Searchy

[Zotaku]

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@Searchy, please wait before doing anything. The staff team will discuss this further.

 

I'm going to put the ruling down and explain to the best of my ability, I'm not really up for debating with either party as this has to be the most discussed ruling in the history of the staff team and we have privately discuessed alot.

So I'll start by explaining how Sythe.org works, rulings are based on previous precedent, and we making ruling based off past reports, the same way as a lawyer or a judge would make their ruling. We don't have exact reports to match the current reports, and we have to come up with precedents and try our best to maintain them over time. There have been over 88,800~ reports, and sometimes precedent is lost or misplaced. While everything I just stated isn't relevant to this case, it's enough to explain the next part. We have a very strong precedent that unless trade is specifically agreed in BTC amounts, the trade is valued in dollars, and as seen in the first 2 screen shots in this report, there was no agreement that the trade would be in BTC amounts rather than USD amounts.
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Now, the underlying issue of @Searchy making a deal not being upheld is blatantly unacceptable, and he should have had the gold in place at the time of trade. The only fair solution is to offer the OP two options:

• Keep the money which you were already refunded.
• Return the amount (in USD) $720 and get the gold promised.

 

[Zotaku]

Nice so the precedent is that sellers don't even have to sell gold to make money. They can make fake deals, not deliver over several days while trying to alter the deal, then ultimately lie on the scam report to make money. Great showing. Awesome logic. Hell not even scamming. I might have to become a gold seller, as well. Thanks for the idea.

0.00082121 is $54 dollars so easy money.


Please archive this because I'll link people back to here when I do it.

Your options are also hilarious. Under no circumstance would I reward Searchy by purchasing anything from a rat fuck. Plus with this sort of precedent why would I trust this site to uphold any logical resolution? I've seen over the last couple of weeks, waiting for this sham to finish, where you guys ban scammers for 3 months? The fuck kind of shit is that? You ban them forever.

 

Now, the underlying issue of @Searchy making a deal not being upheld is blatantly unacceptable, and he should have had the gold in place at the time of trade.

I just want to point out that you shouldn't expect gold sellers to always have the gold in stock when a buyer orders gold. Jagex increased their detection system which means holding gold, especially large amounts, is very risky. Most gold sellers no longer consistently hold large amounts of gold in stock (maybe sporadically, but not frequently), especially during the hours where Jagex is likely to be active. It is almost always really easy to find gold to fill orders, unless there's massive ban waves going on.

A lot of (bulk) orders get (partially) outsourced by the majority of gold sellers. We have small margins, which means in the event of e.g. large ban waves and rates spiking 10%+, we can no longer deliver the order. Even though this is very rare, it can still happen. Just because we have low prices and try and give fair prices to everyone, doesn't mean what we do is "blatantly unacceptable". We could just refund the order and everyone can move on

Either way I would like some clarity on whether or not outsourcing trades is allowed, because nothing is stated in the rules about that

And I also don't think there's a rule that we are forced to deliver an order if we accept it? Even though we did offer @Zotaku the gold anyways to make up for the inconvenience that was caused. If there is a rule saying we MUST deliver something after we take payment for it, then I'd like to know

 

[Zotaku]

We could just refund the order and everyone can move on

False. You steal off the top once you botch a deal.

 

I'm going to close this report. I'll also be banning @Zotaku as he posted his password publicly; he can recover his account if he wants to return Account Recovery & Creation

This has been added to the Searchy TWC reason for taking gold and attempting to change the deal after taking money. He can dispute this 30 days of this post.

Previous TWC reason:
https://www.sythe.org/threads/headshot-scamming-4k-refusing-to-pay-out/