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Abortion?

Who cares? There's too many people in this world, and having an abortion will HELP everyone else then rather being selfish to have a child you don't want because you're afraid to "hurt" it. Technically, it isn't even alive yet.

EDIT: Shredderbeam, your sig is by far the best sig I have seen on this forums.
 
yeah, its not the governments baby, if she doesnt want it she either not going to take care of it or not have it, personaly id rather have her not have it
 
If the fetus is not yet conscious, then I agree with it.

MDV, it isn't considered alive, just because the sperm cells interact with the egg. The molecules have to mix properly to create the right form of orgasm, making it alive.

I believe it's around 3-4 months until the baby is conscious? I'm not quite sure, but mhmm. :D
 
TJ said:
You are killing something by eating meat.

Actually, by eating anything you are killing a living life.

So.

Explain that please.
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The meat is dead long before it ends up on a dinner plate.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Is consciousness the source of rights?
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No, it isn't. I think it's whether you're alive or not alive. (I say 'not alive' because a fetus isn't dead).
 
I'm pro-choice. I don't think a woman should have a baby if she doesn't want to or can't sustain a proper environment for it. Just my views. A lot of it is circumstantial, I don't have a cut and dry answer for this.
 
TJ said:
You are killing something by eating meat.

Actually, by eating anything you are killing a living life.

So.

Explain that please.
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Ahhh, very good point. Well, we do need meat since it has required nutrition and it's just a way of survival, but it's not considered murder if you kill an animal to eat it and survive. It's a way of survival to eat living things and killing a baby is murder, which is pretty much killing it for no use, you're not going to eat it, you're not going to benefit at all, so you shouldn't kill the child for no reason just so a girl doesn't have to give birth.

Also, if you don't want to give birth because of pain, then who cares because there are painkillers, my mom didn't have labor pain from giving birth to me because she used a painkiller.
 
xx mdv xx said:
Ahhh, very good point. Well, we do need meat since it has required nutrition and it's just a way of survival, but it's not considered murder if you kill an animal to eat it and survive. Even if I was a vegetarian I would be killing living things, vegetables are living things too, so pretty much everything you eat is a living thing.
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If i were to kill a human to survive, would i be in the wrong?
 
TJ said:
If i were to kill a human to survive, would i be in the wrong?
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I'm not sure, but if it's for survival I guess not, but I don't know. I wouldn't do it just because it's disgusting but I've heard of cases where people who are lost or far away from a habitant area kill a friend to eat the meat, I would find it wrong since I've known my whole life killing another person is very wrong.
 
TJ said:
If i were to kill a human to survive, would i be in the wrong?
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Basic rule of survival, eat or be eaten. I believe in the sense that you were killing to survive, then you would be in the right. That's how I look at it.
 
xx mdv xx said:
I'm not sure, but if it's for survival I guess not, but I don't know. I wouldn't do it just because it's disgusting but I've heard of cases where people who are lost or far away from a habitant area kill a friend to eat the meat, I would find it wrong since I've known my whole life killing another person is very wrong.
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You would rather die than survive? (Taking it that you are on the eating predator side)
 
TJ said:
You would rather die than survive? (Taking it that you are on the eating predator side)
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Maybe, because imagining myself stabbing someone to death is unbelievable to me and imagining that my whole life that I murdered someone sucks to live with. Now, if I couldn't trust the person and he tried to kill me before, then I might do it.
 
TJ said:
If i were to kill a human to survive, would i be in the wrong?
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Yes it would.

Shredderbeam said:
She should? Why should she? How can you say that one person is morally responsible for another person to the extent that they can be forced to keep them alive.

It's not required to go to work. You can quit at any time.
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By having sex she must accept the chance of falling pregnant. Therefore it is her responsibility to look after the baby, UNLESS she physically or mentally cannot look after it.

The only situation I would allow abortion, would be if the 'fetus' was up to a certain stage of development, anything past that and it should be illegal.
 
I disagree with abortion but I don't blame people for doing it. BUT.. surely if you don't want to be pregnant you should use contraception or use the pill, not wait until the baby is slightly developed and then abort the pregnancy.

Either have the baby and keep it, use contraception/pill, or have the baby and put it up for adoption.
 
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I'm laughing.

"It's wrong to abort the child if the woman has sex willingly with someone close to her, but it is alright to abort the child if the woman got raped."

The only thing that changes is the father and the mental status of the mother. For the sake of rationality, please make up your mind.
 
Swan said:
I'm laughing.

"It's wrong to abort the child if the woman has sex willingly with someone close to her, but it is alright to abort the child if the woman got raped."

The only thing that changes is the father and the mental status of the mother. For the sake of rationality, please make up your mind.
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I have made my mind up, if you are referring that towards my comments. Well if she has been raped, obviously she shouldn't have to carry the baby. That is what I stated in a previous post, if the woman is mentally incapable of having a child then she should be allowed to abort however if she is mentally capable, and willingly had sex then she should bear the responsibility.
 
pk k0nka said:
By having sex she must accept the chance of falling pregnant. Therefore it is her responsibility to look after the baby, UNLESS she physically or mentally cannot look after it.

The only situation I would allow abortion, would be if the 'fetus' was up to a certain stage of development, anything past that and it should be illegal.
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You're essentially saying "it is her responsibility to look after the baby". Why? What if I were to simply assert the opposite? Do you have any justification for your assertion?
 
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