I understand that as a DNT rank it's pretty cut and dry. Do not trade.
However, I have a question to trading offsite. Obviously other sites aren't affiliated with Sythe and it likely isn't an issue as the DNT applies to sythe.org. Recently though I came across a discord channel that's advertised all over sythe. This channel is a hub for sythe and conducting trades. Would the DNT trade apply there?
The DNT system is an alternative to permanent bans on Sythe.org.
Under this new system users who would have previously received a permanent ban for an offence on sythe.org will now generally receive a DNT rank anda temporary ban instead. When the temporary ban expires they will be left with just the DNT rank.
You should not attempt to trade with any DNT user. If a DNT user attempts to trade with you, you should report the user.
What DNT is:
DNT is a more severe version of the TWC rank.
DNT users cannot PM other users.
DNT users cannot view or post in any market.
DNT users cannot view or post in any dicing section.
DNT users cannot display any ranks or miniranks except the DNT rank which they cannot hide.
DNT users are encouraged to repay any outstanding debts they have and attempt to pardon through a streamlined process.
DNT users will receive further temporary bans for attempting to trade with ban lengths proportional to how many warnings they have been given.
The logic behind DNT:
In most parts of the world punishment, restitution (repaying) and protection of others are separated.
In our case:
A temporary ban is a punishment.
Repayment of others is necessary to rejoin the market (through a pardon).
DNT is for the protection of others.
Once punishment (ban period) for an offence has been served it is finalized and the punishment is complete.
DNT is not a punishment, it is for the protection of others.
After ban period is served the debt becomes a civil debt just like every other legal system.
Restitution (repayment of the debt) is still required to rejoin the market.
Serious indictable crimes are still permanently banable.
Reasons for implementing DNT:
Criminals who use this site will ban evade despite our best efforts to stop them.
Hardline permanent bans do not result in a better outcome for victims: Either the criminals continue to ban evade or they use another forum entirely, either way they are much less likely to repay under a hardline system.
DNT encourages people to pardon because they can reintegrate first into the community -- regaining limited access to their account provides an on-going incentive to repay.
DNT acknowledges that people make mistakes and can change.
DNT acknowledges that people should not be continually punished for past mistakes; that punishment is finite and once served should not be served again for the same event (double jeopardy)
DNT allows the community spirit to continue while debts are being repaid.
DNT means that guests / new users seeing our site for the first time won't be faced with 90% banned users in any random thread.
DNT means that friend groups are not split up (for example one your friends is banned) thus encouraging overall activity and better community cohesion. This will encourage new users to join and help to grow the site.
I am talking about a offsite discord server. If that's against the rules then maybe the DNT rules should be updated to express that as it's not clear here.
I already read the rules more than once. That's the first place I went, and if I had seen a answer I would not have made this post to waste your time.
So if you aren’t sure either can you please give me some advise? I’m trying hard here man. Don’t want to break any rules or step on any toes. If I traded on say osbot it wouldn’t affect me here. How is this any different?
As far as I can tell, most of the big trading discords out there, atleast Trade Bungalow and Trading HQ affiliate themselves with Sythe because before conducting a said trade, members will proceed with a Sythe PM confirmation. Furthermore, some servers have their own custom ranks such as "Trade with caution, Sythe verified, etc" and really reflects the way Sythe is because members over there use their Sythe vouches, their respective Sythe threads and most importantly their Sythe reputations. You will most likely get hit with one of those ranks since you're a DNT on Sythe, however I'd say it's up to the respective discord Staff members if they allow you to trade on their servers or not. I don't think Sythe should start dictating if x user is allowed to trade on x discord server as Staff already has enough stuff to deal with naturally.
My personal opinion is that as long as you don't use any Sythe related arguments/assets to boost/solidify your trades ie old vouches, sales, etc. you should be allowed to trade because in the end, discord remains optional and in no way we force users to use the application.
You'll be marked as a DNT on any server in which I have access to manage roles.
Most user's opt to verifying themselves on Sythe, by sending a PM with certain instructions. They then receive a "Sythe verified" role. If users don't do this, they do not receive any ranking or in some servers automatically receive "unverified Sythe user"
While I cannot control you trading or not on Discord servers, since you are DNT on Sythe, you will therefore receive a special rank in all of the most common discord servers and it will make it extremely difficult to conduct "trades"
If anyone is thinking to bypass this, good luck. We have an all star team ready to protect traders from fraud. We cannot guarantee that scams will not occur, but traders are constantly reminded to receive a Sythe PM before proceeding with trades.
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