Abortion?

[MatthewGor123]

It's funny how you say Irrational beings do not have rights, because I've always thought racist people have no rights. Since your a Grade A example of a racist and all =D.

Also, a fetus has the "OPPORTUNITY" for life, it doesn't have life when it is a fetus, it is in almost a "sleep state" until it is given birth.

It basically goes with the whole "If it is intelligent, it shouldn't be killed. But the fetus does not have any intelligence to give it the protection it needs, it only has the OPPORTUNITY for intelligence.

Shredderbeam, there is a couple wrong things.

- I doubt that MOST of the people in the world now is an "unwanted baby" to even bring up the topic of an abortion.
- People say, "What if your mom got an abortion, you wouldn't be here right now", all I can say is, What if your dad jacked off that extra time?

Then nothing would have changed from your perspective. You wouldn't know what would have happened if he hadn't, therefore you can't answer this question...for YOU, it doesn't matter. But for other people, it very well may matter what would have happened. That's why abortion should be allowed...it's not like the FETUS cares.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Shredderbeam, there is a couple wrong things.

- I doubt that MOST of the people in the world now is an "unwanted baby" to even bring up the topic of an abortion.

I am not claiming that most people in the world were accidents.

- People say, "What if your mom got an abortion, you wouldn't be here right now", all I can say is, What if your dad jacked off that extra time?

Er, ok. You know I'm not arguing from a pro-life standpoint, correct?

 

[FireTorso]

My mom had an abortion when she was 18. I wish she didn't. I would have another sister lol.

 

[Paul.]

And thre was a woman near me not so long go who was only 3 weeks pregnat or so, got initial checks done and ended up with cancer. She HAD to have an abortion... but by having a baby she had checks done in her stomach area where the cancer was - so they found it

 

[MatthewGor123]

And thre was a woman near me not so long go who was only 3 weeks pregnat or so, got initial checks done and ended up with cancer. She HAD to have an abortion... but by having a baby she had checks done in her stomach area where the cancer was - so they found it

And this has something to do with the spread how? Why do you have to have an abortion if you have cancer?

 

[FlubbyWubs]

And this has something to do with the spread how? Why do you have to have an abortion if you have cancer?

Yea, cancer isn't genetic. Well most types aren't. But it could be because she didn't want the baby growing up without a parent? Either way, I posted earlier in this thread, and I still stand by my decision.. abortion is wrong unless there is a legitimate reason, not one like "Uh, well I had sex, got pregnant now I don't want it".. thats bs.

 

[MatthewGor123]

Yea, cancer isn't genetic. Well most types aren't. But it could be because she didn't want the baby growing up without a parent? Either way, I posted earlier in this thread, and I still stand by my decision.. abortion is wrong unless there is a legitimate reason, not one like "Uh, well I had sex, got pregnant now I don't want it".. thats bs.

Exactly. But how come the mom's desire for not having the child growing up without one of his/her parents trumps the child's "right for life"?

Your argument to me doesn't make too much sense; the child does deserve rights, unless the mom thinks its best for the child to die? I think most abortions are NOT because of selfishness on the mom's part, but rather caring for the child and not wanting a RATIONAL being to suffer.

 

[xestrox]

Yea, cancer isn't genetic. Well most types aren't. But it could be because she didn't want the baby growing up without a parent? Either way, I posted earlier in this thread, and I still stand by my decision.. abortion is wrong unless there is a legitimate reason, not one like "Uh, well I had sex, got pregnant now I don't want it".. thats bs.

how can you say you are against it in most situations but condone to it in some? if you think it's wrong to just have sex and go have an abortion compared to having one because the mother was raped, please tell me how that makes it the babys fault, because if the you're saying the baby has enough rights to live in a natural case, you are saying because someone rapes someone we should be able to kill the baby? meaning you are stating that 2 wrongs make a right?

 

[CH1C0]

So what about the other million or so sperm cells that just happen to die? It is essentially the same thing.

A baby cannot have a life if it isn't born.

Wait, aren't sperm cells single celled organism?
They are nothing like a fetus

 

[SnapYoFangaz]

I agree with it just because I believe it should be the parent's choice whether or not they want to have it or not. Not a big reason, just what I believe.

 

[xestrox]

I agree with it just because I believe it should be the parent's choice whether or not they want to have it or not. Not a big reason, just what I believe.

I noticed you said the plural form of the word "parent" (parent's) but explain to me where does the father have a say in this?

 

[|0|]

I agree, it might still be a living thing but there isn't that much harm done, its like killing a plant, and besides the baby doesn't even know that its in existence yet.

 

[Christmas Crackers]

Well we can agree that there's no right answer. The religious will say you can't kill God's children, the women who were raped will be pro-choice. However, if I had to choose I would be pro-choice because it is the woman's body

 

[xestrox]

I agree, it might still be a living thing but there isn't that much harm done, its like killing a plant, and besides the baby doesn't even know that its in existence yet.

Your stating "there isn't that much harm done" meaning you're saying there is some harm done, also even though the baby doesn't know it enough to remember in the future, how do you know it doesn't feel/know it's in existance.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

I noticed you said the plural form of the word "parent" (parent's) but explain to me where does the father have a say in this?

Adding the apostrophe s implies possession...but whatever...the plural would be parents.

The father should have no legal say, it isn't his body.

 

[xestrox]

Adding the apostrophe s implies possession...but whatever...the plural would be parents.

The father should have no legal say, it isn't his body.

The womans body isn't his but the baby is made up of him aswell as her, though she may carry it in her womb, that doesn't make it entirely her's, that's why the "Y" sex chromosone determines the baby's blood type which is the sex crhomosone of the man, i don't understand how you can say when 2 people make something it becomes soloely 1 persons.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

For are you pro abortion people think of this.

We look back at the crusades and say how could religion do that to people go around and just kill people for the sake of religion. We also look at the holocaust and say how could anyone let that happen to the Jews. Senseless killing of many many Jews. It is sick and horrific. People lived right next to it too. They could smell the dead bodies from the concentration camps. Any reasonable human would ask how they could live with that.

Now think about abortion. The mindless killing of innocent babies, and yes they are considered babies. As soon as the cell multiplies it becomes another life. How do you think our future is going to look at us. They are going to look at us just like we look at the Nazis and Crusaders. They will ask themselves how people could go on living while innocent lives are being taken.

If you think that killing the Jews was wrong. If you think the crusades were wrong. Then certainly you should also see the murder of babies as the same thing.

 

[xestrox]

For are you pro abortion people think of this.

We look back at the crusades and say how could religion do that to people go around and just kill people for the sake of religion. We also look at the holocaust and say how could anyone let that happen to the Jews. Senseless killing of many many Jews. It is sick and horrific. People lived right next to it too. They could smell the dead bodies from the concentration camps. Any reasonable human would ask how they could live with that.

Now think about abortion. The mindless killing of innocent babies, and yes they are considered babies. As soon as the cell multiplies it becomes another life. How do you think our future is going to look at us. They are going to look at us just like we look at the Nazis and Crusaders. They will ask themselves how people could go on living while innocent lives are being taken.

If you think that killing the Jews was wrong. If you think the crusades were wrong. Then certainly you should also see the murder of babies as the same thing.

Very well said, i like the way you stated it, this will give people something to think about before they state there opinion now. [agreed]

 

[DropKick Murphys]

The womans body isn't his but the baby is made up of him aswell as her, though she may carry it in her womb, that doesn't make it entirely her's, that's why the "Y" sex chromosone determines the baby's blood type which is the sex crhomosone of the man, i don't understand how you can say when 2 people make something it becomes soloely 1 persons.

The womans body is carrying the baby. She may take it out at any time she wishes.

For are you pro abortion people think of this.

We look back at the crusades and say how could religion do that to people go around and just kill people for the sake of religion. We also look at the holocaust and say how could anyone let that happen to the Jews. Senseless killing of many many Jews. It is sick and horrific. People lived right next to it too. They could smell the dead bodies from the concentration camps. Any reasonable human would ask how they could live with that.

Now think about abortion. The mindless killing of innocent babies, and yes they are considered babies. As soon as the cell multiplies it becomes another life. How do you think our future is going to look at us. They are going to look at us just like we look at the Nazis and Crusaders. They will ask themselves how people could go on living while innocent lives are being taken.

If you think that killing the Jews was wrong. If you think the crusades were wrong. Then certainly you should also see the murder of babies as the same thing.

Why does a fetus have rights? That is to say, what makes it anymore deserving of rights than the millions of animals slaughtered for meat?

 

[Shredderbeam]

For are you pro abortion people think of this.

We look back at the crusades and say how could religion do that to people go around and just kill people for the sake of religion. We also look at the holocaust and say how could anyone let that happen to the Jews. Senseless killing of many many Jews. It is sick and horrific. People lived right next to it too. They could smell the dead bodies from the concentration camps. Any reasonable human would ask how they could live with that.

Now think about abortion. The mindless killing of innocent babies, and yes they are considered babies. As soon as the cell multiplies it becomes another life. How do you think our future is going to look at us. They are going to look at us just like we look at the Nazis and Crusaders. They will ask themselves how people could go on living while innocent lives are being taken.

If you think that killing the Jews was wrong. If you think the crusades were wrong. Then certainly you should also see the murder of babies as the same thing.

Are fetuses equivalent to full-grown human beings?