$450 discussion with RSCrown

To clarify, this is not a scam report, 5wap did NOT scam!

Involved profile links: RS Crown Malcolm
Amount discussed: $450
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: 5WAP#3653 - 719507967455789107
Proof that it's their Discord:

Explanation of the discussion:

I'm currently admin in the staking server "Elite Ranks", Begin december 5wap sold the server to a guy called Cryalics (Cryalics#6912 - UID: 1060323622058729493).

Cryalics and I made a deal: if I sell him $5k worth of wallet I would get $1k, this deal was from January 1st till January 14th. In the period of January 1st till January 5th I already sold over $3.8k worth of wallet..

Till Cryalics sold the server back to 5wap on the 5th of January.
Since the deal wasnt finished we agreed on him owing me $650 since I was about to complete my part of the deal. He paid me $150 so $500 was left.

During Cryalics his ownership he paid a dev (Named Malcolm: Malcolm#7178 - UID: 216026953130573824) $450 as prepayment for a $900 job which he was going to refund cause the dev said there will be a delay of 1month.

Cryalics asked the dev to refund the $450 and send me the money as replacement for the $500 he owed me.

But 5wap refused the refund cause he says the $450 is now his instead of Cryalics' and he agreed on the dev waiting for 1 month till he can continue his job.

The question now is: Should I get this $450 of the dev or what else should happen?

Sadly our Server got banned, together with my discord account (and 5waps and Cryalics), we all made new accounts so the tags and uid's provided above are valid.

But because this, there is no proof of the actual deal but we are all aware that it happened and this is not the point of the report.

Other relevant screenshots:
A screenshot of Cryalics telling the dev to refund the $450 to me:

A screenshot of Cryalics telling 5wap to give me the $450 refund:

A screenshot of Malcolm offering a refund cause he couldn't complete his job:

We both (5wap and I) agree on what the sythe mods tell us to do.

 

If the above is true @RS Crown ...
You sold the server to someone, who made a deal with wolfie. 650 was promised to wolfie, 150 was paid out. the person you sold the server to ordered some stuff for the server but asked for a refund because the provider said the project would be delayed by a month. the new/(previous) server owner asked the provider to refund the 500 to wolfie because thats what he was owed. so, you bought the server back and pocketed this additional 500... because the person you bought the server back from included this in the deal? or just because you believe that its yours because you bought the server and the money was owed back to the server?

 

Hi @Pirate
Just chiming in here as I am the developer of this. When I knew I was going to be delayed, I offered the refund. Screenshots below.

I am more than happy to provide a refund, however, I was also told in a separate DM that 5WAP (RSCrown) did not want it refunded, but he's not the one who paid. That screenshot is below (convo is somewhat redacted as we talked about other things that we have done business with in the past as well before I received that message. Also, this is a new discord as I believe RSCrown's discord was banned.

Again, I am more than happy to provide the refund as I know that the delay is unexpected and I don't think the customer should have to wait when I gave an original timeline.

 

i just need to know if this was included in the deal or not, if it's an unclaimed project/money and wasn't part of the original agreement to buy back it shouldn't really belong to crown

 

Just let me know if/who to refund and I'm more than happy to do that

 

5WAP: "deal is $x I take on wallets, my wallet counts towards the $x. I get anything related to elite, site, server ect. I get the in game which is roughly 18b rs3 800m 07. I take on the wallets people have and am responsible for them."


Cryalics — 06/01/2023 00:52
Sure

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I already said I do not want a refund and I'm happy for Malcom to continue working. Even if he needs more time. The money paid to Malcom I took into account when me and cryalics agreed on how much I would pay for the server.

I factored in the $450 paid, as well as anything else that was purchased. A new discord gambling bot was purchased, but that is included when I say "I get anything related to elite".

Imagine you own a shop and you then put $500 of your own money in to purchase inventory for the shop, the delivery is from china and there are some delays, it will take 2 weeks longer than you thought. But in that time you sold your shop, the delivery is still on the way, the new owner of the shop has taken the inventory into account when making a deal regarding the price he/she will pay for the shop. The previous owner could not then say "actually cancel that, and let me get my $500 back" to whoever they were buying their merchandise from.

I purchased the server and everything that has been paid for, all of the bots, the discord, the website, everything. Along with that I also took on all of the wallets.

There is probably around 400b rs3 in wallets as debt that I'm taking on. Now I'm more than happy to have wolfie get the $450 if cryalics wants to pay for the current wallets in elite ranks.

 

While I was sleeping, Cryalics mentioned again Malclom to refund me the $450.

Having this said, Cryalics is aware of the Sythe discussion here, but sadly doesn't want to make a Sythe account to get involved in this discussion.

 

And again, I would like to mention that this isn't a scammer report or something!
This is just a discussion we had and we couldn't solve it, thats why we are using Sythe for this.
No dnt's have to be given or something...

Cryalics still claiming the $450 he sent to Malcolm, is his and isn't 5waps.

 

 

I think the question that gets asked/answered here is this:
If the bot was completed at this stage and operating in the server, would you expect to remove the bot from the server when the server was sold?

I'm an accountant full time and if this is treated like selling a business, you sell the balance sheet of that business (assets, liabilities and owners equity), and receivables fall into the category of assets (which is what the bot would be at this point).
Does this get treated the same? I'm not sure, I'm not the mod here

I'm not really sure what's going on with this part of the agreement as it has nothing to do with me:

Since the deal wasnt finished we agreed on him owing me $650 since I was about to complete my part of the deal. He paid me $150 so $500 was left.

But personally, I would think that the $500 would be owed to @Elite Wolfie in some way.
If @RS Crown doesn't want to pay that out then I can of course, send the $450 that I do have to Elite Wolfie and not complete development of the bot.

Also, if @Pirate chooses to rule that the WIP does actually belong to @Elite Wolfie then again, I'll send the $450 back to them.

Just let me know what the ruling is and I'll be sure to send the refund if required.

 

Seeing how this isnt a true report and yal are both just asking for an opinion. It seems like to me that the bot that was supposed to be scrapped wasnt really included with the deal. Did cryalics mention the script when you bought back the discord in anyway, or did you only find out after purchasing the script? Another view could be, did cryalics mention that this debt was owed to wolfie when you purchased the discord?
If you didnt know about the script at all and it was just a bonus 500 you collected, id say refund it. Though... if you did know this was included but didnt know about the debt cryalics should be held liable for the payment.

 

Seeing how this isnt a true report and yal are both just asking for an opinion. It seems like to me that the bot that was supposed to be scrapped wasnt really included with the deal. Did cryalics mention the script when you bought back the discord in anyway, or did you only find out after purchasing the script? Another view could be, did cryalics mention that this debt was owed to wolfie when you purchased the discord?
If you didnt know about the script at all and it was just a bonus 500 you collected, id say refund it. Though... if you did know this was included but didnt know about the debt cryalics should be held liable for the payment.

The bot was never "supposed to be scrapped" Malcom dmed the group chat we were all in after I purchased the server to say it would take longer.

1. 5WAP — 02/12/2022 20:24
   This is the guy that can make the bot @Cryalics
2. [20:24]
   So, this is how it would go:

Above, 2nd of dec is when Cryalics, Malcom and I were in a gc, yes I was aware of the bot, I'm the person that described what it should do.

1. Malcolm — 08/01/2023 07:45
   I think I have to refund this. I’ve had some unexpected shit and I’m going to be moving on the 16th so I have to prepare a move and might not be available for a while after that (depending on when I get internet access etc) I still have a lot of work that id need to do to compete this and instead of dragging this on, I’m just going to offer the refund. Really sorry about this
2. 
   
   5WAP — 08/01/2023 07:46
   whyy
3. [07:46]
   how much did you manage to get done?
4. 
   
   Malcolm — 08/01/2023 07:52
   I haven’t started the osrs script side. I have a wallet type function working as well as commands to add stakes, add funds, withdraw funds and a few other features. There’s still quite a bit of work for me to do and I’d either have to either ask for another month due to the move that I’m going to have to do, or just offer the refund
5. [07:52]
   It’s definitely not ideal for me either because it’s a decent paying job, but again, I don’t want to drag this on for you guys either. I am happy to do it and ask for an extension too but it would be somewhat long and that kinda sucks for you guys too
6. 
   
   5WAP — 08/01/2023 07:52
   You've already started, may as well continue
7. [07:53]
   how long do you estimate?
8. 
   
   Malcolm — 08/01/2023 07:53
   It’s really hard for me to give a good answer because I’m disconnecting everything and will reconnect when I can get a service provider in my new place and I haven’t called to figure out when that is
9. [07:53]
   I can probably give you a better estimate in a couple of days based on when l expect to get services hooked back up
10. 
    
    5WAP — 08/01/2023 08:03
    ok that's fine

" did cryalics mention that this debt was owed to wolfie when you purchased the discord?"

Not to me. I was made aware of this after. The deal cryalics made was "sell 5k in gold get 1k bonus". Once again I didn't know he had made that deal. Wolfie sold 2-3k worth. So the requirements for the deal had not been met.

Another point. I had taken into account the bot Malcom was making when purchasing the server, it had been agreed upon about a month ago. The amount paid for the bot is counted. You could not sell a pizza shop that had a pizza oven you bought 2 weeks ago and then after the sale of the shop get a refund for the oven. The oven is part of the shop.

 

Seeing how this isnt a true report and yal are both just asking for an opinion. It seems like to me that the bot that was supposed to be scrapped wasnt really included with the deal. Did cryalics mention the script when you bought back the discord in anyway, or did you only find out after purchasing the script? Another view could be, did cryalics mention that this debt was owed to wolfie when you purchased the discord?
If you didnt know about the script at all and it was just a bonus 500 you collected, id say refund it. Though... if you did know this was included but didnt know about the debt cryalics should be held liable for the payment.

Cryalics says that the costs of the dev wasn't included in the ownership transfer. That he paid it and that it belongs to him. And since he owes me money, he says that Malcolm should refund the costs and send it to me.

 

Another point. I had taken into account the bot Malcom was making when purchasing the server, it had been agreed upon about a month ago. The amount paid for the bot is counted. You could not sell a pizza shop that had a pizza oven you bought 2 weeks ago and then after the sale of the shop get a refund for the oven. The oven is part of the shop.

If this is what your going by, if a server owes a debt to a customer, or employee and you take over that server it's now your obligation to pay the debt. The original owner made a deal with an employee, and though it wasn't completed, the owner said that they would pay them 'X' amount. The refund should in my personal opinion be paid out to wolfie.

 

@Pirate
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're saying that @RS Crown owes @Elite Wolfie $500 due to being the new owner of the server and taking on the debt.

If that is the case, I'm more than happy to either send the $450 to @Elite Wolfie and @RS Crown would have to send him another $50, or, if @RS Crown doesn't want a refund, he would have to send @Elite Wolfie $500 for the debts of the server.

Can you please confirm that is the ruling?
If that is confirmed, I'll be more than happy to either send the $450 to @Elite Wolfie, or if @RS Crown doesn't want my refund and he want's to pay $500 himself, I think he'd be more than welcome to do that. If @RS Crown doesn't want to pay at all, then I'll hold the funds as an anti and send it anyways.

Just confirm please

 

if the previous server sold the server with a debt to a customer/employee or whatever, the new owner should also gain that debt. though if this was not disclosed the new server owner could also report the previous owner. though this isn't a true scam report, yal are only asking for an opinion. good luck