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[ProbablyAFK]

Kings TOS violates the account selling section rules, and I never agreed to any "modified" TOS within the chat which they lack the transcript for.

I am requesting a refund due being mislead prior to account purchase, and not agreeing to any modified TOS. Additionally, the TOS are not correctly followed by King to ensure the buyer that King is the one creating these accounts, and his TOS should be corrected to reflect that for the buyer and in order to follow account selling section rules.

I do not have any illness towards King or his staff members. We proactively talked amongst ourselves for the last day, but there is no definitive ground so I am making this so the Sythe staff can delegate us to the conclusion. I was told to wait for the transcript for further discussion, but now @Obbytankacc is unable to provide this or any proof of acceptance to the TOS.

I didn't post pictures of anything yet as the only issue is being refunded not being scammed.

Sythe user - @King - King
Discord - https://discord.gg/kingmmo
Discord user - king2939 - UID - 648252297696116755

Sythe user - @Saintlike Saintlike
Staff - Sainted
Sainted - discord - _sainted_ UID - 175752836347461632

Staff - Griffy
Sythe user - @Obbytankacc Obbytankacc
Discord - griff1581 - UID - 295055164530753536

Total amount spent was 2000M valued at $290, and ($229.92) £160.46 GBP through Paypal - $520 total.

I purchased an account from King under the impression he created all the accounts he was advertising. Even prior to purchasing in the channel. I asked if King created this account himself, in which I was told yes by Griffy. I realized it after the PayPal and the login were similar to Griffys name that he created the account, then I asked King and he confirmed he himself (King) did not create the account. I reached out to King after purchasing seeking a refund after realizing the account was created by his staff and not him, and he told me his "terms stated that they're made in house by King's MMO" I didn't agree to these terms (in writing) nor did I when I joined the server , nor did I understand them. They need to be correctly worded to reflect he is not the sole creator of the accounts he is selling.
I did not agree to the terms of buying an account that was created by anyone other than him, additional I was mislead by the staff member that King was the original creator of the account.

I did ask them to purchase this account back, and I was looking at other accounts that I would have confirmed was created by King to possibly get a credit so we could avoid this whole ordeal, but that was rejected. I did consider selling the account on Sythe myself, but why should I have to do that when I was mislead prior to purchasing. So I spoke with them privately, but nothing was concluded. They told me I had buyers remorse which is not the case as I would not of purchased the account if King was not the original creator.

With the lack of a transcript from the channel, (channel where I was mislead by griffy) there is no proof of acceptance voiding all any potential manually modified TOS within the chat.

King did not make this account, as he stated here.
KingMMO is King. He has the Sythe post under his name. It is his discord and his business. He is the only one advertising this, and it's under his face. Therefore, this would void ALL TOS in that aspect.

Their TOS should be reworded correctly to ensure buyers understand that he is not creating the accounts himself, and to follow the account selling section rules. Additionally, I did ask Griffy if King created this account, and he misled me by telling me yes. However, I asked King after the purchase as I noticed some discrepancies and King confirmed Griffy created it violating his own TOS.

 

@King Please provide the TOS in question along with proof of user accepting these TOS.

 

no bro the automatic saving of tickets wasn't set so only if u clicked on save transcript on the ticket before u deleted it, the transcript will be saved otherwise the ticket transcript will be gone, i didn't set this because the old system had it as to maunally save transcript set so i kept it as it is when i added the new system
and i did the setup for more than 50+ servers, some do keep it as manual and some keep it as automatic, the transcript u mentioned was saved manually by king because he is used to saving it manually, but griff didn't notice that it wasn't saving before deleting the ticket, keep in mind the server just started on 23/06 so only 16 days have passed
and we still setting up things and updating things in the server till now

it says here by creating a ticket in the accounts section u agree to our terms of service so you not reading or going through them is ur problem

 

[Griff]

Hi Kanye,
Thanks for picking up this report thread.

This is clearly a instance of buyers remorse.

As Einstein already mentioned the auto save hadn't been enabled, and wasn't saving transcripts unless it was manually saved. (I wasn't aware this was the case), so have deleted all tickets that have been closed as I would normally thinking they were auto saving. It wasn't until we contacted Einstein to get this ticket transcript that we realised, this has now been rectified.

You can find a video of our TOS here: Screen capture - 571ee5237c178046eb05084d681ffd1e - Gyazo

Our TOS are clear and the buyer would have had chance to read them prior to any purchases were made. The buyer has said in our ticket that he had questions and didn't agree to them, but raised no questions during any point of the purchase.

As Einstein has already posted on any ticket creation method it clearly states that creating a ticket you agree to the linked TOS. We did this following the TOS guidelines made by Sythe.

I've put all ticket creation method screenshots below for reference:
Gold: Screenshot - 3515d323e65167547ec924214ee50f3e - Gyazo
Services: Screenshot - 4b03cd41c8a1eb7355318506bbb61dbe - Gyazo
Accounts: Screenshot - a273034d750a13bc7675d967307d7591 - Gyazo

As I mentioned above this is a clear state of buyers remorse. The customer purchased the account on 29th June 2025 at around midnight GMT.
The buyer has flagged he had concerns at this point.

Yet on the 7th July 2025, opened another account ticket and was looking to purchase yet another account from us!
Proof: Screenshot - 00807776177414bcde9582bdc4c0b7a9 - Gyazo

If he was concerned about the account he had ample time to flag this as a problem and if I personally had any questions or concerns about an account I wouldn't then buy another one from them.

During this conversation the customer said that he would need to sell the HCIM he purchased from us before purchasing another account.
Evidence: Screenshot - 674e417e13dd679e6dd7e6fa562e2cd0 - Gyazo

Yesterday on the 8th July 2025, Clumsy messaged me privately if I was interested in buying back the account from him at a discounted rate prior to listing it on sythe.
Evidence: Screenshot - 1f02535b8d9fc73e4da1b1bead679cc8 - Gyazo

Again, at no point raising any concerns. I was clear in my response that we would not offer a buy back in this instance. He confirmed he understood and again said he would post the account on sythe for sale to recoup his money.

Following that conversation at 2:30am UK time (I was asleep) he messaged King saying he wanted a refund.

This is where his screenshots pick up from.

You can clearly see that for 2 days the customer has attempted to sell the account to us or was going to try to sell it to others due to buyers remorse.

 

[ProbablyAFK]

This is not buyers remorse. This is, I was misled by you into thinking that King created this account himself. I would not have purchased the account if I knew prior that King did not create this account himself.

I was trying to avoid the confrontation and dispute by finding solutions and proposing them to you/King

I actually dmed king afterwards asking him if he made the account because I had some concerns once I realized the PayPal/login were similar. I let some time pass to think on it as I was busy with work & Fourth of July celebration. I did message King 3 days after purchasing the account with concerns.

I reached out to you first prior to to see if could come to an agreement without going through this whole process. I even offered to discount it back to you, and like I said in the original post I was looking through some accounts to see if there would be one I could possibly credit this account towards ensuring that I would ask King himself and deal with him personally this time if he made it.

I considered selling it on Sythe, but never listed it as I would request a refund properly enabling the account is still secure by not listing it publicly. I don't like having disputes with anyone. However, due to being misled in the process of buying the account I don't believe it should be on my end to have to re-sell the account when I was misled initially.

This is what Kayne has requested.

"Please provide the TOS in question along with proof of user accepting these TOS."

You are posting pictures of the TOS, and buttons.

So to be technical, where is the PROOF of me accepting the modified TOS that states King is not the creator as your current TOS does not meet standards per the Sythe account selling guidelines. Additionally, you broke rule #3 by misleading about the original owner and not disclosing this prior to the sale. Where is the transcript of you discussing this modified TOS?

 

[Griff]

You have claimed that you have not agreed to any TOS when opening the ticket. However based on our ticketing system I can prove that you opened a ticket by this page, which clearly complies with Sythe TOS guidance, of you opening a ticket by agreeing to the TOS in KingMMO discord.

When reviewing the discord, we found a way that you could bypass the above page by clicking 'create a ticket here' on the account itself. This would have bypassed you agreeing to the above page.

However, the 'create a ticket' directly on the account and 'create a ticket' on the TOS page are the same button and register the same ticket system.

This is displayed on tickettool under the following: (I am able to give any sythe mod/admin access to our ticket tool to confirm this)
This would mean any tickets opened by 'create a ticket' in either of those sections count towards the same numbers and as such the same number order system.

However! If you click 'request a custom build' on the TOS page it doesn't open the ticket under that above area. It opens it under this tickettool section:

in total 4 tickets have been opened via this method. The first to test the bot was working on the 4th June, 2 on the 29th June and 1 today again me testing.
Screen capture - 794b2ffcfc2d4588a003d62f3cba6cc3 - Gyazo

Here is a video showing the two tickets being opened on the 29th Based on tickettool statistics page.

What made me realise that you are lying is the number of the ticket. By the 29th June we had done way more accounts than just just 2 account tickets. So how could a ticket that was opened on the 29th June only be labelled 0002?

The ticket system doesn't recognise every ticket as the same type of ticket. In theory we could have multiple 0001 tickets. If it was from gold, Accounts, custom accounts, services. As the bot recognises each of these as a unique ticket type.

Given that the only way to bypass the 'agreeing to TOS' was by clicking 'create a ticket' on the account which is logged until the '4) accounts tickets' All other ticket creation methods are via methods that state by opening the ticket you agree to the TOS.

By the 29th June we were well past 'Ticket 0002'. Here is evidence from the bot log showing the customer opening the ticket '0002' and then the closing following the account being delivered via dm's.

As stated above, two tickets from that section were opened on that day. Here is ticket 0003 being opened just as evidence:

Please note the timestamps that 0002 of that same ticket type was opened prior to ticket 0003. I have hidden the information of another user who joined at this time but to clearly show the timestamp of when these notifications came into the discord.

A reminder that the ONLY way to bypass the TOS agreement was to do so by opening a ticket directly under the account. All other methods of opening a ticket are done so where the TOS are shown and stated.

Again, I can give access to discord/ tickettool so you can see all of this matches up yourself.

You will see here that (Customer info hidden) opened an accounts ticket on the 24th June (multiple days before Clumsy even joined the discord). and the ticket system labelled his ticket 0013.

You will note that this specific ticket was re-named.
Here you will find proof of this being done from 0013- to 00-13 payment plan as the ticket has an active payment plan:

Again you will note this was done on the day the ticket was opened.


To summarise:
2 tickets from the 'custom account' build were opened on the 29th June the same date that the customer opened a ticket. The only way to open this ticket type is to do so from the page that we have the TOS posted.
The customers ticket was labelled 0002 from the bot. Log shows this was the case with timestamps.
The only way the customer could have bypassed the TOS page was to open a ticket directly by clicking on the 'create a ticket' under the account.
The ticket type created for this would have auto labelled the customers ticket well past 0013, as 5 days prior 0013 was created for another customer who had opened it via 'create a ticket'


For reference here is me opening ticket 0004 today via the custom account build and me clicking the 'create a ticket' from the account section being given 0060 as the ticket number.

The only claim the customer had was that he wasn't aware of the TOS, and with the transcripts not being setup correctly it left doubt on could he have opened the ticket by clicking 'create a ticket' under the account and bypass the TOS page. Which was the ONLY way to open a ticket from an area on the discord that didn't have the TOS linked.

The above evidence shows clearly that he did NOT open a ticket by this method that would bypass the TOS and that his ticket labelled 0002 Must have been opened by a method that had the TOS stated.


Again, any MOD or Admin that wishes to see the logs of the discord or the tickettool backend system please drop us a message and we can sort that for you. This will show all of the claims made above.

This clearly proves the customer DID agree to the TOS and that no wrong doing by KingMMO.

 

[Griff]

To add to this, we are in contact with Einstein to fix the TOS bypass method for the ticket type that logs under: 4) account tickets

To add I’ll also be taking up a career as a private detective following the above

 

Also to add, clumsy did join in 28/06 after the server was finished, when u join the server u can only see the terms-of-service channel and only after
u accept the tos using the button u get the role member and u are able to see the whole server as in the video and image
so he did accept and saw the full tos and accepted it


Video: X-Tech's Video - Jul 9, 2025

 

[ProbablyAFK]

I did not agree to no modified TOS, and you mislead me in the channel stating that King created the account himself when I asked. I would not of bought the account if I knew he did not create it. Now suddenly nobody can find this transcript.

There needs to be proof that you have not gone back through today now that I've brought this to the attention of Sythe that this server has flaws within it's permission on 6/29/25 as well. You admitted you could bypass the TOS. Can you submit proof that the other section was not like that also?

Same thing with the front page. I was able to view everything upon joining. Now that I've brought up the server flaws, it apparent that you all are working the flaws out to cover ass.

Submit the transcript. You mislead me in the transcript and I did not agree to the TOS now coincidentally it is gone.

Let's talk TOS since everyone is hung up on that. King did not make this account, as he stated here.
KingMMO is King. He has the Sythe post under his name. It is his discord and his business. He is the only one advertising this, and it's under his face. Therefore, this would void your TOS in that aspect.
It should be reworded correctly to ensure buyers understand that he is not creating some of the accounts himself. Additionally, I did ask Griffy this during the purchase in which I was told he was. However, I asked King and he said Griffy created it.

Your TOS is in violation of account sellin section rules.

 

[Griff]

I did not agree to the TOS, and you mislead me in the channel stating that King created the account himself when I asked. I would not of bought the account if I knew he did not create it. Now suddenly nobody can find this transcript.

There needs to be proof that you have not gone back through today now that I've brought this to the attention of Sythe that this server has flaws within it's permission on 6/29/25 as well. You admitted you could bypass the TOS. Can you submit proof that the other section was not like that also?

Same thing with the front page. I was able to view everything upon joining. Now that I've brought up the server flaws, it apparent that you all are working the flaws out to cover ass.

Submit the transcript. You mislead me in the transcript and I did not agree to the TOS now coincidentally it is gone.

based on this reply it’s quite clear you don’t understand our bot logs work.

I can’t edit a message sent by a bot showing all of the evidence provided, and have invited sythe staff to get access to the logs hosted both in the discord and tickettool itself.

the above proof shows that you opened a ticket via the method that shows ‘by opening this ticket you agree to the TOS’.

If you didn’t read them or ignored that message, that’s on you as a user.

you can clearly see that the ticket creation area for custom builds was embedded in the channel well before you joined the discord. So no changes could have been made.

we will wait for sythe mods to confirm if the above screenshots is proof enough or if they require access to verify all the statements I’ve made showing that you opened a ticket via the method that hosts the terms of service in it.

 

[ProbablyAFK]

based on this reply it’s quite clear you don’t understand our bot logs work.

I can’t edit a message sent by a bot showing all of the evidence provided, and have invited sythe staff to get access to the logs hosted both in the discord and tickettool itself.

the above proof shows that you opened a ticket via the method that shows ‘by opening this ticket you agree to the TOS’.

If you didn’t read them or ignored that message, that’s on you as a user.

you can clearly see that the ticket creation area for custom builds was embedded in the channel well before you joined the discord. So no changes could have been made.

we will wait for sythe mods to confirm if the above screenshots is proof enough or if they require access to verify all the statements I’ve made showing that you opened a ticket via the method that hosts the terms of service in it.

In addition to this.

Let's talk TOS since you're hung up on that. In order for them to be enforceable they need to be correctly followed which in this case Kings TOS violates the account selling section rules.

King did not make this account. You also misled me to think he was the creator of the account which he confirmed he was not.
KingMMO is King. He has the Sythe post under his name. It is his discord and his business. He is the only one advertising this, and it's under his face. Therefore, this would void his TOS in that aspect as he is not following his own TOS.
It should be reworded correctly to ensure buyers understand that he is not creating the accounts himself. Additionally, I did ask Griffy who the original owner of the account during the purchase in which I was told King was. However, I asked King afterwards and he said Griffy created it.

 

[King]

I'm going to respond once with full transparency to everything and leave it at that until a staff member replies as I feel like going back and forth is counter-productive. If anything else is needed after from staff please let me know. If any staff member wants access to the server to see all of our bot logs to date or check through anything else in the server you are all more than welcome if need be I have no issues with that whatsoever.

Spoiler: Regarding Feeling Misled of OO

My Terms of Service states "All accounts are created in-house by KingMMO." and I mean this respectfully truly I just feel like it's common sense without coming off the wrong way that the term “in-house” means something is done internally by members of your own team, company, or organization, rather than being outsourced or done by an external party. The accounts are made by trusted business partners who are officially part of the KingMMO team and we take full liability for our accounts. They are not purchased from random users, resold from other sellers, or created by third parties outside of my operation.

He stated that my partner claimed to him that I was the original creator in the ticket which I know is definitely not true as I monitor tickets every day and Griff has always expressed if he created the account or not and even myself or my other partner Saints would do the same and the person who creates the account does the transfer privately as well after the payment has been received (as Griff did in the customers DM) and nothing was deleted after his concerns were brought up (you can check the bot logs for timestamps too). I genuinely thought they were auto saved hence them being deleted after being complete (and again you can reclarify to see the time-stamps of the deleted tickets on the bot), but we always have clarified the OO. I was unable to locate the ticket due to Discord bot limitations, but we've contacted Einstein to fix it.

Examples of above where we also state this even though it's clear in the Terms of Service as well (these tickets were still open as it's on-going as nothing was purchased yet and awaiting a follow up, and again you can access them yourself too if you'd like to verify anything)

[Example 1 - Screenshot - 32a95fc81c05e369e3ee57630de6af38 - Gyazo (edited out the customers info)]
[Example 2 - Screenshot - f2b1b0f429a3e0c51c79954fbf624439 - Gyazo (edited out the customers info)]

That said, I don't believe I need ticket documentation for this case I just wanted that extra confirmation to further prove that he lied regarding that, but he already lied when he contradicted himself as on July 3rd when he reached out privately I was completely transparent as I have been from the start of our transaction up until now and he knows that too. He didn't feel misled at the time or bring any of this up until nearly a week after (yesterday) when he didn't want to play on the account anymore and noticed we don't do buy backs or trade ins. He also didn't feel misled when he opened a separate ticket prior knowing that Griff was OO already on a separate ticket created on 7/7.

It just seems like such a slap in the face that this has resulted in a report given there's always been transparency on our side, 0 issues with the account and knowing that we clearly abided by the rules, our Terms of Service, delivered the product he purchased all while maintaining liability if anything were to go wrong (which again he had no issues with the account at all and he can reconfirm that too) and in general we were always polite, open, and honest about everything from start to date.

Spoiler: Regarding His Issues With Our Terms of Service

To address this our Discord server operates in full compliance with Sythe’s Terms of Service standards.

According to Sythe’s own guidelines (as outlined in the pinned TOS compliance threads):

Refer to: A Guide to Terms of Service (ToS)
Specifically - Screenshot - 488d233bf6b1ec64754edc14cbcd8765 - Gyazo

1) You have to agree to our Terms of Service when you join the Discord (and you can't get the members role in our Discord until you do so which is how he had that role as mentioned in the logs showed in a previous reply) - Screen capture - e4201da325b58c71b6ec4b43bf11b133 - Gyazo

2) You have to agree to our Terms of Service prior to opening a ticket (this is literally in every market section of our Discord too and has it's own channel) - Screenshot - af1a4646aafe5e5f0947f7613238dd01 - Gyazo

3) The Terms of Service is re-iterated in the ticket upon creation - Screenshot - 823b4103d823ddf940514164a81de0fc - Gyazo

We already abide Sythe Terms of Service based off you accepting them upon joining our server, but we mention it literally everywhere else for the purpose of transparency (again on every ticket, market channel, and when joining). If you had any questions or concerns regarding our Terms of Service, it was your responsibility to raise them before proceeding which you did not. Additionally, you opened a second ticket (this current one) to purchase another account, even after being made fully aware of our Terms of Service. This further demonstrates your understanding and acceptance of our policies.

Spoiler: Closing Point

In closing, we’ve been fully transparent throughout this transaction. We never hid anything prior to the sale, and I re-emphasized the ownership after the sale when he reached out, and he acknowledged it without issue. Our Terms of Service were clearly presented and agreed to at multiple stages (joining the server (requires agreeance before joining the server), opening a ticket (requires agreeance before making a ticket), it's own designated channel and in every single market channel for good measure) and we explicitly state our refund and trade back policies.

At no point did we claim the account was made by me personally, nor was any misleading information provided. The buyer only raised refund concerns several days after that last conversation, which appears to be a reaction to being denied a trade or buyback as he continued to play for nearly a week after that initial discussion in our DMs, not a genuine issue with the transaction (which again he contradicted his own point when he asked for clarification and also made a ticket inquiry for another account knowing that and knowing that we've always been honest with him). Based on all of this, we believe we did nothing wrong in this case and have been completely transparent, so we will respectfully defer to staff for final judgment as I'm feel like I'm being taken advantage of with a refund request here, but again I will respect the final say by you guys on the matter. Thanks for taking the time to look at this and sorry for the overwhelming amount of text I tried to make it as organized and easy to read as possible. And again if anything else is needed please let me know. Thank you guys for your time.

 

[ProbablyAFK]

King, this is your business. You are King. I don't see it being pushed by anyone else, advertised, and you're the face of the business. I don't see it named KingGriffySaintMMO. It's not anyone else's. You have staff members that are liable and everyone is held liable for one another actions of one member per the Sythe rules. You're falsely advertising accounts that you did not create and marketing them as your own in your own TOS. You are not abiding by the account selling sectional rules. I believe you need to update your TOS to comply with such sectional rules and make them very clear for future buyers. Coincidentally, when I brought up the issue of not agreeing to any modified TOS, and the fact that your staff member was misleading me that you were the original owner, even though you were not. There is no transcript of this.

You did not disclose that you were not the original owner, hence why I reached out to confirm that you were not as I did have concerns. You can't sit there and diverge the subject that I was not concerned when clearly I reached out to begin with more than once regarding this.

I respect that you're ex - staff and you have a big reputation. I offered to settle this amongst us privately in which you all declined. Don't play the victim, and fix your TOS to abide by the Sythe rules to prevent any further confusion for future buyers. Fix your bots and make sure they're fully functional before conducting business. I didn't come to you to buy an account created by someone that doesn't have the rep that you do.


So you're unable to provide Kayne request of "Please provide the TOS in question along with proof of user accepting these TOS."

Kings TOS violates rule #3 per the account selling section rules. He's admitted that he did not create the account, and that is was not disclosed to me prior to the buy and he has advertised it as his own violating his own TOS.
His TOS should have no power here as they aren't being followed by him nor are they in compliance within the account selling sectional rules per rule #3.

Without the transcript this proves that Griffy/King is unable to prove he abided by rule #3 to disclose who the original owner was prior to the buy. He confirmed that I reached out to him after the sale asking him in which he confirmed after the purchase which is direct violation of rule #3
Without the transcript to show in theory of me "possibly" agreeing to modified TOS per a different account creator contradicting his own TOS. There is absolutely no proof they can show on their end which falls under Sythe rules which states the following - Since violating his own TOS by not following #3 sectional rules, the only possible proof would be to have a modified TOS that we agreed to within the channel, but they have no transcript so then this rule should be applied directly considering there would need to be a modified TOS

• Further, all account sales must define an explicit refund and returns policy that the seller must ensure the buyer has read, understands and has agreed to (in writing) before the sale goes ahead. Failure to comply with this rule may result in disputes being awarded automatically to buyers.

Can we conclude this?

@Kanye , if I came to your market and purchased an account from you that is being advertised and pushed by you as being created by you per your TOS. I'm buying it from you, and not your workers creation login. That's the purpose of shopping with a highly reputable user.

That's the only security I have as a buyer is to buy it from someone who has high reputation and at that point the price reflects upon the reputation in which the buyer is willing to pay for so they have that security.

I don't even understand how it could be slightly ok to advertise accounts as your own when you didn't create them yourself unless your TOS states that, or you let the buyer know prior. That defeats the purpose of buying from a highly reputable user.

 

Thank you everyone for chiming in and providing documentation.

It does appear TOS was accepted which references all accounts are created in-house by KingMMO. The account TOS is phrased where it's supportive of a business/entity & not indicating that King himself is the original owner. Therefore, it's up to King & his counterparts to see if they'd like to refund or not - in which case they chose not to.

I'd recommend phrasing this in a more concise way to avoid headaches/confusion in the future.

 

Oh & OP is ban evading so a DNT has been applied for evasion - please request a pardon:
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