theory of the "big bang" states it happened when a star exploded to put it simply, google it to get a more in-depth explanation...
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I like how you called someone a moron and then make two retarded comments following that.

The theory of the big bang states that before the universe started, there was just a "singularity" that has an infinite density and temperature. This "singularity" then expanded outwards, which was an event we called "the big bang".

The next time you call people morons, make sure YOUR not being a moron. Seriously, calling someone a moron and then saying something stupid in the next two sentences is just ridiculous.

As for your "energy" comment, the guy above me just explained.
 
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i see where everyone is coming from... but if you think about it. GOD must have started sometime..
 
You have 3 options.

1. God doesn't exist.
2. God does exist, but no one actually knows.
3. God doesn't exist.
 
cjmt905 said:
i see where everyone is coming from... but if you think about it. GOD must have started sometime..
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God started when some random guy made up a story to make a new religion and billions of dollars.

God DOES NOT exist.
 
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darth rave said:
God is not bound by time. He was never created. It took a very long time to get that through my head.
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I don't understand why all religious people can say God is not bound by time, but they can't accept the fact that maybe the universe is not bound by time and there is no such thing as a creator of the universe.
 
people are not "energy" entirely, but we have energy and require it.

And everyone's perception of "God" is different. Most people choose to follow the Christian version of "God" because that is the widely accepted and universal image of God. It's all a matter of what we are taught and shown to believe. If you are not shown a "God", how would you perceive him yourself, or would you perceive a God at all?




thank you. for pointing out my error sup3r
thanks for contributing to the thread as well. your post had a ton of information relevant to the topic being discussed.
 
usH said:
the big gang was created out of something fyi..
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Which big gang?

You, stop living. The Big Bang was created out of something, and that comment was posted a long time ago. If you participate in a topic, you participate in the whole thread, not juts the first post.
 
Sup3r 4ut03r said:
God started when some random guy made up a story to make a new religion and billions of dollars.

God DOES NOT exist.
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Define 'exist'?

How can you trust that concepts do not exist as well as you do now?

Theoretically, life is a bunch of 1's and 0's. True and false is all the universe is made up of. It's the fundamentals of existence. So for that thought to exist, the numbers must be coded somewhere, and therefore, God exists within the numbers of life.


Though I am completely, and utterly Atheist, that would certainly disprove your statement :P.

To determine if God was created, how he came into being, etc, you must first define what is God, why is God, how is God, when is God, who is God, and where is God. After that, you can brainstorm a few thoughts, choose the most valid thoughts, then plug your thoughts in. If nothing fits, then there is no answer, as the question was invalid in the first place ;).

^ Yay for 6 steps to problem solving disproving the reality concept of God ^.^.


The Big Bang is a theory that states something as small as an atom simply exploded.

We can speculate several possible causes for how such occurred. My favorite, and personal hypothesis (speculation based on controlled experiments, and common knowledge) is...

In order for something so small to create something as large as the universe, it must not only expand, but reverse. Theoretically, the universe has existed before, in fact, theoretically, several universes exist using the various laws of conservation. So, the matter has always been there, or has come from somewhere else. To think on a level of the fourth dimension, you really limit your concept of life, as you plot everything on a time line, instead of a time circle.

So anyways, in order for something already existing to collapse to such tiny proportions, while retaining all the density in this universe, it must have a central focal of gravitational pull. In fact, the center of the universe :P. So lets figure using Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation. (Since I suck at Math, I'll skip all that, but I'm fantastic at Linear Thinking :P). With this in mind, we figure out the force of the gravitational pull. Since it attracts, and constrains all universal matter, it must be spinning at an epic speed (again, suck at math, one day I'll return to this hypothesis and prove it but..). This speed gives it a force strong enough to pull in tons of universal matter, energy, etc. All through gravity.

So anyways, back to what happened to create the universe, you have this tiny spec collapsing within itself. The amount of density within such is so great that it can barely sustain its momentum... For instance, take a bucket of sand, and begin spinning it in big arm circles. The sand will compress to the bottom of the bucket, and remain... unless one of two things happens:

1. You stop spinning the bucket... or
2. You collide with something.

Lets assume there's nothing else to collide with, except for within itself (it IS the most dense object in the universe atm tbh :P). So, it either stopped spinning, or collided within itself. This caused either a chain reaction, or a reversal in the gravitational force in a matter of milliseconds.

The result was all the matter in the universe expanding, and exploding to such proportions that it's still going.

Now, theoretically... This gravitational pull still exists... but the universe is observed to be rather new... So, what could end up happening is the universe may collapse into nothing more than atom again, and resume its epic spin. Or, it may continue to expand, and matter will be lost to the point that such a force may not be able to re-contract it.

^.^.
 
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"Omnipotence is an attribute which means unlimited in power - without limitations to action. This attribute is paradoxical and can be shown as impossible through the following argument: Question: Can an omnipotent entity, X, create a rock that X can not lift? If yes, then X is not omnipotent; if no, then X is not omnipotent.
Therefore X is not omnipotent. "


"Therefore god is a contradiction, therefore god cannot exist in reality."--Sythe

If God exist to you, then you have your own reality. Being quite odd..

God is a thought at the most, not higher power that exist.


And Deacon, nicely explained =]
 
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run_itsa_charlie said:
I like how you called someone a moron and then make two retarded comments following that.

The theory of the big bang states that before the universe started, there was just a "singularity" that has an infinite density and temperature. This "singularity" then expanded outwards, which was an event we called "the big bang".

The next time you call people morons, make sure YOUR not being a moron. Seriously, calling someone a moron and then saying something stupid in the next two sentences is just ridiculous.

As for your "energy" comment, the guy above me just explained.
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It was a typo mate, I was meant to write atom instead.
And as for YOUR "energy" comment, the formula E=MC^2 relates to how a being HAS energy, not the fact that is IS energy. Maybe I should quote some most probable innacurate information from Wikipedia aswell to prove my point:
In physics, energy is a scalar physical quantity that describes the amount of work that can be performed by a force, an attribute of objects and systems that is subject to a conservation law. Different forms of energy include kinetic, potential, thermal, gravitational, sound, light, elastic, and electromagnetic energy. The forms of energy are often named after a related force.
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I see where all you atheists are coming from and your points against god are very good but there's just one thing I don't understand.

Why won't you believe in god?

God's morals are all good and he teaches to follow the 10 commandments, and to generally help others, so my question is why not believe in God and follow his morals? And if he's not real so what, you lived a great life and will be forever remembered as a kind and loving person, and if he is then bam you just got eternal happiness. You would lose nothing. Why take the risk?

Are you all really that concerned about pride? Is pride going to get you friends, a family and happiness?
Is pride going to get you remembered forever?
Is pride going to help anyone?
 
Partlycloudy said:
I see where all you atheists are coming from and your points against god are very good but there's just one thing I don't understand.

Why won't you believe in god?

God's morals are all good and he teaches to follow the 10 commandments, and to generally help others, so my question is why not believe in God and follow his morals? And if he's not real so what, you lived a great life and will be forever remembered as a kind and loving person, and if he is then bam you just got eternal happiness. You would lose nothing. Why take the risk?

Are you all really that concerned about pride? Is pride going to get you friends, a family and happiness?
Is pride going to get you remembered forever?
Is pride going to help anyone?
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One thing first, just because we do not believe in a God does not mean we dont have morals. It doesnt not mean we wont live life by helping others. What risk? There is none even if we didnt follow some type of morals. The problem is not pride but logic and reason, which many religions fail to sustain for their beliefs. Atheist arent bad people, your post is a insult by generalizing all Atheist by saying we do not live by good morals.
 
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