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Hey guys, incase you didn't know 4.0 is coming and will have a drastic effect on leveling!

I'm wondering if you guys think this is a good or bad thing? Are new players being spoonfed now or is this change injecting some much needed life into the early-leveling system?

I personally think the latter, class specs are being introduced earlier into the game and hence become viable earlier in the game. Ever tried leveling as a feral druid from 1-20? xD

These are the moves you get at level 10 with your chosen spec. Full list is at http://cata.wowhead.com/talent.
Druids:
Balance- Starsurge
Feral- Mangle
Resto- Swiftmend

Hunter:
BM- Intimidation
MM- Aimed Shot
Surv- Exploding Shot

Mage:
Arcane- Arcane Barrage
Fire- Pyroblast
Frost- Summon Water Ele

Paladin:
Holy- Holy Shock
Prot- Avenger's Shield
Ret- Templar's Verdict

Priest:
Disc- Penance
Holy- Holy Word: Chatise
Shadow- Mind Flay

Rogue:
Ass- Mutilate
Combat- Blade Flurry
Sub- Shadowstep

Shaman:
Ele- Thunderstorm
Enh- Lava Lash (also Duel Wield)
Resto- Earth Shield

Warlock:
Aff- Unstable Affliction
Demo- Summon Gelguard
destro- Conflagrate

Warrior:
Arms- Mortal Strike
Fury- Bloodthirst (Duel wield too)
Prot- Shield Slam
 
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They're makin shit too easy again
 
rsaccounttrader said:
Wow. What would be the best talents for a 19 twink hunter?

Also: they said they would be rebalancing hunters, but this seems to help them...
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They only balance classes at max level. Also, you don't know what the damage modifiers are for any of these abilities so you can't really say whether a class is going to be balanced or not.
 
Pyroblast had a name change. It's now "Pyroblast!"
See the difference? " " to "!"
 
Idk about hunters tbh. I was playing on ptr on my 19 hunt and Aimed shot has a 3.5 sec cast time, exploding shot was instant and did about 240 dmg over 2 seconds.

Edit- logging on now to get exact numbers for you.

Ok explosive shot: Hits three times per cast over 2 seconds, I was getting 80 dmg non crits and about 155 dmg crits.

Aimed shot: about 240 non crit, 500 crit. Also has no CD.
 
So Cataclysm is coming!
I should dust off my warrior and get it to level 80 (72 atm.) before Cataclysm.
 
they are spoon feeding new players. My days of WoW are coming to an end shortly i will buy cata but if it's garbage oh well.
 
Blupig said:
They're makin shit too easy again
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I wouldn't necessarily say they are making IT easy. getting to level 80 is a pain in the ass, getting to 85 will be more. I'd understand if they make at least 1-70 easier (which this will do). So that new players aren't that far behind others.
 
Yeah I'm usually against Blizzard making things easier, but i think these early leveling changes are for the best.

Lets just hope they don't make hardmodes casual-accessible xD
 
Munus said:
I wouldn't necessarily say they are making IT easy. getting to level 80 is a pain in the ass, getting to 85 will be more. I'd understand if they make at least 1-70 easier (which this will do). So that new players aren't that far behind others.
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honestly they are behind because they either rolled a new toon or started wow fresh. To be quite frank with you i don't give a rats ass how boring it is to level if we had to endure it why shouldn't they.
Niini said:
Yeah I'm usually against Blizzard making things easier, but i think these early leveling changes are for the best.

Lets just hope they don't make hardmodes casual-accessible xD
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Making casuals able to down hard modes isn't the end out the world nor game breaking get off your high horse.
 
Maleficent said:
Making casuals able to down hard modes isn't the end out the world nor game breaking get off your high horse.
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To be honest I think it is. I'm not saying End game bosses, I'm saying the hardmode versions of such bosses. Hardmodes were implemented in the first place to provide content that catered to the hardcore raider. By making that content accessible to the casual, your destroying that part of the game.

All I see from you is trolling and negativity, we want altruism not pessimism!
 
Niini said:
To be honest I think it is. I'm not saying End game bosses, I'm saying the hardmode versions of such bosses. Hardmodes were implemented in the first place to provide content that catered to the hardcore raider. By making that content accessible to the casual, your destroying that part of the game.

All I see from you is trolling and negativity, we want altruism not pessimism!
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no i run into idiots like you that have the mind set of a child so i talk to you as i would to a stubborn child.

on topic - your basically want to be better then people who like to do outside activities and work and go to school. That i can understand since you put more work into the game.

If a casual guild can down a hard mode then how does their game play affect you? You can't run around looking better? stroke your epeen as you top meters?
Like i said get off your high horse your complaining about other peoples game play and life style.

FYI I'm pretty sure arena people deal with the bullshit also they give out wrathful off pieces from badges and honor.

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All I see from you is trolling and negativity, we want altruism not pessimism!
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I never trolled anyone with that statement i call you an idiot. Negativity..i can hold any stance i want i don't have to pretend to like or sugar coat anything i don't like. I will not be here and post just to entertain you.

you say we...You can't speak for everyone on the forum.
pessimism? You assume i take a pessimists stance only because I'm disagreeing with what you say.
 
Niini said:
Yeah I'm usually against Blizzard making things easier, but i think these early leveling changes are for the best.

Lets just hope they don't make hardmodes casual-accessible xD
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I heard they are making normal mode - hard mode, then a mode above that, that kicks the shit outa you if you aren't very experienced.
 
Maleficent said:
no i run into idiots like you that have the mind set of a child so i talk to you as i would to a stubborn child.

on topic - your basically want to be better then people who like to do outside activities and work and go to school. That i can understand since you put more work into the game.

If a casual guild can down a hard mode then how does their game play affect you? You can't run around looking better? stroke your epeen as you top meters?
Like i said get off your high horse your complaining about other peoples game play and life style.

FYI I'm pretty sure arena people deal with the bullshit also they give out wrathful off pieces from badges and honor.

Edit:

I never trolled anyone with that statement i call you an idiot. Negativity..i can hold any stance i want i don't have to pretend to like or sugar coat anything i don't like. I will not be here and post just to entertain you.

you say we...You can't speak for everyone on the forum.
pessimism? You assume i take a pessimists stance only because I'm disagreeing with what you say.
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They dont give out wrathful from badges and honour.

Cool your jets bro. I don't think you really understand what I'm saying. I don't want hardcore raiders to be "better" than casuals, all I'm saying is that there should be some sort of payoff for those who invest time into the game. If an experienced, proficient casual guild is able to down harder content thats awesome, I just want the system to stay how it is right now, where the guild needs a certain level of ability to access harder and harder content.

You instantly jump to talking about gear and DPS meters? Uh, Ok, Cool story bro? You don't think that harder bosses should give better gear? I'm not sure hwat your getting at.

It's more the constant, "I call you a fool" "I call you an idiot" and so on taht leads me to that stance.

We want altruism not Pessimism!
 
Niini said:
They dont give out wrathful from badges and honour.

Cool your jets bro. I don't think you really understand what I'm saying. I don't want hardcore raiders to be "better" than casuals, all I'm saying is that there should be some sort of payoff for those who invest time into the game. If an experienced, proficient casual guild is able to down harder content thats awesome, I just want the system to stay how it is right now, where the guild needs a certain level of ability to access harder and harder content.

You instantly jump to talking about gear and DPS meters? Uh, Ok, Cool story bro? You don't think that harder bosses should give better gear? I'm not sure hwat your getting at.

It's more the constant, "I call you a fool" "I call you an idiot" and so on taht leads me to that stance.

We want altruism not Pessimism!
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oh im sorry you are correct you can't get wrathful from badges but from honor you can.

You want a ''payoff' which basically means you want something extra hence getting better stuff no?

I never said anything about harder bosses not dropping loot. Your real original ''cool story bro'' The only reason i could see you not wanting casuals being able to down hard modes is for better gear and higher dps if there is something else do tell.
 
I'm not sure what your on about anymore, all I'm saying is that I hope they dont change the current difficulty of raids.

That includes the current gear/hardmodes system.
 
well they are making shit easy again because they think the pre BC/LK content doesnt match up to BC/LK
 
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