Please explain

[cosrob97]

Are you sure, because when I viewed it there were 3 members (2 off them invisible though).

Assumed it was you and maybe skele or something

When I edited the thread it said that only 4 people have viewed it, so I assumed that only us knew about it.

How did anybody else know about Mountain Drew? It was never in the report.

 

[Plznate]

Well how did you know about it is the question lol

 

[cosrob97]

Well how did you know about it is the question lol

Detective skills. And Yes, I have proof he is Mountain Drew. But the proof doesn't say he is or refers to Drewskyd but It's so dam obvious if it isn't him I'll shoot myself.

 

[Plznate]

No I saw your proof, it was solid.

 

With respect to the people who have been scammed by the MSN hacker, the normal rule should apply. That is: Tyro (or his supporters) will pay back the amount that was scammed under his name.

But, as I understand it, the people scammed did not ask for PMs before trading, so I would rule that only half the amount is owed.

As for the proof that there was a hacker, it's still under review.

 

[Chriscross23]

With respect to the people who have been scammed by the MSN hacker, the normal rule should apply. That is: Tyro (or his supporters) will pay back the amount that was scammed under his name.

But, as I understand it, the people scammed did not ask for PMs before trading, so I would rule that only half the amount is owed.

As for the proof that there was a hacker, it's still under review.

But then what about unb4nn3ds situation? His MSN was hacked and I don't recall anything being mentioned about only half since no PM was requested...

 

But then what about unb4nn3ds situation? His MSN was hacked and I don't recall anything being mentioned about only half since no PM was requested...

Start a separate dispute.

 

[Chriscross23]

I have no intentions of starting a dispute on behalf of unb4nn3d. I was just curious as to why it wasn't brought up before (or maybe it was in the SL idk).

 

[cosrob97]

No I saw your proof, it was solid.

No, I mean the proof of him being Mountain Drew.

Btw, I actually do think that Drew is gone on holidays and hasn't been on Sythe lately. For the fact of when I was talking about it with Brandon, he didn't believe that he was Mountain Drew. He told me that he would ask him, a few days went past and I asked Brandon again he told me that he hasn't been on.

 

I have no intentions of starting a dispute on behalf of unb4nn3d. I was just curious as to why it wasn't brought up before (or maybe it was in the SL idk).

I didn't make the ruling on unbanned's case, so I don't know what the reasoning behind it was. The SL isn't one track or one focus; not every issue gets to me. Normally a vote of staff is made based on the available evidence. I only step in if there is a continuing dispute about something serious.

 

[Chriscross23]

I didn't make the ruling on unbanned's case, so I don't know what the reasoning behind it was. The SL isn't one track or one focus; not every issue gets to me. Normally a vote of staff is made based on the available evidence. I only step in if there is a continuing dispute about something serious.

Aight thanks.

 

[Styles]

1. Thanks Sythe for communicating with us on the issue and bringing a sense of closure to it.

2. In the future it would be wise to hear both sides of the issue if it is this volital, only having one side (the staff's in this case) does not allow for honest debate. The first person to present their case usually gets the benefit of the doubt until the second person appears and is able to contradict. (not saying this is the case this time). Banning people from being able to address this themselves is a hard call and can give rise to suspicion of wanting to silence their side of the story.

I for one would love more transparency on the part of the staff, and I think they have replied with respect in this thread. Thank You.

 

[Magic Arrow]

With respect to the people who have been scammed by the MSN hacker, the normal rule should apply. That is: Tyro (or his supporters) will pay back the amount that was scammed under his name.

But, as I understand it, the people scammed did not ask for PMs before trading, so I would rule that only half the amount is owed.

As for the proof that there was a hacker, it's still under review.

Contradicting points sir.


I know you all value my expert opinion on these matters so highly, so I'll give it to you.

Detective Marrow's Report:
I can undoubtably say it was staged. My report will be solely on the report Drewskyd made, which should of been subject to more investigation. Now before I go any further, I'd like to say this will be a unbiased, objective report.

Point 1:
Drewskyd was reluctant to do the trade, initially. After bids for 175, 225, and 250 (which he accepted momentarily) Drewskyd stated that he needed "some time to think about it". Regardless of the fact that the person opposite him had gone up $75 more than willingly, Drewskyd, an experienced trader, did not seem to find this a little more suspicious. He obviously knew the person opposite him was going to go up.

Point 2:
After saying he "needed some time", Drewskyd did a 180" backflip and accepting an offer that was only $25 more than the one he need to think over. How come he needed to think over a $250 trade but was more than willing to into $275 straight away

Point 3:
Drewskyd gave the information to the fake Tyro without him even asking for it. This usually happens when somebody is nervous and wants to get the thing over and done with, so to speak.

Point 4:
Drewskyd does not even clarify to make sure the payment will be made through paypal. That's usually the first thing that gets clarified during a trade.

Point 5:
After giving all info, Drewskyd is so comfortable as to leave the trade and wait eight hours to be paid after initially being reluctant.

Point 6:
Drewskyd does not go to sleep for the next 6 minutes, in turn he waits for the fake Tyro to log off, or block him, and then take pictures.

Point 7:
Drewskyd all the while does not ask for a PM.

With the obove points raised, I can conclusively say that the trade was a little more than shady.

Detective Marrow out.

 

Contradicting points sir.
I know you all value my expert opinion on these matters so highly, so I'll give it to you.

Detective Marrow's Report:
I can undoubtably say it was staged. My report will be solely on the report Drewskyd made, which should of been subject to more investigation. Now before I go any further, I'd like to say this will be a unbiased, objective report.

Alright, allow me to clarify.

Assuming it can be proven that the MSN hacker, using Tryo's account, scammed a person, then that person is entitled to compensation. If it can be shown that the person did not ask for a PM or take some extra measure to verify the counter-party's identity (or if the person admits such) then they are only entitled to half of what they lost.

Now if it can be shown there was a conspiracy as you are alleging, then the person was not scammed, but rather is himself attempting to scam via conspiracy.

In future we may make it the case that no PM = no reimbursement.

As to Tyro's actual case, as I said, it is on going. For now we are assuming his innocence based on natural justice and his good character.

 

[Renton]

With respect to the people who have been scammed by the MSN hacker, the normal rule should apply. That is: Tyro (or his supporters) will pay back the amount that was scammed under his name.

But, as I understand it, the people scammed did not ask for PMs before trading, so I would rule that only half the amount is owed.

As for the proof that there was a hacker, it's still under review.

Wait... wait... AH and boom goes the dynamite.

There needs to be an announcement requiring PMs with any mod/omm positions to do any trades, really it would just help prevent scamming assuming their sythe account wasn't hacked as well as their msn.

Edit: What's up with everyone using Sythe's old avatar? I think that was his back in 07 or 08... May be thinking of something else.

 

[Magic Arrow]

Alright, allow me to clarify.

Assuming it can be proven that the MSN hacker, using Tryo's account, scammed a person, then that person is entitled to compensation. If it can be shown that the person did not ask for a PM or take some extra measure to verify the counter-party's identity (or if the person admits such) then they are only entitled to half of what they lost.

Since when did this rule come into place?

As to Tyro's actual case, as I said, it is on going. For now we are assuming his innocence based on natural justice and his good character.

Sorry, I lol'd.

 

Sorry, I lol'd.

I infracted.

 

[LovelyYEWY]

I infracted.

the 1st part of his pst answer plz

 

[Tgump]

the 1st part of his pst answer plz

Owner's privilege.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Sorry, I lol'd.

I infracted.

I sig'ed.

Since when did this rule come into place?

I was also wondering this as when Sythe posted this. I have not seen this rule posted anywhere about no precautionary measures taking place would lead to only half compensation.