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[Gun]

Wasn't sure where to put this because nobody seems to want to address it.

Community Teams are at the forefront of the site and should be conducted as such to reflect the ideals of the site, seems that fell short here. You deny people looking to join a community team and be involved, yet don't DEMOTE the 10+ inactive people on the community teams to allow room for fresh bodies?

I was told I am not "involved in the community" as part of a 1-on-1 conversation with staff post-Mod Application and it was recommended I join a community team. Yet again bias is thrown into the mix on the vote into the community team as depicted below.

PR Application Denial:
- Reason 1 we are in search of people with community spirit, positivity, and joins in on community events. Whether this be events for CDT or PR, I’ve personally mentioned our event to you which you are quite negative about, and have decided to not participate/support in any way.
- Reason 2 the team all noticed your attitude towards PR in the last month or two, and it has not been positive. This sort of negativity hurts a team, and if you’re applying for a team, make sure you support them & help out even before applying.
- Reason 3 Shitposting, as you’ve mentioned yourself you have 100+ infractions, it wouldn’t look good if one of our community team members kept getting banned for infraction build up.


1) He has not stated a reason for denial was lack of participation in an event that is STILL ONGOING. The way he speaks he is only voicing his own bias. He additionally made accusations that CDT was leaking info about PR and the leadership and that being the reason I applied: Screenshot - 2afafd6a95b5f9bd75cf51b7c5bed113 - Gyazo

2) He is basing this off of the negative feedback I expressed to him in discord repeatedly in terms of lack of social media plays, community involvement, and engagement from the PR team itself. Now that Constructive Feedback is being used against me because they don't know how to funnel it into progress and results. Please see here, because we don't hold a personal relationship he is stating that is the reason for denial. Call me crazy, most people don't "Get along" with all of their co-workers or boss... but guess what you do the fucking job the right way anyhow. Just another clear admission of bias. Screenshot - bd4229b9b70abea37a7eec43e9daaebf - Gyazo

3) Where do I have 100+ infractions? This is another item based off of a take inspect element picture that was posted in the spam forum that stated I had 247 infractions. If time and care was taken into the PR team this would have been validated to see that it was a meme, just like 99% of the rest of the SF.


You are allowing two people who are fully clocked out of PR team to have the majority decision on the entire team. QBD is terribly inactive and BEAST resigned and will be gone within a week. They may have been handed a bag of shit from the previous PR leaders, but that bag of shit still stinks the same... it is being allowed to run into the ground.

 

While I agree with you it may be biased, you are not exactly the most positive member around. To a certain extent I believe mods and community teams have to be biased when voting, if they are not then they are voting solely on involvement within the community and not even considering what kind of person they are voting for.

TL;DR: I understand why your initial request to join staff/community team got declined

 

[Gun]

While I agree with you it may be biased, you are not exactly the most positive member around. To a certain extent I believe mods and community teams have to be biased when voting, if they are not then they are voting solely on involvement within the community and not even considering what kind of person what they are voting for.

TL;DR: I understand why your initial request to join staff/community teams got declined

This wasn't opened as a discussion/voting thread for me to get on PR. Please re-read each item and see how @BEAST actions directly go against the proper process. Both QBD and Beast are checked out of PR and seems like they'd prefer it just die.

 

The only reason you wrote this is out of spite for me, you put it into the "Report a Scammer" because you want to attack my character as you've done countlessly across discord which you consider "spam" but when you say it enough time it becomes reality. You've quoted discord here, so will I. If you've been on the site for 13 years, than i'd hope you know how to navigate and understand where to post such concerns. The denial PM also tell's you were to leave feedback.....

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As per request you've asked me to respond here instead of in private message.

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Let's get one thing out of the way before we begin, You consider whatever you say in discord to be "spam" as this is where you submitted your applications for PR. You either can not read or you think you're entitled brat and get to bypass the application process.

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Be thankful we even considered your application, since it was not submitted correctly.

Next time you apply, you can apply here, and make sure to read the rules. Interested in joining CDT, TC, or PR team? Click here! .

Constructive feedback, I would love to know where you post this constructive feedback? because i don't see anything from you here What would you like to see from the PR team? , but if i did a quick search on discord for either my name or Pr you will see a lot of defamation towards myself and the team, is that your constructive feedback?

Let's get into your application
Time spent on Sythe: GREAT
Why do you think you're qualified:something about social media management, and your workload responding to direct report - GREAT
What skills and qualities can you bring to the team: knowledge of games & 13 years on Sythe - okay these are not skills , but they do help somewhat.
Previous experience managing social medias: You said 2 that are no longer supported and don't have any links and/or proof you've done anything their. okay

As you may know, these are general questions,so from here we go ahead and make a check box and see what you have to bring to the table that will benefit the team.

1. Reputation - You've pardoned a few times scamming big amounts, I would not have a problem here, but in my personal opinion, i think there needs to be a lengthy time span before someone would apply (2-4 years) especially if they are a repeat offender - No for me
2. Participation in events - Currently we have an event for PR going on, you've known about this event since the beginning. You've disagreed with the event since the beginning, but nonetheless if you "support" PR you'd join it and encourage it. We also look for your involvment in other community events, the last two being the saint pattys event and the valentines event you were absent from both. - No for me
3. Introduction section, We try our best to be positive and to be active in the introduction section and help the newcomers. You're not present here - No for me



If i was wrong about the infractions statement, i take responsibility for saying that and i'm sorry. I was under the impression that you had 100+ infractions not through spam forum post, but by you repeatedly boasting about this in voice chat. None the less, you've probably got a handful and if you can't follow rules, than you shouldn't be on a leading by example.

Btw, if Admins told you to join PR because your mod app got denied. That doesn't show your support towards PR,, it shows that you were just doing what you were told to do, probably in aspiration that if you listen, you'll be have a chance down the road for mod.
Apply on your own, not when told to we need leaders not followers

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also to just tie it all together, you're outrage and your profound anger is disturbing and I hope mods take this into consideration for any position you apply to.
Remember you quoted discord so i will do so here too

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There is much much much more we both know.

 

I forgot

We also check if you do any GFX which need done for projects. Which I don’t think you do either.

 

PR Application Denial:
- Reason 1 we are in search of people with community spirit, positivity, and joins in on community events. Whether this be events for CDT or PR, I’ve personally mentioned our event to you which you are quite negative about, and have decided to not participate/support in any way.
- Reason 2 the team all noticed your attitude towards PR in the last month or two, and it has not been positive. This sort of negativity hurts a team, and if you’re applying for a team, make sure you support them & help out even before applying.
- Reason 3 Shitposting, as you’ve mentioned yourself you have 100+ infractions, it wouldn’t look good if one of our community team members kept getting banned for infraction build up.

Seems like a pretty detailed denial reason, I would be thankful that you were given some pretty clear things you could work on if you would want to reapply in the future. You stated yourself that the community teams should reflect the ideals of the site, and there I believe there is room for you to come to the conclusion of whether your actions and the way you present yourself line up with these ideals.

1) He has not stated a reason for denial was lack of participation in an event that is STILL ONGOING. The way he speaks he is only voicing his own bias. He additionally made accusations that CDT was leaking info about PR and the leadership and that being the reason I applied: Screenshot - 2afafd6a95b5f9bd75cf51b7c5bed113 - Gyazo

I would assume that consistent event participation would help in the community activity area. There have been plenty of events in recent times that you can/could've joined in on that might have changed their mind or given them a different opinion. In regards to the leaking situation, I do believe that he might be out of line making those assumptions without any sort of evidence to back it up, though I can understand his frustration.

2) He is basing this off of the negative feedback I expressed to him in discord repeatedly in terms of lack of social media plays, community involvement, and engagement from the PR team itself. Now that Constructive Feedback is being used against me because they don't know how to funnel it into progress and results. Please see here, because we don't hold a personal relationship he is stating that is the reason for denial. Call me crazy, most people don't "Get along" with all of their co-workers or boss... but guess what you do the fucking job the right way anyhow. Just another clear admission of bias. Screenshot - bd4229b9b70abea37a7eec43e9daaebf - Gyazo

Calling your constant criticism and denunciation of the PR team "constructive" is a joke and I hope you are not serious about that. You have an extremely impertinent attitude towards anything you have a problem with, and it makes it very hard (in my experience) to reason with you when you get so worked up over such small or inconsequential matters.
In regards to the personal relationships, it's pretty self evident that having positive past experiences with people who will be voting on your application would help you, though I don't think you should take what he says in spam forum as seriously as the rejection PM that you received.

3) Where do I have 100+ infractions? This is another item based off of a take inspect element picture that was posted in the spam forum that stated I had 247 infractions. If time and care was taken into the PR team this would have been validated to see that it was a meme, just like 99% of the rest of the SF.

You have a shit ton of infractions and past trouble and it wouldn't be a good look for the team to have someone who can't seem to follow the rules, i don't really see how that can be argued against.



I do agree with you that PR is currently a "dead team" at the moment but I also agree with the remaining members of the team that you probably wouldn't be a worthwhile inclusion. I would suggest that you look into what you can improve with yourself before complaining that everybody is biased and that the members of this site are you to get you. Just my two cents.

 

[mumble]

Whenever I join voice chat you call me a n****r.

We're not close friends, much less friends, at which point it would still be questionable if this was acceptable.

This isn't exactly what we as community teams look for as positive influences in the community.

 

Not sure if you're memeing or not Gun, but unless another rustling of the teams happens, such as when Richard changed up CDT and created TC, then you're not going to be voted in by a group of your peers. Whether or not its a crutch to deny you, which we could argue a lot, you have a very abrasive personality which makes people not want to be around you Gun. They're not going to want to vote for someone who they don't want to be around, and if you were in their position you would do the same.

Still assuming you're pushing buttons just to push buttons, never know when to take half of y'all on here serious or not.

 

as @Jason has stated, it seems as though you have received a detailed list of things you MAY need to improve upon. I understand that you may not be happy with the outcome but if you work on those bulleted points listed above, there is certainly a spot for you among the teams and whatnot.

Also not sure if you are aware but targeting individuals as often as you do would give you uncanny results such as this. Looks like you need to brush up on your 'People' skills, as your activity is there.

 

[Flipz]

Also not sure if you are aware but targeting individuals as often as you do would give you uncanny results such as this. Looks like you need to brush up on your 'People' skills, as your activity is there.

I feel like the leader should also brush up on his 'People' skills. Here is a good example:

Here is yet another great example of our very own PR team leader's 'people' skills.
This user was heavily bullied and quit sythe, Beast thinks it's appropriate to leave this on his profile:

And here's even more evidence to support he is clearly not capable of being in the position he is in; in this screenshot he is spreading false information on a scam report:

 

[S]

Sure, Gun is an asshole - and regardless of whom the PR leader is, it's safe to say that Gun would not be accepted into said team.

However, the more prevalent issue here is that, the leader of the PR team is one that lacks the relevant qualities and attributes needed to lead a team.

Accepting/denying applicants is in practice irrelevant, when the team's leadership is a far bigger concern.

Trolling and having fun is all well and good. However, there's an understandable limit, especially if maintaining a community team leadership role (which many new, and even more veteran users believe to held by individuals whom you can trust, and more importantly, generates a narrative of what the general populous of this forum may be like). A level of professionalism needs to be maintained, if one is unable to do so, forcefully remove them from their leadership role.

BEAST is anything but, professional, approachable, likeable or unbiased. He may posses said qualities, but I'm yet to see anything close.

 

[Degenerate73]

Well the PR team is getting DISSOLVED. Your post had an impact, goodjob gun

 

I feel like the leader should also brush up on his 'People' skills. Here is a good example:

Here is yet another great example of our very own PR team leader's 'people' skills.
This user was heavily bullied and quit sythe, Beast thinks it's appropriate to leave this on his profile:

when you are banned for not being able to pay back a user, I think it’s fair game? Because at that point of the comment you were banned correct ?
For the divinetaco comment, look at one of his last posts, than you’ll see why I put such a comment as a troll?
Don’t act like you’re some mr sunshine here flipz, as you know what kind of mouth you have on yourself.

BEAST is anything but, professional, approachable, likeable or unbiased. He may posses said qualities, but I'm yet to see anything close.

where have we talked besides arguing about the removal of PR? So where does your “not approachable/likeable” statement come into play ? And you throw in unbiased? Am I not allowed to have my own opinion ?

 

[Flipz]

when you are banned for not being able to pay back a user, I think it’s fair game? Because at that point of the comment you were banned correct ?
For the divinetaco comment, look at one of his last posts, than you’ll see why I put such a comment as a troll?
Don’t act like you’re some mr sunshine here flipz, as you know what kind of mouth you have on yourself.

So you think what you posted, as a PR leader, is perfectly ok?

I never claimed I don't flame - I at least keep it to where it's permitted and, unlike yourself, I'm not supposed to be representing the community as a PR leader.

 

So you think what you posted, as a PR leader, is perfectly ok?

I never claimed I don't flame - I at least keep it to where it's permitted and, unlike yourself, I'm not supposed to be representing the community as a PR leader.

I think my actions may be a bit childish, but I’ve not caught the eye of concern from anyone above me to “tone it down” and if given one, I’d work on it.
I always admit to what I am doing wrong, if either proven wrong or told by critiques “of power”. Here is an example of needed

If i was wrong about the infractions statement, i take responsibility for saying that and i'm sorry. I was under the impression that you had 100+ infractions not through spam forum post, but by you repeatedly boasting about this in voice chat. None the less, you've probably got a handful and if you can't follow rules, than you shouldn't be on a leading by example.

 

[Gun]

To be clear here; the area of discussion is not about me. It is about how @BEAST and the PR team conduct their vetting process.

I think some of the information posted above sheds light on the fact that you have someone with zero leadership skills running the show. And that has only allowed the community team to fall deeper into the abyss.


@SellerMan I was a complete shitbag for years on here (2006-2016) and I don’t disagree with some of your point about me in the past. However that being said I have grown with the site in the 13 years I have been on here and no matter how bullshit you may think it sounds, I care. I blow off steam, act like an ass and let loose on discord mainly because of the stress IRL, it seems SF is taken much more serious than years ago when it was active. And honestly due to my work experience irl think I could bring something to the table with this particular community team; even if it be behind the scenes. Again I’d prefer to see a turnaround and proper actions towards new user reach introduced rather than just disbanding the team. That is why I applied when I heard they were thinking of complete removal. I apologize that 90% of our interaction has been solely in the Spam Forum.

 

[Flipz]

But I let you sit their and call me all sorts of names and your usage of the word scammer instead of scanner. I let that fly because if that’s what gets you off at night so be it. Don’t act like we have a happy go lucky past, as you’re the perpetrator in this case and have hounded me for the last few months for no apparent reason.

Present proof? Because now it seems you're spreading false information. Not the first time either.

 

[Gun]

as @Jason has stated, it seems as though you have received a detailed list of things you MAY need to improve upon. I understand that you may not be happy with the outcome but if you work on those bulleted points listed above, there is certainly a spot for you among the teams and whatnot.

Also not sure if you are aware but targeting individuals as often as you do would give you uncanny results such as this. Looks like you need to brush up on your 'People' skills, as your activity is there.

Just to be clear on this one, spam forum is now being used against individuals outside of that section? Because if you wish to speak about particular sections of the forum I will gladly do so level headedly. But pulling my involvement in the Spam forum or Discord(SF) into decision making has not been allowed in the past, why is it being utilized regularly on people now? Need a clear answer because clearly it won’t be a problem with me alone.

 

To be clear here; the area of discussion is not about me. It is about how @BEAST and the PR team conduct their vetting process.

I think some of the information posted above sheds light on the fact that you have someone with zero leadership skills running the show. And that has only allowed the community team to fall deeper into the abyss.

Please provide evidence behind your claims. I’ve had the team for more or less a month 1/2, we have pushed out a successful event that’s currently running & have another event ready to execute with the approval of PR team to stay.
So I’m not sure where you are getting you information from.
I think YOU are running the community team into the ground by slamming the team with false narratives, you’ve not supported the team in no means, and if you’re looking for somewhere to start, I linked it above “what would you like to see from the PR team”

Once again Gun if you can’t get this through your thick skull. The team has a vote & my vote doesn’t count more than anyone else’s.

 

[Gun]

Please provide evidence behind your claims. I’ve had the team for more or less a month 1/2, we have pushed out a successful event that’s currently running & have another event ready to execute with the approval of PR team to stay.
So I’m not sure where you are getting you information from.
I think YOU are running the community team into the ground by slamming the team with false narratives, you’ve not supported the team in no means, and if you’re looking for somewhere to start, I linked it above “what would you like to see from the PR team”

Once again Gun if you can’t get this through your thick skull. The team has a vote & my vote doesn’t count more than anyone else’s.

How many times do I have to say that you don’t know how to interpret feedback? It appears any negative feedback you receive you just deflect rather than using it to fuel change.

It is YOUR vetting process. You continue to say it is a 3 person operation and take no responsibility that it is YOUR TEAM. You are the leader. I supplied a reasonable application and you denied it on the basis of Spam forum talk and a false number of infractions that you failed to validate.

All that you did last night was attempt to tell me that I am not involved in the community because I didn’t partake in the PR Referral event which is a load of horse shit. I will show you screenshots of my involvement in previous community events that I chose not to post/submit to allow someone else to win the $25 or $35 prizes on them. You take everything at face value and take everything as a personal attack.