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    thats some long ass essay lol
     
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    kinda reminds me about the family guy episode "SMOKE" loooool
     
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    Hmm i see your point. While i respect your views, for me I just would not want to live that long. 60 is enough for me if i even get there. It probably might be the state that im in right now with the whole depression and being bipolar/ADD who knows my views may change but for now I can honestly say I could care less.
     
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    OK. I have been studying cigarettes/nicotine/tobacco for the past TWO WEEKS. Sythe, what you said about Tobbaco being much safer than alcohol is not entirerly true. Cigarettes can kill you just as fast as illegal drugs. It is slightly better than eating tar. Cigarettes contain over 4,000 chemicals and 43 of these are carcinogens. [cancer causing substance]

    Yes, alcohol makes people do stupid things, but smoking imo, is worse. It has MANY MANY MANY side effects such as: Killing off your cilia [easier to get diseases]
    Killing off aveoli[Air sacks in the lungs] That allow you to breathe and function normally.
    Oral cancers
    Receeding gums
    Gum cancer
    Tooth decay
    Ets [Secondhand/sidestream smoke] This is actually more dangorous than a cigarette. sidestream smoke can be inhaled by other non-smokers and have DEVISTATING consiquences.

    For example.
    A woman flight attendant worked on an aiplane serving smoking travelers for about 8 years. She was then diagnosed with lung cancer. Having no other reasons to beleive why she got it, she sued major tobacco companies for 200 million+. She LOST THE USE OF HER RIGHT LUNG. She did nothing wrong.

    Sure a smoker might be able to liive with destroying his own body, but what about others?

    ALSO: smokeless tobacco is 3x more toxic than cigarettes. Cigars 2x.
     
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    @Sleeping:
    On a side note, you obviously don't smoke cigars like you smoke cigarettes.
     
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    Wow, that's amazing. So I suppose that explains the long string of high profile lawsuits against people smoking in public?
    Oh wait, there are no such lawsuits.

    You speak as though smoking is like breathing in asbestos dust. It is not.

    It is frankly absurd to attach more significance to this bad habit than it scientifically warrants. Yes it ruins your airways; That is it causes a disease which is drawn out over some 50 years of your normal life.

    From almost every perspective you cannot tell a smoker of 20 years from any other human being. This is indicative of a non-acute illness.
     
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    First hand smoke over 20-30 years of smoking can cause cancer. You think second hand is worse? Wrong.

    Sythe summed it up rather well actually.
     
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    Keep it going..
     
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    So what one was it? (why did you start in the first place?) I started because i thought it was cool and everyone around me was doing it so it just was something that passed on to me from the family i guess.

    How old were you when you started? i believe 13 maybe 14.

    Any regrets? I regret it 100% im addicted and waste money on smokes almost everyday. I am for sure 100% going to quit in time to come! Its no way to waste money or get cancer!
     
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    This may be a little off-topic, but you can replace everything with Marijuana and get the same outcome. If this is applied, why do so many people have a prejudice opinion on the herb? Is it because of the urban influence, or the government's concern on the few parents who actually smoke pot (again on your argument). This is so true though man.
     
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    Addictions are for the weak willed.

    If you had a reason to quit you could quit.

    I smoked cigs, did painkillers, pot for 3 years and when one of my girlfriends encouraged me to quit I did and it was a little difficult but I was fine, you know what took 5 times as much effort in doing? when I quit caffeine still did but know I decided I need the energy in the morning so I am starting back up but not as much as I was.
     
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    17 years old and never smoked a cig or weed. Don't plan on doing that either, I'd rather spend the money from that crap on my life.
     
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    I've smoked countless cigarettes, black n milds, cigars, and even dipped a few times.

    I quit cig's cause of there taste, without a problem. I go weeks sometimes without any form of tobacco. So what I'm trying to say is, they aren't as addicting as people make them out to be.

    You actually can, you may not die, but I've overdosed on tobacco before and it was not fun. Just mainly throwing up.

    A matter of fact, you can overdose and die off of nicotine gum.
     
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    Exactly how old are you?

    Also, I think I know you from somewhere. Maybe SlashScape lol?
     
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    The study you have linked to only showed that moderate drinking causes the brain to shrink. It makes no claim about cognitive function. I found a study about brain size related to cognitive function in brain shrinkage caused by aging. It showed no corilation between the two. Because the cause of the shrinkage is different, it does not show difinitively the harm caused by this shrinkage. In fact having one or two drinks per day has been shown to be benifitial by many studies. On the other hand I do think that bienge drinking is more harmful socially and healthwise.

    "Sensible drinking also appears to be beneficial in reducing or preventing diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, bone fractures and osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, poor cognition and memory, Parkinson's disease, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, macular degeneration (a major cause of blindness), angina pectoris, duodenal ulcer, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, gallstones, liver disease and poor physical condition in elderly."
    - http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/alcoholandhealth.html

    shrinkage study - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-06/ra-sbb060905.php

    Putting asside the obvious flaws in the evidence you provided for moderate drinking, your argument has little merit. You are just using something you deem more harmful to justifify something else thats bad for you. "Oh look those people are huffing glue now I can feel good about smoking cigarettes instead"

    Furthermore you go on to make several false claims while at the same time chastising others for not providing evidence.

    You can overdose quite easily on nicotine.

    Alcohol is very weakly carcinogenic. Tobbaco has many carcinogens and nicotine itself is even a carcinogen.

    I find your position to be a tough to argue for. You are for the use of tobbaco, as if the benifits outweigh the risks. Smoking is harmful, there is no doubt about that. I agree that people should have the freedom to choose to put whatever they want into there bodies, but i'm not going to enchurage others to smoke. I do not smoke cigarettes, though i do enjoy cigar or hookah every couple months. Starting to smoke regularly is a poor choice that is usually made by someone to nieve to weigh the risks before getting addicted. Once your smoking its very hard to stop and many people who now regret starting are unable to stop to prevent the long term harm it causes. Anything in excess can be a bad thing including cigarettes cigars hookahs alcohol weed exc.
     
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    16 years young.
     
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    That's a strawman. My position is that if you were really concerned about damaging habits, then logically you should go after drinking before smoking. If you fail to go after drinking then your position is inconsistent, and may be classed as prejudice.

    Also, attempting to attack the merits of the medical metrics used to measure brain damage in subjects who suffer due to alcohol consumption is a red herring. Even assuming no long term brain-damage stemming from alcohol consumption, one is still faced with the fact that people have physical accidents after consumption; and that this is not the case with tobacco. That is: to be entirely specific, the leading cause of unnatural death in most western countries is car accidents, and some 50% of these are alcohol related. (http://www.duipictures.com/statisti.htm, and regarding alleged health benefits see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1296731/)

    ... the direct consumption of which is not the topic of discussion, and therefore is completely beside the point.

    I doubt you are aware of this, but as an aside: it was the case before the long-term ill effects of smoking were discovered that doctors were recommending taking up smoking. It was believed to relieve stress and 'burn out' disease. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Doctors_Study

    You will undoubtedly admit that the substance of ethanol is responsible for at least a short term ill health, and the body rejects it utterly, employing its defenses to do so. Therefore, it seems unlikely that any of these alleged health benefits will turn out to be a reality; Certainly the short-term effects do not complement the claimed long-term effects, but rather contradict them, and, although this is not always indicitive of something that is a net negative (e.g. a antibacterial may be bad for you but the disease it kills may be worse), I would speculate that the direction of the evidence points toward this whole "healthy drinking" attitude being another instance of the same "healthy smoking" phenomena, but with respect to alcohol. That is: There is no reason to expect that alcohol would be healthy for your body, it serves only to compromise your immune system and various faculties and waste the body's resources, and therefore it probably isn't healthy in the long term, and the evidence will likely show this as more studies are done.

    However the merits of the exact extent of damage or benefit of the exact amount of ethanol consumption is a debate for another time. For now the above arguments will suffice.

    Feel free to list any claims you think I have made which are false, or anything you want clarification on.

    It seems to me that for the most part you did not read my arguments, because you haven't a clear understanding of what my position is. That is: you are refuting something I did not write. I suggest you go back and reread the arguments before commenting further.

    Further it is worth noting here that I do not support the regulation of _any_ substance. I am merely here illustrating that the pitchfork parade against smoking is nothing more than a popular prejudice of the day, by hanging a lantern on the inconsistency in the prejudice; Namely that smoking is statistically less dangerous than drinking in the mid-term and yet drinking is considered to be acceptable, where smoking is not.
     
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    People do anything they can to try to make this life a little less shitty . I would wrather die at a younger age than normal then have to live in these horrible times. if you still live with your parents you wont understand.
     
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    Started smoking tobacco right before I tried marijuana, To compare these two, I prefer tobacco since it's not as mind twisting and unpredictable as pot. I do not smoke tobacco that much only on some occasions, I used to do it couple days a week, then I would do it weekly, then these weird patterns, and now I haven't smoked for like a month, it's not really THAT addicting for me, but yeah, I would 100% prefer it over marijuana, I'd rather have a healthy state of mind, now don't throw bullshit at me that tobacco is more bad for your mind than marijuana, after a few tries of marijuana I have gotten pretty bad anxiety and other bullshit that bothers me everyday, after tobacco, nah, just bad breath for a day or two. And yes I do know that tobacco is hazardous for your health, I'm not gonna lie, it is dangerous for the lungs, thats why I do not do it often. But meh, at least it's not crack. ;)
     
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    If you do tobacco occasionally like you say, you will get a high... Which isn't called getting high, it's called getting "buzzed," and it can fuck you up.
     
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