What's it worth?

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

What is it actually worth, learning all of this stuff in school just to forget all of it by the time we get out of college? I see no point in doing half the stuff we're required to do, I mean, really. Throughout elementary school we're flooded with random books about nothing and things that we'll never remember, along with projects to only take up time during the summer. Throughout middle school/junior high, we're stuffed with more homework than we can handle, destroying our daily lives and causing so much unnecessary frustration that a lot of us can't handle. Like, in middle school, if we didn't do our homework we'd be forced to stay in the school for another hour. At that time that I would get released from then would be the same time my bus would actual drop me off at my house, me being the last one off the bus. Throughout high school we're flooded with the literary works of people kids don't remember the name of halfway through the semester. Children these days can not be bothered to actually learn anything anymore, it's just like music, lifestyles, and people are confusing them and making them into comp,eatery different people. Not to be funny or anything, but at children's ages right now, they should't be having sex or even know what a vagina is for a guy or a penis is for a girl. These days 12-13 year old kids are losing their virginity because they think it's fun. Nobody is there to teach them what is right and what is wrong for children like them anymore, and parents are too afraid to talk to their kids about what matters. Rap, one genre of music I blame for a lot of this corruption, particularly rappers who rap about sex, drugs, money, and cars and shit like that make kids ink they can get out the easy way and make up retarded poetry to get themselves through life, when in reality that's not really what happens. Society is truly falling apart as we know it. Oh well.

Discuss.

 

What is it actually worth, learning all of this stuff in school just to forget all of it by the time we get out of college?

There is no point. Just memorize it and get it over with.

I see no point in doing half the stuff we're required to do, I mean, really.

Again, there is no point.

These days 12-13 year old kids are losing their virginity because they think it's fun.

No, that's because they don't think about the consequences and then expect sympathy from people when they become pregnant.

Nobody is there to teach them what is right and what is wrong for children like them anymore, and parents are too afraid to talk to their kids about what matters.

Not mine. Some Parents are stupid and don't deserve to have kids yet because most need some growing up to do themselves.

Rap, one genre of music I blame for a lot of this corruption, particularly rappers who rap about sex, drugs, money, and cars and shit like that make kids ink they can get out the easy way and make up retarded poetry to get themselves through life, when in reality that's not really what happens.

I'm guessing you listen to Mainstream "Rap"
Do some research on some underground groups. Rap is actually really good music.

Society is truly falling apart as we know it. Oh well.

You don't have to fall with it.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

There is no point. Just memorize it and get it over with.


Again, there is no point.



No, that's because they don't think about the consequences and then expect sympathy from people when they become pregnant.




Not mine. Some Parents are stupid and don't deserve to have kids yet because most need some growing up to do themselves.



I'm guessing you listen to Mainstream "Rap"
Do some research on some underground groups. Rap is actually really good music.



You don't have to fall with it.

Of course, I was raging when I posted this anyways.

But still, to having no point in memorizing so much stuff, and wasting so much time out of our lives? Why make us do that just so we can maybe continue our lives and only hopefully live an enjoyable life?

Also true, like the Facebook group I saw the other day, "If I was 16 and pregnant', I'd get a slap in the face, not a TV show."

I completely agree with you on the parents thing by the way. Most parents that are raising kids now don't have a clue as what to do if the child's father leaves, they get fired from their job(s), etc, etc.

Also, I don't listen to that mainstream shit, I'm just talking about the first thing that these kids see when they open up iTunes, seeing some top song charts on the Internet, or just something somewhere where these no-talent sad attempts at fast-paced poetry are publicized.

I refuse to.

Sorry for the formatting, but it corresponds in order to what you quoted. I'm on my iPad so I can't do much.

 

But still, to having no point in memorizing so much stuff, and wasting so much time out of our lives? Why make us do that just so we can maybe continue our lives and only hopefully live an enjoyable life?

Alot of reasons but I don't want to go deep into it, but the fact of the matter is, everyone has to

Also, I don't listen to that mainstream shit, I'm just talking about the first thing that these kids see when they open up iTunes, seeing some top song charts on the Internet, or just something somewhere where these no-talent sad attempts at fast-paced poetry are publicized.

Well sadly these kinds of people do exist, but nothing is stopping you from ignoring kids like these, who really won't ever be able to see true talent. So consider yourself lucky

Sorry for the formatting, but it corresponds in order to what you quoted. I'm on my iPad so I can't do much.

All good bro

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Alot of reasons but I don't want to go deep into it, but the fact of the matter is, everyone has to



Well sadly these kinds of people do exist, but nothing is stopping you from ignoring kids like these, who really won't ever be able to see true talent. So consider yourself lucky



All good bro

Thanks for being intelligent Gohan.

It just aggravates me to no end that some of the smartest kids must sit through of what much will be memories soon after completion...

 

Hope this relates to what you're going through


I hate school. With a passion.

I have to get up tired, go off to a big crowded building and have adults who couldn't get a real job spout useless facts at me, which I'm then supposed to memorized and put them on a test, and forget them a few days later.

On top of that, we also have to spend hours at home doing pointless assignments that supplement those useless facts.

Sure, I could just not do homework or pay attention, but I want to do well in life and study something I'm interested in in college, and I won't get into a good one unless I work hard in High School. Insanely hard. I have a high IQ (around 136) but school just doesn't interest me at all.

I have already decided to cheat on tests to make life a little easier, but how can I cheat on homework? Any other tips on making school less horrible and depressing?






To where someone replied:


Public school in America is designed to teach the students one thing:

How to sit down, shut up, and take orders while working for someone else.

Start reading as much as you can in your spare time, son. Read about topics they haven't touched on in your classes, read about things that interest you, take up activities that you excel at and push your limits as far as they will go.

Use your time in school to socialize with the other students. Use that time to teach yourself group dynamics, and learn how to make and maintain friendships and social connections. That's all public primary and secondary education is good for in the USA.

I would also recommend dropping out of high school as early as possible, immediately getting your GED, and relying on test scores to get accepted to a good university in your area if your parents are willing to support that path. You'll potentially save yourself two years of boredom if you are willing to step outside of the box and learn what you need to learn on your own for a bit. The ideal situation would be private school, but if you're on 4chan complaining about this I'm guessing that isn't an option.

Once you've been accepted to a decent university, start building social connections immediately. Professors are often a decent place to start, but if your fields of interest have any professional societies you should probably join them as soon as possible and start making friends.

What you need to keep in mind is that everyone in the system will be telling you to sit down, shut up, and bear it. Ignore them. If you want to excel, you need to step outside of the predefined boundaries and pursue your goals with as much stubborn singlemindedness as you can muster.

Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to become sick of the bullshit and stop learning. Knowledge and schooling are not one and the same.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Hope this relates to what you're going through


I hate school. With a passion.

I have to get up tired, go off to a big crowded building and have adults who couldn't get a real job spout useless facts at me, which I'm then supposed to memorized and put them on a test, and forget them a few days later.

On top of that, we also have to spend hours at home doing pointless assignments that supplement those useless facts.

Sure, I could just not do homework or pay attention, but I want to do well in life and study something I'm interested in in college, and I won't get into a good one unless I work hard in High School. Insanely hard. I have a high IQ (around 136) but school just doesn't interest me at all.

I have already decided to cheat on tests to make life a little easier, but how can I cheat on homework? Any other tips on making school less horrible and depressing?






To where someone replied:


Public school in America is designed to teach the students one thing:

How to sit down, shut up, and take orders while working for someone else.

Start reading as much as you can in your spare time, son. Read about topics they haven't touched on in your classes, read about things that interest you, take up activities that you excel at and push your limits as far as they will go.

Use your time in school to socialize with the other students. Use that time to teach yourself group dynamics, and learn how to make and maintain friendships and social connections. That's all public primary and secondary education is good for in the USA.

I would also recommend dropping out of high school as early as possible, immediately getting your GED, and relying on test scores to get accepted to a good university in your area if your parents are willing to support that path. You'll potentially save yourself two years of boredom if you are willing to step outside of the box and learn what you need to learn on your own for a bit. The ideal situation would be private school, but if you're on 4chan complaining about this I'm guessing that isn't an option.

Once you've been accepted to a decent university, start building social connections immediately. Professors are often a decent place to start, but if your fields of interest have any professional societies you should probably join them as soon as possible and start making friends.

What you need to keep in mind is that everyone in the system will be telling you to sit down, shut up, and bear it. Ignore them. If you want to excel, you need to step outside of the predefined boundaries and pursue your goals with as much stubborn singlemindedness as you can muster.

Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to become sick of the bullshit and stop learning. Knowledge and schooling are not one and the same.

I couldn't have said that better myself. It's completely what I'm talking about. Acknowledging what this man replied, about dropping out of high school: there are good things to come of that and I'm guessing many more bad things. For example, what parent would support that path for their child? It has to be done the government's way to do it, of course.

Reading is something I don't do. Other people are interested in these 1000 page books, and I don't understand how someone can sit through that. After having trouble reading a restaurant menu today, I've understood that I don't have the attention span to actual read a book. Like, I tried to read the simple free Winnie the Pooh book that came with my iPad. I constantly had to go back and check what characters were doing what and overall, what was going on. It just seems like I have to focus all of my energy on the book, just to get through a simple through paragraphs. I find my time being spent more wisely reading blogs about scientific news, new discoveries and new technologies. It's much more interesting than the "Little Bob and the Net" 5-page mini books that they gave us in school. We had to read those and sit through a packet comparing and contrasting details about it, giving them facts from the book, and just generally re-writing the whole book into a neat format so the paper could be thrown away.

The thing is, and the poster of this' and my own problem is that even if you're one of the smartest people to ever walk this planet, if you're in the USA, you have to sit through unnecessary work, for no reason at all other than for the teacher to say "OKAY HAY UR SMART DOOD YOU CANZ GO TO DIS PLACE TO BE MORE SMARTZ AND GET MONEY!!!!!!! LOLOMG". It's all up to the teacher, not your intelligence.

 

[Silent Fang]

Public school in America is designed to teach the students one thing:

How to sit down, shut up, and take orders while working for someone else.

Im have to say you are generalizing "public school in America" too much. The school I currently attend is all about prepping me for college and life ahead(most of the teachers). But I have been in a school where I could say a similar statement to what you said where all they want me to do is sit down, shut up, and take orders. Schooling should be preparing you for the future(hell maby thats they brainwashed into me im only 17) but thats what I try to think about while they teach me useless crap I may never need to remember other than for the test in a few days. Half the time id agree with you though there are some teachers that dont care about their job(ex like you said couldn't get any other job) but the other half their are teachers that are truly passionate about what they do and are trying to prepare you. Okay I feel like im repeating/argueing against myself so im not going to keep going on but yeah i just thought id share my view.

 

[cp]

The whole point of school is to keep kids busy and off the streets. That's just about it.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

The whole point of school is to keep kids busy and off the streets. That's just about it.

But what is happening is kids are getting lazier and lazier as the years go by, to do so much work for nothing at all. They've found out what's been happening, and they now know that it's so much effort and everything for nothing.

 

Im have to say you are generalizing "public school in America" too much. The school I currently attend is all about prepping me for college and life ahead(most of the teachers). But I have been in a school where I could say a similar statement to what you said where all they want me to do is sit down, shut up, and take orders. Schooling should be preparing you for the future(hell maby thats they brainwashed into me im only 17) but thats what I try to think about while they teach me useless crap I may never need to remember other than for the test in a few days. Half the time id agree with you though there are some teachers that dont care about their job(ex like you said couldn't get any other job) but the other half their are teachers that are truly passionate about what they do and are trying to prepare you. Okay I feel like im repeating/argueing against myself so im not going to keep going on but yeah i just thought id share my view.

I got this from somewhere, it's not my opinion.

 

[Travis]

some of it you remember the rest you may not but its good to keep your brain working also some of the stuff while doing it later down the track you may think you've forgotten but doing some of it triggers your brain and you'll remember(not everything though lol)

 

[Silent Fang]

I got this from somewhere, it's not my opinion.

Sorry, misread your post or maby you edited for clarification, got what ur saying now(i dont think i read the entire first half of your post <.<)

 

[MarkM]

What is it actually worth, learning all of this stuff in school just to forget all of it by the time we get out of college?

Stopped reading after that. If you don't remember what you've learned in school then you're a moron.

 

Stopped reading after that. If you don't remember what you've learned in school then you're a moron.

I don't agree with this at all. Do you remember everything your kindergarten teachers taught you?

I hardly remember the stuff I learned last year. My school curriculum moves so fast, there's no time to fully cohere all the information, only memorize it. Because of that, the information is forgotten quickly (inefficient, I know).

 

[Shall Skill]

Whether you actually remember it or not, your brain is developing better because of it. Tyro's post is completely correct.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Whether you actually remember it or not, your brain is developing better because of it. Tyro's post is completely correct.

Whether or not it IS developing our neural networks and developing more advanced brain functions, etc, etc, wouldn't it be much more helpful to teach information that would help people in their life? There's a shit load of stuff that I still remember, like how the Neanderthals lived about 200,000 years ago to 20,000 years ago when the homo sapiens started developing into homo-sapiens, and how they were the first species of hominids to bury their dead, believe in a type of afterlife, etc, etc. But what I want to know is why not teach useful information to students to develop their brains rather than spouting useless facts at them? For example, my brother's school ditched a whole course for business, finance, and how to manage large amounts of money, get ready for managing money in the real world, managing sales and purchases if you ever own a company, etc for another ALGEBRA class, when he was in High School. Now, you know that the finance part of life is a major part that people should learn to know what to do, how to manage, but when the fuck is c87 - x92 + g12231^74 * y98 - (64y + c92) = h4769 going to help students in their life?

It's basically a competition now. Highest test scores, not what's most applicable and useful in life, kids apparently need to know useless skills. It's like having 99 smithing but 1 mining in RuneScape, you can do so much wi this, but you can't do any of it without somebody else because you can't do this. It's just not logical to teach kids these useless facts and skills. Of course, you can learn these skills later, like you can get 99 mining later, but why do it later when you could do it on double xp weekend?

Also:

Stopped reading after that. If you don't remember what you've learned in school then you're a moron.

Get out of my thread. Reported for spamming.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Any true information that develops your brain is good information, whether you remember it or not.

Learning intended to teach you something that you'll remember comes into play when you enter a university and you focus on a single vocation; that's the only time it really matters.

I do agree with you as it matters then, but in... Say history class, they could focus a bit more on the USA and less on Egypt? Maybe less on the 2 months it took my teacher to teach us about Mesopotamia? Some actually interesting facts would keep children from being bored out of their minds when they're at school, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Gurtaton]

I do agree with you as it matters then, but in... Say history class, they could focus a bit more on the USA and less on Egypt? Maybe less on the 2 months it took my teacher to teach us about Mesopotamia? Some actually interesting facts would keep children from being bored out of their minds when they're at school, that's all I'm saying.

History is history. You can't just dump it because you don't like it. Even if you don't find it amusing, some other people might. And who's to say this knowledge won't come in useful some day?

You may not understand its value right now, but you will when you grow older.

 

[Trinity19]

Everything we learn in school is purely a much more vaguely set plane of vision and not very direct.
What it's meant to do is give you all the basic shit for everything so you can decide what you want to take a more focused look on. That way when you go to college you have the basic information for that specific field, and if that doesn't play out very well than you have the basic information for many other things so your not left completely dumbfounded on what to do.

So say you go to school to be history teacher, and things just don't work out. You can either keep trying at that (not a bad choice) or you can look into another profession that you wont be a complete idiot in since you still have the fundamental idea.