Runescape Account Sales Rule Suggestion

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I support the idea, but i can't see how would this be executed as a lot of sellers will say whatever to sell their garbage. To avoid this situation i'd suggest buyers to do a deep research on the sellers before buying an account from anyone as i can confidently say that less than 10% of sellers train accounts themselves.

 

I like this suggestion, but I’m a bit on a teeter totter about how i feel about this as well.
If the account has been outsourced & it’s on good standing, I don’t think it’s necessary to be “flagged” as outsourced to the potential buyer, because essentially there is nothing wrong. If you use common sense & you’re buying accounts from a bulk account seller you can easily assume these are outsourced already & that’s your decision to make.
I would counter argue this no support ^ if you have any proof that once you transferred wealth onto the account it was immediately banned. Obviously I know this is hard to obtain, but it not something I’ve personally heard of before.
The account was in good standing right? And if it’s switched IP for long enough “cool down” I don’t think you should of had a problem. Along with account sharing is not even against rs rules it’s just not advised.

 

Solution: Make it clear what the definition of outsourced is. If you are not responsible for atleast 75% of the account progress you have to inform the buyer the account was outsourced, failure to do so will result in a temp ban or twc for bad trading practice like any other rule enforced.

 

Drawing arbitrary lines would make this impossible to reinforce.

I'm a no support on your original idea, and here's why. The rule you quoted is specific to training services being done on an account that you've presumably paid someone else to do (for example, I pay you to train my account, and you outsource it). For a brief time period, there is someone who is not you on my account with full access to whatever's on it.

Account sales are different. Buyers aren't purchasing accounts that other people have reasonable access to, since anyone who's gotten their account trained before selling it should have taken all reasonable precautions to prevent that account trainer from recovering the account themselves. In other words, the only person that should have access to the account being sold is the person selling the account; otherwise, it's not really "theirs" to sell in the first place.

Account sellers are liable if accounts they sell get recovered. It doesn't matter whether or not the seller, themselves, recovered the account; if anyone manages to pry it away from the buyer, they are on the hook. So I'm not really sure this rule is needed. It's going to be really hard to enforce, and the number of scams it would prevent far outweighs the number of successful trades it would inhibit. And I'm sure you've already done this, but you should probably write up a scam report on the guy who sold you that account...

 

Accounts getting recovered isn't the main reason why I suggest this be a rule

 

Guess I missed that, but the points still stand. I'd bet recoveries are way more common than insta-bans, and it still sounds like you need to talk to the owner about what transpired because getting insta-banned isn't normal.

 

These people from these country's get insta banned for trading pots over to eachother, its common and a risk every buyer should be aware of not swept under the rug

 

Going to be a no support from me. Like many other suggestions over the years, this one has great intentions & would be worthwhile in a perfect world. However, enforcement would be very difficult, cumbersome, and lead to a lot of time wasted/spent by staff.

Account selling/trading/sharing is against Jagex' rules and there is always a risk associated with engaging in such activity. This suggestion is circumstantially relevant & only applies to a small portion of accounts that are sold on Sythe.

You really can't even prove that the account you purchased was banned solely based on it being trained by Vene's (although I'm sure that was the reason). Therein lies one of the issues with this suggestion.

To Superflous point, vet your seller & utilize other safe trading practices and you can drastically minimize the odds of this occurring.

 

No support from me since you wouldn't be able to distinguish what % of the account was trained by someone else or by the OO, and if you had say 33-53 thieving and a few quests done on an account, you would have to mention the account has had 3rd party training while you trained over 95% of the account yourself, but would receive the same treatment to your account for someone who did 5% of the work and paid for the rest.

 

I mean, no support but I think this is something sellers should be doing to begin with.
It may not be a rule, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be open/honest about what they're selling.
I don't think it's enforceable, but from a business ethics standpoint, anyone selling should absolutely be disclosing things like that.

 

I like the idea, but it's up on sellers honesty. Also, bans can happen randomly (jagex rulez) even if seller did all the training by hand.
Maybe if you work on this suggestion and make better points i could support. But no support right now.

 

Typically if someone is dumping accounts in an “account shop” then they are just mass produced, outsourced to Venezuelans/botted to be trained/quested then sold for quick profit. If someone sells accounts you can see have clearly had time put in to them etc then they are most likely trained by the Sythe user themselves. At that point you need to then confirm the seller is trustworthy enough to not recover the account.

 

I agree with this! The more information needed during a trade of account is better for the purchasing party would save a lot of scam threads

 

And how can you even begin to verify the seller's words? I can simply add a line and claim all my accounts are mine and handtrained. Who's to prove me wrong then?

 

I agree. Of course this would be an awesome addition if it was practical, I just don’t know how it could be proven and then enforced.

If anyone had a solution to how you could prove it’s your account (screenshot album of all training) however the issue with the screenshots would be if someone didn’t use runelite, or had switched pc’s part way through, used mobile, the list goes on. Then it could not be proven and therefore they wouldn’t be able to list their account as their own + hand trained? I see more complications compared to the benefits at this point unless we could come up with a suggestion that could make this more practical.

 

No support. What if they are not original owner and the account was being trained on before? What's the difference between going on holidays, logging in and training your account there, in comparison to having your account trained on? Sure there's a difference when it's a home IP but account trainers from foreign countries usually have dynamic IP's so tracing it down to one user is harder either way.

Besides, how can this be moderated if there was ever someone being trained on? Say for example your account would get banned and the original owner would deny the account has ever been trained by someone - what happens then? You'll just adding extra stress to the Sythe staff here because it'd be yet another case hard to figure out who's in the wrong and who's right.